MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Erm Schmigget]

Perfect time for a teeth chattering back-screen if you ask me.

That's probably at least partly why Ty was subbed out before play resumed.  In this case cooler heads prevailed, but I really think that Tri-State player was ready to throw down right then and there.  I can understand him being frustrated last night, but he was ready to go!

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Ok, lets everybody take a deep breath and re-read the last page of comments and what I said within that context. I did NOT say that DVS and Ty share the same personality or that whatever Ty said or did not say or did or did not do makes him a poor sport. I don't think that is the case at all.

First, realist said.

It seems every year or two a player comes into the MIAA that opposing fans just learn to dislike or needle if opportunity presents.  The better players all seem to learn quickly the best thing to do is let your playing do your talking for you. 

Within that context I noted that DVS has been that player that opposing fans enjoy "needling" over the last few years.

I then suggested that with DVS about to graduate Ty might be the player that is needled in the future. Why you may ask would I make such a statement?

First, and most importantly is that he is a very good player and fans tend to needle good players. Second, the comments from many in the last 24 hours have focused on the "incident" between Ty and the other player. Third, opposing fans tend to dislike players from good teams. Hope has been one of the top dogs in the MIAA for the last 30 years, therefore, it stands to reason that MIAA fans are more likely to dislike a Hope player than say someone from Alma (no offense Scots, you just happen to be in last place right now).

In no way am I or did I suggest that Ty and DVS are the same player.

Finally, I have no problem with a player that has a little bit of a swagger. I grew up in Chicago in the 90s. Just like Flash96's story MJ would routinely tell a player what he was going to do then drop 40 on them. If you back it up, I have no problem with a little swagger and talk. Just make sure its within reason.

[Erm Schmigget]

I still think Ty will be too quiet and unassuming overall to follow DVS into the "most picked-on" role.  That's where the apples to rutabagas comes in.

[northb]

Hope 93
Tri-State 60

Great game from the Dutchmen. Hard to find fault when you shoot 60% from beyond the arc! They only shot 55% from the floor overall. (But the 60% from the FT line won't cut it. That's two bad FT shooting games in a row.)

One stat that sticks out to me other than those amazing stats above were MVH's 8 assists. Great to see your best player spread the ball around like that.

Maybe they should step back 4-5 feet   

[northb]

The MIAA has officially become too lopsided in Hope's favor.  They are so good that now their fans can't suffice to argue with the other team's fans, but now they are arguing with themselves.






just kidding folks!!

[sac]

I'm kind of amazed, maybe I shouldn't be, to see a whole page dedicated to an incident that was so serious the radio guys took all of 3 seconds describing.

Honestly, question our own fans rushing the court Saturday, question our own players today. 


Seriously, exasperating.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

I'm kind of amazed, maybe I shouldn't be, to see a whole page dedicated to an incident that was so serious the radio guys took all of 3 seconds describing.

Honestly, question our own fans rushing the court Saturday, question our own players today. 


Seriously, exasperating.

It's amazing that the Hope players don't wilt under the intense media scrutiny of the d3hoops message boards and West Michigan media.  Have we uncovered the real reason that no national championship banners hang in DeVos?

[Erm Schmigget]

The MIAA has officially become too lopsided in Hope's favor.  They are so good that now their fans can't suffice to argue with the other team's fans, but now they are arguing with themselves.






just kidding folks!!

Theoretical +k to you, northb!  (I guess 100 posts doesn't earn you the right to applaud/smite for real.)

[Erm Schmigget]

I'm kind of amazed, maybe I shouldn't be, to see a whole page dedicated to an incident that was so serious the radio guys took all of 3 seconds describing.

Honestly, question our own fans rushing the court Saturday, question our own players today. 


Seriously, exasperating.

It's amazing that the Hope players don't wilt under the intense media scrutiny of the d3hoops message boards and West Michigan media.  Have we uncovered the real reason that no national championship banners hang in DeVos?

Seeing that you're new, go ahead and get your digs in re: Hope's cheerleaders, DVS, MVH, GVW, etc. too.  And whatever else typical Calvin fans like to harp on.      I'm sure the CMAS (Calvin Mutual Appreciation Society) will shower you with all the karma they can dish on one day...and maybe again the next day.  Just as you requested.   

[Happy Calvin Guy]

I'm kind of amazed, maybe I shouldn't be, to see a whole page dedicated to an incident that was so serious the radio guys took all of 3 seconds describing.

Honestly, question our own fans rushing the court Saturday, question our own players today. 


Seriously, exasperating.

It's amazing that the Hope players don't wilt under the intense media scrutiny of the d3hoops message boards and West Michigan media.  Have we uncovered the real reason that no national championship banners hang in DeVos?

Seeing that you're new, go ahead and get your digs in re: Hope's cheerleaders, DVS, MVH, GVW, etc. too.  And whatever else typical Calvin fans like to harp on.      I'm sure the CMAS (Calvin Mutual Appreciation Society) will shower you with all the karma they can dish on one day...and maybe again the next day.  Just as you requested.   

Yes I'm a proud Knight!  But I thought it was clear in my rookie attempt at posting that I have a lot of respect for Hope.  What an environment DeVos is...great student section, community commitment, passion, etc.  I wish Calvin could have that too but we don't right now.  And I don't know how I could rip on GVW--the record and commitment to the school speak for themselves.  So while I won't get petty about cheerleaders (?) and other non issues I would like to reserve the right to give a good natured ribbing once in awhile about the 2-0 count on nat'l titles.  This is a basketball forum and that is the ultimate goal isn't it?  But I know that's old news and seemingly a sore spot with some so I'll restrain myself and focus on the season at hand.  Go Calvin!

[sac]

At the halfway point, I thought I'd take a crack at an all-MIAA team.

First Team
Desmond Young, Adrian
Tony Benford, Tri-State
Marcus VanderHeide, Hope
Tyler Wolfe, Hope
Caleb Veldhouse, Calvin
Derrek Griffin, Calvin
Brandon McClary, Olivet
Mat Kellogg, Kalamazoo

Second Team
John Mantel, Calvin
Ryan Klein, Hope
Lamar Cardenas, Adrian
Ryan Gallus, Adrian
Henry McCain, Kalamazoo
Brandon Way, Olivet
Michael McClary, Olivet
Drew Yancy, Albion

(Really very difficult to put the second group together, a few guys right on the edge who could move in to the second team really easily.)

MVP
My first half MVP is going to go to Marcus VanderHeide, who's averageing 16.4 and 8 rebounds.  Other players have similar numbers, but I don't think Hope's 7-0 without the kinds of efforts he's put in this year.  In my opinion he's the unquestioned team leader for Hope this year.

Freshman of the Year---Michael McClary, Olivet----Kind of wish you could give this to both of the McClary's,  Brandon McClary would get top newcomer if there was such a thing.  Special mention to Jordan Redditt, Alma, who's haveing a fine debut season for the Scots.  Ty Tanis, Hope is also off to a great early start as a 3point sniper.

Coach of the Year---I don't have one yet, still a ways to go, GVW is probably the leader at the turn, but a real solid second half could sway things the other way.


Couple other players I'd like to mention, who probably won't make a first or second team all-MIAA at years end but are haveing strong season's thus far.

DJ Mocini, Albion--he's been very solid at a position that was trouble for Albion a year ago.  Always nice to see Sr's excel in their final go around.

Ian Weber, Adrian--leads the league in rebounding at 10 per game, thats big for an undersized Adrian squad.

Dustin Smith, Calvin--Outstanding 3 point numbers, maybe he should shoot more.  In an offense that will revolve around Griffin, Veldhouse and Mantel he's an overlooked player

Matt Veltema, Calvin--a 44% 3point shooter off the bench is a nice thing to have

Josh Shattuck, Alma--deserves mention as one of the top 3 point shooters in the league on fearless 3 point shooting team.

[mjfasteenwolf]

I'm kind of amazed, maybe I shouldn't be, to see a whole page dedicated to an incident that was so serious the radio guys took all of 3 seconds describing.

Honestly, question our own fans rushing the court Saturday, question our own players today. 


Seriously, exasperating.

It's amazing that the Hope players don't wilt under the intense media scrutiny of the d3hoops message boards and West Michigan media.  Have we uncovered the real reason that no national championship banners hang in DeVos?

HCG you may be new to the message board, but there is in fact national championship banners hanging in the Devos.

[mjfasteenwolf]

was it classy for Wolfe to pump his fist after hitting a 3 on Saturday?  Griffin yelling after the reverse layup to start the h-c game?  Hope team and fans whooping it up each time dan holt does anything?  Unless a kid verbally or physically. (push ,trip,etc...)I think we can cut a kid some slack. I could be wrong, but I did not see any member of the coaching staff talk to him after the incident.  More importantly... No let down tonight!!!

Wolfe pumping his fist and Griffen yelling were not near as unclassy as Tanis continues to be almost each time he hits a three. I love Hope basketball, and usually the team is full of classy players, but each time Ty hits a three he feels the need to hold his follow through, that gets old real fast. Then you mix that in with his overdone jawing last night after the 5th three and I can understand why he got pushed in the face, I would've done the same to a freshmen who was taunting me like that. The incidents you are speaking of concerning Griffen and Wolfe both happened at very intense points in a huge rivalry game, Tanis' jawing happened while Hope was on the verge of blowing TSU out. I don't think anyone can rip on Wolfe for any emotion he shows on the court, he has been nothing but classy, and deserved to celebrate at the moment he did against Calvin. Tanis needs to keep shooting the ball, and stop worrying so much if everyone noticed that he made it or not. Just get back down the court and play defense, the press will take care of letting everyone know how many 3 pointers you have made.

[Civic Minded]

I'm kind of amazed, maybe I shouldn't be, to see a whole page dedicated to an incident that was so serious the radio guys took all of 3 seconds describing.

Honestly, question our own fans rushing the court Saturday, question our own players today. 


Seriously, exasperating.

It's amazing that the Hope players don't wilt under the intense media scrutiny of the d3hoops message boards and West Michigan media.  Have we uncovered the real reason that no national championship banners hang in DeVos?

Seeing that you're new, go ahead and get your digs in re: Hope's cheerleaders, DVS, MVH, GVW, etc. too.  And whatever else typical Calvin fans like to harp on.      I'm sure the CMAS (Calvin Mutual Appreciation Society) will shower you with all the karma they can dish on one day...and maybe again the next day.  Just as you requested.   

Yes I'm a proud Knight!  But I thought it was clear in my rookie attempt at posting that I have a lot of respect for Hope.  What an environment DeVos is...great student section, community commitment, passion, etc.  I wish Calvin could have that too but we don't right now.  And I don't know how I could rip on GVW--the record and commitment to the school speak for themselves.  So while I won't get petty about cheerleaders (?) and other non issues I would like to reserve the right to give a good natured ribbing once in awhile about the 2-0 count on nat'l titles.  This is a basketball forum and that is the ultimate goal isn't it?  But I know that's old news and seemingly a sore spot with some so I'll restrain myself and focus on the season at hand.  Go Calvin!

I thought your quip was funny, HCG (you meant it to be funny, yes?).  You do bring up a good point though.  Players and parents do read this forum, and many have learned not to read it because of crass comments (not directed in any way at HCG).  

Could we please all just keep that in mind?  Sure, comment on the game, comment on a play, but unless you've introduced yourself face to face with the player or parent and tried to get to know who they really are, let's leave the excessively hateful character judgements out of it.   If it's too mean spirited, hateful, untrue or slimey to say to them personally, just don't say it.  Fair enough??

[Stinger]

I'm kind of amazed, maybe I shouldn't be, to see a whole page dedicated to an incident that was so serious the radio guys took all of 3 seconds describing.

Honestly, question our own fans rushing the court Saturday, question our own players today. 


Seriously, exasperating.

It's amazing that the Hope players don't wilt under the intense media scrutiny of the d3hoops message boards and West Michigan media.  Have we uncovered the real reason that no national championship banners hang in DeVos?

HCG you may be new to the message board, but there is in fact national championship banners hanging in the Devos.

Not that are pertinent to this board.