MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[bulldogalum]

unfortunately, this poll doesn't allow me to choose "most of the above."

[realist]

ES:  Seating wise things are in a bit more turmoil than normal this year.  There are some season ticket holders in the area that you mention.  Strange as it sounds I have heard of Calvin fans getting tickets for "friends" from Hope to get in, and vice versa. Go figure.
I have no problem with Hope at #4.  Just makes the target that much bigger.  
Unlike some Calvin fans I don't think another 2 minutes would have done anything but allowed Hope to build it's margin.  I still marvel at the 3 of 11 at the charity stripe.  In fact if Hope hits it's normal percentage on free throws the entire complex of the game changes.

[dumezrules]

Even as a Calvin fan, I think it was very appropriate for the Hope fans to storm the court following their victory this past Saturday.  Anytime you can defeat a more talented team, a rushing of the floor is in order.

Already looking forward to February 20.  Even more so, looking forward to March 1.  You ain't seen nothin yet!

Why so confident?  Because there were two distinct things I observed about Hope.
1) positive...MVH was awesome and is a force to be reckoned with!
2) negative...your guards are too slow!
It will be easier for Calvin to learn to defend MVH than it will be for your guards to get quicker.

Like last year, Hope hosts MIAA tournament and Calvin (a team that plays it's best in February) wins it.

too slow???  didnt Reimink guard Griffin the whole game?  He's no speed demon....I also think Hope doesnt really care if Smith shoots 25 times the next game.....he's quicker but not really a threat to score consistently with someone near him.....

I didnt see any Calvin threats except for Mantel inside....their 5th player hurts them alot.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I also don't think speed is a problem for a team that is averaging 12.44 steals per game.  Either they have more speed than one might think, or they are compensating for it pretty well.

[Erm Schmigget]

Saying that one team will prevail over another for reasons that were just proven false or immaterial is silly.  Saying that a team that just lost on their home floor will exact revenge in the rematch as the visitor is pure conjecture.

But silliness and conjecture are FUN!   

Keep it coming, and thanks for the laughs!   

[realist]

drules:  Sadly you have been able to pinpoint Calvin's most serious problem.  Engelsma or Veltema or Zoerhof or Koetsier or some other forward has to be inside to take some pressure off Mantel.  That is one of the reasons I am not a fan of the 3 guard offense as it hurts Calvin too much inside esp. rebounding.  Calvin did not even attempt to play a physical game.  None of Hope's guards shot a free throw.  What's up with that?  All that said I still think Calvin actually played a better game than Hope did considering all the talent available to each team.     Like some other posters have said it is no sin to lose to a better team, and IMHO Hope made that point.  However, I agree with the Hope posters that the team that played Sat. won't last long come March. 

[sac]

Its repeatedly being said Hope beat the better team Saturday.  So the question becomes, why is the better team only 9-7?

[northb]

drules:  Sadly you have been able to pinpoint Calvin's most serious problem.  Engelsma or Veltema or Zoerhof or Koetsier or some other forward has to be inside to take some pressure off Mantel.  That is one of the reasons I am not a fan of the 3 guard offense as it hurts Calvin too much inside esp. rebounding.  Calvin did not even attempt to play a physical game.  None of Hope's guards shot a free throw.  What's up with that?  All that said I still think Calvin actually played a better game than Hope did considering all the talent available to each team.     Like some other posters have said it is no sin to lose to a better team, and IMHO Hope made that point.  However, I agree with the Hope posters that the team that played Sat. won't last long come March. 

Its repeatedly being said Hope lost to the better team Saturday.  So the question becomes, why is the better team only 9-7?

I think Realist's point was that considering their level of talent (inferior), Calvin did well to stay in the game with a team with Hope's level of talent (superior).

[hope1]

Its repeatedly being said Hope beat the better team Saturday.  So the question becomes, why is the better team only 9-7?
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SAC  that is great  why calvin is 9-7   they better be looking toward  tri state not hope 1game at a time

[sac]

drules:  Sadly you have been able to pinpoint Calvin's most serious problem.  Engelsma or Veltema or Zoerhof or Koetsier or some other forward has to be inside to take some pressure off Mantel.  That is one of the reasons I am not a fan of the 3 guard offense as it hurts Calvin too much inside esp. rebounding.  Calvin did not even attempt to play a physical game.  None of Hope's guards shot a free throw.  What's up with that?  All that said I still think Calvin actually played a better game than Hope did considering all the talent available to each team.     Like some other posters have said it is no sin to lose to a better team, and IMHO Hope made that point.  However, I agree with the Hope posters that the team that played Sat. won't last long come March. 

Its repeatedly being said Hope lost to the better team Saturday.  So the question becomes, why is the better team only 9-7?

I think Realist's point was that considering their level of talent (inferior), Calvin did well to stay in the game with a team with Hope's level of talent (superior).

Wasn't necessarily directed at Realist, I liked his post.

[hopehoopfan]

drules:  Sadly you have been able to pinpoint Calvin's most serious problem.  Engelsma or Veltema or Zoerhof or Koetsier or some other forward has to be inside to take some pressure off Mantel.  That is one of the reasons I am not a fan of the 3 guard offense as it hurts Calvin too much inside esp. rebounding.  Calvin did not even attempt to play a physical game.  None of Hope's guards shot a free throw.  What's up with that?  All that said I still think Calvin actually played a better game than Hope did considering all the talent available to each team.     Like some other posters have said it is no sin to lose to a better team, and IMHO Hope made that point.  However, I agree with the Hope posters that the team that played Sat. won't last long come March. 

Its repeatedly being said Hope lost to the better team Saturday.  So the question becomes, why is the better team only 9-7?

I think Realist's point was that considering their level of talent (inferior), Calvin did well to stay in the game with a team with Hope's level of talent (superior).

Wasn't necessarily directed at Realist, I liked his post.

I don't see how anyone can honestly say that Calvin had the better team. Outside of MVH and Wolfe's games, no one really stood out. Had even a few others from the team had a good game, and had Hope done better from the charity stripe, this game isn't even close!

[wiz]

Its repeatedly being said Hope beat the better team Saturday.  So the question becomes, why is the better team only 9-7?

Because they don't have GVW to mentor them along and show them how to become a national runnerup.

[wiz]

It seems as though wizardry is aptly named, as he's working some magic with the facts right now.

 Calvin won the final game of the series last year ..................

More wizardry with the facts. 

Dateline Aurora, Illinois...........Hope 80 Calvin 64

Who is twisting the facts now?  The point was about DVS.  I think a guy named Cramer took the game at Aurora into his own hands.  The mediocre performance of the slow guy produced 7 points, a turnover, and a sparkling 33% shooting pace.

[flash96]

I was watching the WGVU broadcast with their terrible annoucers.  The main announcer, Brent Ashcraft I believe, said that Hope came in as "a slight underdog."  I wonder what Brent Ashcraft was smoking before the game?  If you just look at win-loss records Hope was the favorite.  Granted Hope doesn't have a winning record at Knollcrest, is that what made them the underdog in Brent's opinion?

Another thing it would be nice if WGVU got the color guy from the host school.  Maybe they are doing that since Phelps is a Calvin grad.  Any ideas?

[wiz]

Another speedy defender
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6CjOOXmkJ8