MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Mr. Ypsi]

Wow!  Extra innings again!  After 9, Adrian 6, defending national champ Kean 6.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Bulldogs win!  Bulldogs win!!  7-6 in 12 innings.

14 innings yesterday, 12 innings today - hope their pitching is DEEP!

[Ralph Turner]

Bulldogs win!  Bulldogs win!!  7-6 in 12 innings.

14 innings yesterday, 12 innings today - hope their pitching is DEEP!

Th Adrian starter only went 4+ innings today.  He might be able to come back.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Bulldogs win!  Bulldogs win!!  7-6 in 12 innings.

14 innings yesterday, 12 innings today - hope their pitching is DEEP!

Th Adrian starter only went 4+ innings today.  He might be able to come back.

True, but the reliever went 8 (yielding all of 1 hit)!  Unless he is bionic, I'm afraid his series is over.

[bulldogalum]

I'm afraid we'll need deep pitching, many runs or both to last much longer, but what a couple of games the last two days, and what a win today.

[Pat Coleman]

There's an MIAA baseball page that could use this conversation.

[realist]

academic ethics, or athletic ethics?   If they graduate that is fine, but if you win that is what is really important.  No moral high ground if all you want to do is win, no matter how you achieve your goal.   Isn't this exactly what AQ is doing?

[sac]

Realist, I've always respected you and your contributions to this site..........but you've gone completely off the rails here.

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The holiday tournament Calvin is in at Defiance has Calvin opening with Geneva and Defiance playing Rockford.

Geneva advertises itself as the birthplace of College Basketball--interesting.  Their website says they're NAIA and competeing in the American MidEast Conference, which is sort of funny because they were in the Presidents Athletic Conference.  Somewhere along the way I thought they were a D3 provisional.  This maybe an in-region game for Calvin.  They went 14-14 last year, but were beaten twice by Bethany in the 15 point range.  Bethany didn't impress me down at Capital, maybe a distant 4th or 5th in last years MIAA.

Rockford is just awfull, but at least D3.  1-24 last year in the NathCon (Aurora, Benedictine, etc) and don't lose anyone from that team.

Defiance was 17-8 last year and won the regular season Hearland Conference, they graduate just 2 players and return their All-American big man candidate Petteway, nice matchup with Mantel.  But they're breaking in a new head coach.  Defiance also kicks off the year at Albion's tournament.  They have a pretty good schedule which includes Heidelburg, Ohio Wesleyan, Ohio Northern, Hanover and possible games with Albion and DePauw.  They might be well tested or have a pretty unimpressive record when they play Calvin.  Either way a good non-conference game..........should it happen.

Calvin should come out of Defiance with 2 in-region games if Geneva counts, and at least one vs an MIAA challenger comparable roster........which is better than beating up on Marygrove and Purdue Calumet.

[Mr. Ypsi]

There's an MIAA baseball page that could use this conversation.

True that.  And Bulldogalum and I have both moved over there.  But it is lonely trying to resurrect a 'dead' board - Let's talk MIAA has 6 or 7 times as many posts as all other MIAA boards put together!

[Ralph Turner]

I believe that Geneva will be second year provisional in 2008-09, and therefore the game is not "in-region".

[Gregory Sager]

Geneva advertises itself as the birthplace of College Basketball--interesting.

... and inaccurate. The sport of basketball was invented at the YMCA Training Institute in Springfield, MA in 1891 by one of the Institute's instructors, Dr. James Naismith. The YMCA Training Institute still exists today, as Springfield College (a D3 member, no less). Springfield College really deserves the title of "birthplace of college basketball", since it's a college and it's the place where the sport itself was invented.

(Incidentally, volleyball was invented four years later and eight miles north of Springfield in Holyoke, MA by one of Naismith's students, William Morgan, but that's another story.)

Geneva's argument is that it is the first college or university to play an organized basketball game involving a team that represented the school against an outside opponent. Here is the page on the Geneva website in which it makes its case. However, Vanderbilt makes a counterclaim that it is the first college or university to have a student team representing it play an outside opponent; as was the case with Geneva, the game involving Vandy was played against a team representing the local YMCA, since (as one might guess, given the origin of the sport at the training ground for YMCA instructors) basketball was primarily taught, played, and promoted by YMCAs across the country in its early years. Vanderbilt's case is presented here. Given the archival evidence in Vandy's favor, and the fact that the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield doesn't recognize Geneva's claim, methinks that the assertion put forth by Calvin's opening-night opponent next season is spurious.

[tniem]

academic ethics, or athletic ethics?   If they graduate that is fine, but if you win that is what is really important.  No moral high ground if all you want to do is win, no matter how you achieve your goal.  

Since the last time I thought a post was aimed at another school, you were very upset that I read into things in that way - I will follow up so I can ascertain exactly what you mean.

Realist, obviously no one can disagree with the exact posting within the quote above (other than the Aquinas bit so I removed it from this discussion).  So the question is - are you simply stating that ethically the way you accomplish a goal is important or are you suggesting that any school in particular is not acting ethically?

[gohope]

Bummer. Game just over.

Adrian 11
WWW  13


Mega Karma to the Adrian College Baseball Team on a really fine season and an even more spetacular showing at the DIII Baseball Tourney!!

[northb]

northb, are you suggesting that those supporting transfers are making a "transparent dig" at other schools in the conference rather than making a point about academic ethics?

No.  That would be incendiary, and I would never want to stir up any animosity between schools.     My suggestion is that the post was self-referentially incoherent.  The same reason for not lumping all transfers together is the same reason for not lumping all posters together. 

I'm just sayin....

[sac]

Geneva advertises itself as the birthplace of College Basketball--interesting.

... and inaccurate. The sport of basketball was invented at the YMCA Training Institute in Springfield, MA in 1891 by one of the Institute's instructors, Dr. James Naismith. The YMCA Training Institute still exists today, as Springfield College (a D3 member, no less). Springfield College really deserves the title of "birthplace of college basketball", since it's a college and it's the place where the sport itself was invented.

(Incidentally, volleyball was invented four years later and eight miles north of Springfield in Holyoke, MA by one of Naismith's students, William Morgan, but that's another story.)

Geneva's argument is that it is the first college or university to play an organized basketball game involving a team that represented the school against an outside opponent. Here is the page on the Geneva website in which it makes its case. However, Vanderbilt makes a counterclaim that it is the first college or university to have a student team representing it play an outside opponent; as was the case with Geneva, the game involving Vandy was played against a team representing the local YMCA, since (as one might guess, given the origin of the sport at the training ground for YMCA instructors) basketball was primarily taught, played, and promoted by YMCAs across the country in its early years. Vanderbilt's case is presented here. Given the archival evidence in Vandy's favor, and the fact that the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield doesn't recognize Geneva's claim, methinks that the assertion put forth by Calvin's opening-night opponent next season is spurious.

Told ya it was interesting.