MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[realist]

Tniem:  What I was trying to point out, and perhaps did it poorly or in an ill-advised manner was the tendency of some posters to attempt to spin an action by coaches (or athletic departments) as motivated by academics.  My question really would be:  Do Calvin, Hope, AQ, CU et.al. accept and recruit all potential transfers as willingly and aggressively as they do those who have athletic talents? 
IMHO Making a decision for the benefit of a specific sports team, and than trying to cover it under the umbrella of "academics" is rationalization.  One might get themselves to buy into this, but that doesn't mean we all have must.

[Pat Coleman]

Recruiting transfers in athletics is considered tampering, so I doubt that is prevalent.

[realist]

Pat:  I knew a school was not allowed to go after another schools student athletes.  However, once the transferree , announces their intention, gets proper releases, and then initiates contact with the new school I assummed they (the new school) could pursue that individual as aggressively as they saw fit.   How accomodating a school might be in terms of facilitating a rapid acceptance, waving normal procedures, and accepting previous credits could go a long way towards swaying a person who has indicated a desire to transfer.  Perhaps "recruiting" in the normal sense is not the best word, but the consequence is the same as with a typical recruit.
When Dustin Smith left Hope to attend Calvin it had to occur with Hope's approval, and obviously Calvin's acceptance.  Did Calvin "recruit" him, no, but they did accept him.  Would the process have gone as smoothly for any other Hope or CU or AQ transferee is my point.

[hoopdreams]

I have been involved in the recruiting process and have the opportunity to look at it from 3 perspectives- the athlete, the parent of an athlete, and the coach of the athlete being recruited.  There are too many stories to share, especially recently, that would blow you away.  There are coaches and programs that follow by the book, there are programs that function in the "gray" area, and there are programs that blantantly disregard rules.

A great example would be a recent HS graduate who commited to a D1 program.  After a disappointing season, and his coach being fired, he started receiving/is receiving almost daily phone calls from a D2 powerhouse, even though the player in question has not left or been released from his current program/scholarship.  I don't know the rules pertaining to contact between 1 and 2, but some would find this practice to be a little shady.

Its been a while, is it grey or gray?

[Flying Dutch Fan]

realist - I have to wonder at this point if there is some specific example that you can share to support your position.  If not, then I have to wonder why continue pursuing the topic?  Please know that I respect your input, and am really just trying to find out the root of your issue with transfers, but it's beginning to sound like sour grapes. 

[Gregory Sager]

I don't know the rules pertaining to contact between 1 and 2, but some would find this practice to be a little shady.

Transfer contact rules for D1 and D2 are the same as they are for D3.

Its been a while, is it grey or gray?

Gray is American English. Grey is British English. (Canadians, who have a tendency to use American spellings for some words and British spellings for others, follow the Brits on this one.) The exception is the first syllable of greyhound, which uses the British spelling even in the U.S.

[goodknight]

I see that sac has described himself as (in exile).

I had thought sac was largely (in exhaustible).

And sometimes (in absentia).

Occasionally (in comprehensible), though no more so than some of his Calvin counterparts, I rush to add. 

Let's hope (forgive the verb, O Lord) that he finds himself (in theholeinregulation) regularly this summer season.

[HopeConvert]

According to today's Grand Rapids Press, Kyle Hoffmaster, a 6'5" center from Hopkins, has committed to Hope. He averaged 16 points and 10 rebounds per game last year.

"Hoffmaster said he was not given any promises by Van Wieren, and that is fine. 'I wasn't told I'll be playing on varsity in my first year,' Hoffmaster said. 'In fact, I am expecting to be on JV.'"

[sac]

I see that sac has described himself as (in exile).

Just a state of mind.

I had thought sac was largely (in exhaustible).

I wish.

Occasionally (in comprehensible),

Guilty

Let's hope (forgive the verb, O Lord) that he finds himself (in theholeinregulation) regularly this summer season.

Very doubtfull, I'd settle for verticle more than horizontal.  Pain free would be nice too.

[sac]

According to today's Grand Rapids Press, Kyle Hoffmaster, a 6'5" center from Hopkins, has committed to Hope. He averaged 16 points and 10 rebounds per game last year.

"Hoffmaster said he was not given any promises by Van Wieren, and that is fine. 'I wasn't told I'll be playing on varsity in my first year,' Hoffmaster said. 'In fact, I am expecting to be on JV.'"

Hoffmaster was an honorable mention all-state football player for Hopkins, does this article mention anything about him playing football for Hope?

Here's Hoffmasters season stats for basketball (which for some reason are on mlive.com)

http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/player/kyle-hoffmaster/

[sac]

Almost forgot this

http://www.miaa.org/miaaheadlines.html

Welcome aboard Greg!

[hope1]

sac i think the article says noting of  him playing football for hope just basketball is listed then i wonder if greg is still going to for whtc announcing games for hope

[Flying Dutch Fan]

According to today's Grand Rapids Press, Kyle Hoffmaster, a 6'5" center from Hopkins, has committed to Hope. He averaged 16 points and 10 rebounds per game last year.

"Hoffmaster said he was not given any promises by Van Wieren, and that is fine. 'I wasn't told I'll be playing on varsity in my first year,' Hoffmaster said. 'In fact, I am expecting to be on JV.'"

Hoffmaster was an honorable mention all-state football player for Hopkins, does this article mention anything about him playing football for Hope?

Here's Hoffmasters season stats for basketball (which for some reason are on mlive.com)

http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/player/kyle-hoffmaster/

Also see that he is not on the preseason FB roster

[sac]

Olivet's expanding their "commuter tuition" program.  I find this program to be pretty interesting and pretty happy they've included more high schools (especially the obvious one).

http://www.olivetcollege.edu/news/news.php?id=741

No telling how this could affect their athletics down the road, but it sure can't hurt.  It seems this could really help their football recruiting more than anything.  (They've mysteriously included some very good football programs from far away  )

For those to lazy to read it..................the schools now included are 
Albion; Battle Creek Central; Battle Creek Lakeview; Climax-Scotts; Dewitt; East Lansing; Eaton Rapids; Grand Ledge; Harper Creek; Holt; Homer; Jackson; Jackson Lumen Christi; Lakewood; Lansing Catholic Central; Lansing Eastern; Lansing Everett; Lansing Sexton; Lansing Waverly; Maple Valley; Mason; Parma Western; Pennfield; Potterville; Springport; Tekonsha; and Union City.

Not really sure how feasible that 45 minute commute from DeWitt(far north side of Lansing) to Olivet might be?    ...........or for that matter East Lansing to Olivet is quite a haul.  Jackson to Olivet isn't much better, .

[sac]

Here's a sneak peak inside Olivet's new Cutler Athletic Center.

http://www.olivetcollege.edu/construction/events_center/gallery.php

I'm told the volleyball coach is pleased with the indirect lighting, and the floor is supposed to start going in today (Wednesday).



PS  sac (in exile) does not mean, sac (in Olivet).