MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

Man, its quiet around here!  T-minus 22:20, and no one has anything to say?   

I listened to Mr. HIC's broadcast of the South Christian/Calvin Christian matchup tonight. David Kool scored 38 and in his spare time guarded Matt Veltema holding him to 10. That's impressive. Maybe there is a Mr. Basketball trophy in Kool's future.

I'm guessing a state of Michigan Mr. Basketball wouldn't be heading to Western Michigan University

It might if the Big 10 school that was recruiting him hadn't dropped him when he blew out his knee last spring.

He's in the same category of Drew Neitzel......almost.

[sac]

Well if Phillips gets to Colly Carlson, thats my generation.

Think about the half season he missed last year, you can add another 150 to 200 points and he'd already be in the top 15.

Acutally he gets 38 extra from his season he went down for his 5 year career.

05-6 206
04-5 38
03-4 230
02-3 251
01-2 229

talk about consistancy...

Phillips, not Immink

[dren]

Phillips, not Immink

ahh... tru dat

[David Collinge]

The first set of regional rankings comes out tomorrow.  We're never quite certain what hocus pocus is applied by the regional committee, but it seems that the only important factors in determining which teams get ranked are the regional winning percentage and the QoWI.  From there, they use head-to-head and records against other ranked teams to break ties. 

Along those lines, here's the 8 Great Lakes teams that have win %s at .800 or above, ranked by their regional records:

Team--Reg. rec.--Reg. %--QoWI--(national ranking in QoWI)
1. Wooster 16-1 .941 10.706 (14)
2. Hope 12-1 .923 10.615 (16)
3. Baldwin-Wallace 17-2 .895 10.526 (18)
4t. Wittenberg 14-2 .875 10.500 (19)
4t. Calvin 7-1 .875 9.625 (48)
6. Carnegie Mellon 13-2 .867 11.000 (9)
7. Lake Erie 13-3 .813 9.438 (61)
8. Albion 8-2 .800 9.900 (36)

If I had to guess, I'd guess that the rankings come out like this:
1. Wooster
2. Hope
3. CMU
4. Baldwin-Wallace
5. Wittenberg
6. Calvin

The top 100 national teams in terms of QoWI have been posted by Pat Coleman in the QoWI Chat room.

[dren]

The commitee always seem to throw in acouple of ties into the rankings just to keep us on our toes.. I like yours but thinkg they will come out as...

t1. Wooster
t1. Hope
3. Baldwin-Wallace
4. CMU
t5. Wittenberg
t5. Calvin

Also wouldn't be surprised to see Bethany and possibly Lake Erie on there somewhere just because they are tops in a pool B conference...

[Pat Coleman]

Lake Erie is not in a Pool B conference.

[dren]

Lake Erie is not in a Pool B conference.

and this is why i lurk and not post incessantly...

[Pat Coleman]

I'm just happy Hope is logging in and posting scores. Saves us a lot of time tracking things down.

[Facenorth]

I don't mean to change topics here but for those of you that have played college basketball and for those of you that have followed it closer and longer than I have....how much of an advantage is playing at home at the d3 level?  We've seen 18+ point wins in both Albion/Hope games by the home team this year.  Tri-State knocked of sixth ranked Albion (at the time) while playing at home.  Hope proved too strong for Calvin earlier this year winning by 18 in DeVos.

Recently I have heard more and more commentators calling the big d1 games say that the biggest home court in all of sports at any level is in college basketball.  Do you all believe that to be true?  As of last tuesday the top 7 teams in the big ten had a combined home record of 74-4 (I could only think of two...when UCLA beat Michigan and when Wisconsin lost to South Dakota State Tech A&M or whatever it was after playing away the night before.  Anyway you look at it, that's pretty impressive though, 74-4 spread out over 7 teams.

To put another twist on this, is this something the NCAA looks at and will simply hand one school the inside track to advancing past the second round of the tournament?

Thanks.

[AndersDY]

Facenorth, it's can be big in D3, but it is not as consistently helpful as D1. Mainly because Calvin or Hope certainly get an advantage with 3000 faithful around, but most of D3 plays in front of crowds as small or smaller than the ones they experienced in high school.  Hope-Calvin seems to have a rather strong home-court slant over time, but the Albion-Hope game just went through an unprecedented streak of winning visiting teams. Woo-Witt people down south just saw COW win on the road and also were discussing that Witt often plays their better game in Wooster. The advantage is certainly there, but it is one that a focused team does seem to be able to pretty well neutralize.

[bulldogalum]

In my experience at the D3 level, home court is certainly an advantage.   But the degree of the advantage depends on the team.  Every home team has a limited advantage to begin with, if for no other reason than they don't have to hop on a bus for a few hours, they're on a familiar campus, in their usual locker room, doing a familiar routine.  There's a certain comfort in being at home.  

The other advantage is, of course, the fans.  I don't think the home fans hurt the opposing team as much as they fire up the home team.  I would say that Hope probably has the best home court advantage, because they have great student participation, and excellent fan support in general.  Closely behind them are Calvin and Albion, since the Brit students are often rowdier than most, and Calvin consistently gets very good crowds.  The home court with the least advantage, in my experience, is Alma.  Games I've been to there have had very poor fan support in general, and even fewer students, it would seem.  

[AndersDY]

.........by the way have I mentioned how much this Hope team reminds of 1995.

Sac, shhhhhh, shutup shutup shutup...

I have wondered in hindsight though, had D3hoops allowed for better national knowledge of teams in 1995, would we have found out that Hope-BW was actually a pretty close matchup where Hope had simply played in a conference that was much further down that year? Or was BW winning still an epic upset from the view of anyone, even those who knew all about the BW team? All I remember was some crazy good big-man with Bosma size but who had a shot from anywhere on the floor, so perhaps it was a lesser team with one stud who carried them to an upset with a big night?

16. Colly Carlson 1988-92 1,189

Speaking of, has anyone seen Colly Carlson lately? Holy crap...

[Dark Knight]

Home court advantage this year in points, according to Massey:

Albion         5.61
Hope           4.71
Tri-State IN   4.26
Alma           2.67
Adrian         2.42
Kalamazoo      1.78
Olivet MI      0.56
Calvin        -0.54

[Civic Minded]

Home court advantage this year in points, according to Massey:

Albion         5.61
Hope           4.71
Tri-State IN   4.26
Alma           2.67
Adrian         2.42
Kalamazoo      1.78
Olivet MI      0.56
Calvin        -0.54

DK -- thanks for that!  You sure know how to brighten a Hope fan's day!   How long now?  T-8:40? 

[AndersDY]

Well unfortunately, that is:

Calvin's home court advantage with crowds for OOC games and games against MIAA teams not named Albion or Hope = -.54

Calvin's home court advantage when they are shoehorning maroon and gold into the gym = ... well something bigger than that, certainly a positive number

I would take solace in the fact that even with the big road loss Hope gave them, the scoring stats at home have not shown better outcomes in Grand Rapids, but of course they evened the numbers for that game out with the big road win at Albion. I will just put my faith for tonight in the fact that Hope has played in loud games so far this year so if it's just people in different colored shirts making the noise, hopefully no big deal.