MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[albionbritfan]

Per a comment from ziggy a couple pages ago, I think it's way too early to be concerned about tournament selection potential, Albion v. Calvin, especially since there is at least one more game to play between the two.  That (or those) will decide who has the edge for a chance not a guarantee to go to the tourney.

And remember, in-region games are the only ones that count in regional rankings and tournament selection.  Albion's loss to TriState, although disappointing, does not factor as TriState is still a provisional NCAA member.

[realist]

Several pages ago I tried to make the point that Crawford is a darn good player, however, his lack of an outside shot makes him, and his team appear one dimensional.  Obviously Calvin, and now Hope have figured out that if you can make life tough inside for Crawford, and also slow down the other Albion players you increase your chances considerably.  To me this says that GVW's scout at the Calvin/Albion game did a good job.  If Crawford had the ability to go outside, and take his coverage with him it changes the difficulty of beating Albion a considerable degree. 

[tniem]

If Calvin beats Hope, but loses to Albion, who hosts the MIAA tournamnet?  Does it go to a coin flip?  Calvin and Hope would have split against each other and Albion and would be 2-0 against all the other teams.

I believe it is a coin flip.  That is what happened a couple years back when the tourney was hosted outside of Holland or GR for the first time.  Hope/Albion tied and had the same record against the third place time.  So a coin flip.  Personally, I am not sure it is going to happen.  If Calvin beats Hope Wednesday, I am pretty sure they will get Albion who is not playing their best basketball right now.

Per a comment from ziggy a couple pages ago, I think it's way too early to be concerned about tournament selection potential, Albion v. Calvin, especially since there is at least one more game to play between the two.  That (or those) will decide who has the edge for a chance not a guarantee to go to the tourney.

Agreed.  Too much will be occuring over the next couple weeks.  I think Hope is probably in pretty good position but Calvin and Albion have some work to do, especially since it is likely they will play twice more. 

And along the same lines, there has been too much worrying by Hope fans on this board since Saturday about regional and national rankings.  At the very least we have a very difficult road game this week and then either Calvin or Albion at home in the conference finals.  And that is best case scenario.  The team needs to be worried about that.  If the team wins out, good things will happen.  If they do not, then who really cares where they were ranked this week.  Let's keep the end goal in perspective and hopefully the players will too.

[kresgekrazy]

A couple things I would like answered this weekend...

I wasn't at the game so

1) did Albion start the game well and when did it turn for the d_ _ _ _men?

2) Where were Garrett Gibbons and Zach Silas - It seems like they have been a big part of the Briton scoring (at least from beyond the arc)  did they shoot well?  Did EVAN HARE play?

3) Is this the H _ _ _ team that we should have seen in the first meeting this year and was Albion playing like H _ _ _ played at Kresge?

4)  How can Terry Malone get a new job in the NFL with the Saints and Jim Herrmann stays the Teflon D-Don with UM's Football team?  Doesn't anyone watch the same games as I do?  I want to fistfight Lloyd Carr.
I watched two plays of the Superbowl yesterday - one was a knee at the end.  This board is all I have left.

Go Brits !!

Nate

[AndersDY]

That Voisin first half dunk was certainly huge momentum-wise, but I don't think it was as in-your-face on Crawford as portrayed because Crawford seemed to be executing a plan to get to halftime without a foul to make sure he wouldn't have to sit. Phillips and VanderHeide had each already taken the ball inside and appeared to get only a hint of defense from Crawford. I had been hoping we'd keep attacking the paint while he stayed a bit tentative on defense and it looked like Voisin saw the same thing. Rather than get between Voisin and the basket, Crawford basically went past for one swipe at the ball so Voisin knew he just needed to go up strong. Regardless, it was nice to see him make a really strong post-player like move.

Crawford certainly was big for Albion up until Hope blew everything open, but Bailey was impressing me all game on defense as well. I had wondered why the only other Albion player I had much memory of wasn't scoring at all, so I guess Immink was taking him out on that end of the floor, but Bailey was dominating on defense as well. I found myself saying things like "sheesh, can they get him off Immink a little?" but as I watched more I realized that Bailey was constantly right in Immink's pocket while always avoiding crossing the line into a foul. I can see how Immink found it frustrating up until the point he finally went to the basket on a mission and started getting his points toward the end of the game. Albion has some pieces of a great team, but may just be missing part of the package. With Crawford and Bailey gone next year, I wonder how big a hit they take as well.

Very happy Saturday in my world once I heard the score from Ohio as well. One step closer to having to clone myself so I can watch a Hope-COW game from both sides of the stands, I can't wait. If Hope can put together the same game in Knollcrest that they had earlier against Calvin, that'll cap quite a great week.

kresge: on 4) I think the problem is that no NFL team is dumb enough to take Herrmann and Lloyd pities the guy too much to give him the boot without other prospects. It's a beautiful system where anyone good enough can leave and if you design a defense that no other team would want, then they'll just have to keep you. I guess it's time to get used to more conversions on 3rd & 15 and the magically disappearing two-score fourth quarter lead.

[dren]

If Calvin beats Hope, but loses to Albion, who hosts the MIAA tournamnet?  Does it go to a coin flip?  Calvin and Hope would have split against each other and Albion and would be 2-0 against all the other teams.

Correct.  Coin flip.

A quick question, if at the end of the regular season, if there is a 3 way tie for first place, who would host the MIAA Tournament?   Would they still use a coin toss or something?

Because all 3 teams share the same loss it would be a coin flip if the season ended today... (they have all one loss to the 1st place team)

To make it easier to understand lets make a hypothetical finish (This can't happen because all 3 must play each other again but bear with me)....say all 3 were 12-2 with Hope losing to both Albion and Kalamazoo(5th place); Albion losing to Calvin and Hope; and Calvin losing to Hope and Tristate (4th place).

All three would be declared MIAA champions
Hope would be 3-1 vs 1st place teams and 2-0 vs 4th place teams and would get the #1 seed.
Calvin would be 3-1 vs 1st place teams and 1-1 vs 4th place teams and would get the #2 seed.
Albion would be 2-2 vs 1st place teams and would be the #3 seed.

[ziggy]

Did anyone else catch some DIII love come across on the ESPN bottom line on Saturday night?

Josh Hinz from Beloit 50 points, 18-27 FG, 36 rebounds

[Pat Coleman]

Here's what I was given today as MIAA tiebreakers:

1) head-to-head
2) compare each team's record against the team highest in the standings and continue down the standings until the tie is broken
3) if there is still a tie, highest ranked team in the lastest NCAA regional rankings
4) if neither team is ranked in regional rankings, a coin flip conducted by the commissioner
 
No. 3 was adopted Dec. 6, 2004

[ziggy]

Here's what I was given today as MIAA tiebreakers:

1) head-to-head
2) compare each team's record against the team highest in the standings and continue down the standings until the tie is broken
3) if there is still a tie, highest ranked team in the lastest NCAA regional rankings
4) if neither team is ranked in regional rankings, a coin flip conducted by the commissioner
 
No. 3 was adopted Dec. 6, 2004

So, Albion is basically out of the race at this point unless of a major upset (Calvin or Hope losing to someone other than each other).  Albion can't be counted out, however, in the conference tournament.

[MIdoubleA]

1) did Albion start the game well and when did it turn for the d_ _ _ _men?

Yes, they did. They were up at least 6-0 before Hope scored. It turned about the time both teams put their second string in. Hope's bench > Albion's bench.

2) Where were Garrett Gibbons and Zach Silas - It seems like they have been a big part of the Briton scoring (at least from beyond the arc) did they shoot well? Did EVAN HARE play?

Gibbons and Silas were both contained pretty well by their respective defenders. I know Silas had at least 6 points (2 three-pointers) taken away from him due to offensive fouls committed by someone else on his team. As for EVAN HARE, check my post (last one) on pg. 125.

3) Is this the H _ _ _ team that we should have seen in the first meeting this year and was Albion playing like H _ _ _ played at Kresge?

Yes, I would say Hope is what you should have seen at Kresge but didn't. I don't think that Albion played as bad at Hope as Hope did at Kresge, but I don't think they played their best either.

4) How can Terry Malone get a new job in the NFL with the Saints and Jim Herrmann stays the Teflon D-Don with UM's Football team? Doesn't anyone watch the same games as I do? I want to fistfight Lloyd Carr.
I watched two plays of the Superbowl yesterday - one was a knee at the end. This board is all I have left.

I have no idea...

[dren]

Here's what I was given today as MIAA tiebreakers:

1) head-to-head
2) compare each team's record against the team highest in the standings and continue down the standings until the tie is broken
3) if there is still a tie, highest ranked team in the lastest NCAA regional rankings
4) if neither team is ranked in regional rankings, a coin flip conducted by the commissioner
 
No. 3 was adopted Dec. 6, 2004

I did not know that, I do think something was needed before the coinflip... but it is putting alot on a vote by a committee

[Pat Coleman]

Seriously -- and a committee that takes unusual things into account.

Some conferences use the NCAA criteria but not the NCAA's rankings. There's a football conference that uses QOWI if necessary as part of the automatic bid tiebreaker. And consider, you're making a tiebreaker decision on Saturday or Sunday, after the end of the conference regular season, but your most recent regional rankings were through the games of the previous Sunday.

If you want to use the regional rankings relevant to your tiebreaker's time frame, you have to wait until Wednesday, or hope the Great Lakes regional chair will give them to you over the phone after Tuesday's national conference call.

[hope1]

the tie breaker wont matter  hope will beat calvin wed night by 10 points i think


pat i wish you were putting the game on d3hoops that would be nice for everyone

[silent_observer]

FYI Josh Hinz of Beloit College..........

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2321311

[ChicagoHopeNut]

New rankings came out. Hope stays at 4 and Augustana jumps ahead of them to 3. Hope had 2 more points than Augustana last week and Augustana has 2 more points this week including a number 1 vote they must have gotten from Witt.

I know these rankings don't mean a lot in the end but how Augustana picked up a #1 vote over Hope while beating Carthage (9-12) by 7. Hope beat Carthage by 14. And beating North Park (4-17). Meanwhile Hope beat the #6 team even if Albion did lose twice last week that was a much bigger win than anything Augustana had. Augustana is a good team, I saw them online at IWU. But this was not the week for someone to give them a first place vote over Wooster, Lawerence, or Hope.