MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Darryl Nester]

Pardon the intrusion to your board ... I've been working on a program I wrote a couple of years ago to analyze scenarios for the HCAC standings, trying to extend it so that it could do a similar analysis for any other conference.  I posted results to the CCIW board yesterday, and thought I'd now submit the same to the MIAA.

The first table below is the same information that someone (sac?) posts here.  The second table lists--as a percentage of all possible outcomes for the remaining games--the final seeding for each team.  These are not probabilities (unless you believe that each team has an equal likelihood of winning each game).

I assumed in making this table that your conference's tie-breaking procedure was the same as those of the HCAC (the MIAA page does not have an obvious discussion of tie-breakers).

Team	Overall	Home	Away	Remaining Games
Calvin	10-1	5-1	5-0	@ Olivet, vs. Albion, @ Kzoo
Hope	8-3	5-1	3-2	@ Alma, vs. Adrian, @ Trine
Albion	8-3	4-2	4-1	@ Kzoo, @ Calvin, vs. Alma
Olivet	5-6	1-4	4-2	vs. Calvin, @ Alma, vs. Adrian
Kalamazoo	4-7	2-3	2-4	vs. Albion, @ Trine, vs. Calvin
Adrian	4-7	2-4	2-3	vs. Trine, @ Hope, @ Olivet
Alma	3-8	2-3	1-5	vs. Hope, vs. Olivet, @ Albion
Trine	2-9	1-4	1-5	@ Adrian, vs. Kzoo, vs. Hope

Team	#1	#2	#3	#4	#5	#6	#7	#8
Calvin	95.70%	3.91%	0.39%	--	--	--	--	--
Albion	3.12%	50.40%	46.47%	--	--	--	--	--
Hope	1.17%	45.69%	53.14%	--	--	--	--	--
Olivet	--	--	--	66.60%	17.44%	8.29%	7.67%	--
Kalamazoo	--	--	--	16.97%	36.15%	28.65%	12.96%	5.27%
Adrian	--	--	--	12.45%	37.01%	33.94%	13.75%	2.86%
Alma	--	--	--	3.98%	7.13%	19.30%	48.36%	21.23%
Trine	--	--	--	--	2.27%	9.83%	17.26%	70.64%

[almcguirejr]

Alan Babbitt's Opinion:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x776739668/COLUMN-Hope-Calvin-in-need-of-consistency

[hope_hoops1]

Thanks almcquire for the link.  I'm always amazed that the Sentinel has not found a better writer than Babbitt.  I'm all for being critical of the local team for the sake of getting people to read the column, but the mistakes that fill the writing make me frustrated.  I'm not a good writer, but I haven't chosen that as my profession and whatever I send now gets proofed.

Plus, I'm on the side of not caring about a March post-season run right now.  Hope & Calvin have played two tremendously exciting games.  Why dilute the excitement/passion by bringing down 22-year-olds?  Yeah, they haven't shot that well, but you can't question the effort of any of those players.  Plus, last I checked it was mid-February and anything can happen in March.  Teams get a favorable draw, some players get injured and who knows?  Wheaton made it to the Elite 8 last year after being a questionable Pool C pick.

I'm guessing you could find an English member of the Dew Crew to write better news articles about the team.  We'd have to get past the home-team bias, but that'd be better than cringing through grammatical mistakes.  Sorry for the soap box rant.  Safe travels for everyone tomorrow and enjoy the games.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Alan Babbitt's Opinion:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x776739668/COLUMN-Hope-Calvin-in-need-of-consistency

Thanks for the link.  I quote from Babbitt: "They just don't stack up in terms of a sustained high level of play with the elite in the country"

I wonder how many D3 games involving "elite" teams Mr. Babbitt has attended this season? 

[almcguirejr]

Alan Babbitt's Opinion:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x776739668/COLUMN-Hope-Calvin-in-need-of-consistency

I wonder how many D3 games involving "elite" teams Mr. Babbitt has attended this season? 

Would he know it if he saw one?

[oldknight]

Babbitt's comments aren't totally without merit but he overlooks something in his analysis. If there ever was a year for the MIAA to have its conference representative go into Great Lakes Region post-season competition after displaying a regular season of inconsistent play, this might be it. Neither Wooster nor Wittenberg are quite as strong as they have been in recent years and Sac pointed out to me that Capital is the No. 1 ranked team in our region. The Crusaders are 18-3, and only they and John Carroll (at 16-4) are ranked in the D3 hoops Top 25 (at 14 and 18 respectively). I don't think there's a team in our region that Calvin and Hope can't beat so winning a couple of games in the NCAA tournament isn't as farfetched as Babbitt makes it sound.

[sac]

Nothing raises the spirits like seeing you have a 1.17% chance at anything.

[sac]

Babbitt's comments aren't totally without merit but he overlooks something in his analysis. If there ever was a year for the MIAA to have its conference representative go into Great Lakes Region post-season competition after displaying a regular season of inconsistent play, this might be it. Neither Wooster nor Wittenberg are quite as strong as they have been in recent years and Sac pointed out to me that Capital is the No. 1 ranked team in our region. The Crusaders are 18-3, and only they and John Carroll (at 16-4) are ranked in the D3 hoops Top 25 (at 14 and 18 respectively). I don't think there's a team in our region that Calvin and Hope can't beat so winning a couple of games in the NCAA tournament isn't as farfetched as Babbitt makes it sound.

Here's another example, Franklin might end up being the HCAC champion they could certainly be a first or second round opponent for the MIAA rep.

Olivet 81 Franklin 79
Trine 73 Franklin 68

.........or the MIAA could draw someone like Benedictine, Edgewood an upset winner in the NCAC or OAC conferences.   You just never know.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Alan Babbitt's Opinion:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x776739668/COLUMN-Hope-Calvin-in-need-of-consistency

I wonder how many D3 games involving "elite" teams Mr. Babbitt has attended this season? 

Would he know it if he saw one?

Maybe he's been hanging out with David Mayo??   

<sorry, I just couldn't resist>

[gohope]

Alan Babbitt's Opinion:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x776739668/COLUMN-Hope-Calvin-in-need-of-consistency

I wonder how many D3 games involving "elite" teams Mr. Babbitt has attended this season? 

Would he know it if he saw one?

Maybe he's been hanging out with David Mayo??   

<sorry, I just couldn't resist>

"Michael Phelps!" .... "Michael Phelps!"  (even heavier on the I just couldn't resist!!)

[Gregory Sager]

Babbitt's comments aren't totally without merit but he overlooks something in his analysis. If there ever was a year for the MIAA to have its conference representative go into Great Lakes Region post-season competition after displaying a regular season of inconsistent play, this might be it. Neither Wooster nor Wittenberg are quite as strong as they have been in recent years and Sac pointed out to me that Capital is the No. 1 ranked team in our region. The Crusaders are 18-3, and only they and John Carroll (at 16-4) are ranked in the D3 hoops Top 25 (at 14 and 18 respectively). I don't think there's a team in our region that Calvin and Hope can't beat so winning a couple of games in the NCAA tournament isn't as farfetched as Babbitt makes it sound.

Here's another example, Franklin might end up being the HCAC champion they could certainly be a first or second round opponent for the MIAA rep.

Olivet 81 Franklin 79
Trine 73 Franklin 68

.........or the MIAA could draw someone like Benedictine, Edgewood an upset winner in the NCAC or OAC conferences.   You just never know.

Excellent points by both of you.

but I do have to say to miaafan55, if you think Lupe Fiasco is going to sway my decision on whether I like Van Noord or not you have obviously not seen my CD collection.........and the mere fact that in this digital age I still have a CD collection should tell you something.

Big deal. Oldknight still listens to 8-track tapes. He thinks that Lupe Fiasco is what happens when a coin-operated toilet in London backs up on you.

[almcguirejr]

Alan Babbitt's Opinion:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x776739668/COLUMN-Hope-Calvin-in-need-of-consistency

I wonder how many D3 games involving "elite" teams Mr. Babbitt has attended this season? 

Would he know it if he saw one?

Maybe he's been hanging out with David Mayo??   

<sorry, I just couldn't resist>

"Michael Phelps!" .... "Michael Phelps!"  (even heavier on the I just couldn't resist!!)

Lettuce all pipe down.

[oldknight]

Big deal. Oldknight still listens to 8-track tapes. He thinks that Lupe Fiasco is what happens when a coin-operated toilet in London backs up on you.

Me and Jackson Browne baby. From the Loadout/Stay

Now we got country and western on the bus, R & B
We got disco on eight tracks and cassettes in stereo
We've got rural scenes and magazines
We got truckers on CB
We got Richard Pryor on the video
And we got time to think of the ones we love
While the miles roll away
But the only time that seems too short
Is the time that we get to play


As for utilizing coin-operated toilets--come on, you are aware of my flinty Dutch (not Flying Dutch) heritage aren't you?

[GoKnights68]

Babbitt's comments aren't totally without merit but he overlooks something in his analysis. If there ever was a year for the MIAA to have its conference representative go into Great Lakes Region post-season competition after displaying a regular season of inconsistent play, this might be it. Neither Wooster nor Wittenberg are quite as strong as they have been in recent years and Sac pointed out to me that Capital is the No. 1 ranked team in our region. The Crusaders are 18-3, and only they and John Carroll (at 16-4) are ranked in the D3 hoops Top 25 (at 14 and 18 respectively). I don't think there's a team in our region that Calvin and Hope can't beat so winning a couple of games in the NCAA tournament isn't as farfetched as Babbitt makes it sound.

Good point, oldknight.  I might add that I still believe that Calvin will play step it up a huge notch come MIAA tourney time like they usually do under a KVS coached team.  Hopefully they can put it altogether and get that AQ in impressive fashion, but we'll see...

[sac]

Me and Jackson Browne baby. From the Loadout/Stay

Now we got country and western on the bus, R & B
We got disco on eight tracks and cassettes in stereo
We've got rural scenes and magazines
We got truckers on CB
We got Richard Pryor on the video
And we got time to think of the ones we love
While the miles roll away
But the only time that seems too short
Is the time that we get to play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtuvXrTz8DY