MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[GoKnights68]

I think Calvin could have played better.  Just look at some how those easy lay-ups they were missing in the first 5 minutes.

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I think Calvin could have played better.  Just look at some how those easy lay-ups they were missing in the first 5 minutes.

Mostly because they had guys in orange jerseys drapped over their backs.  I knew Hope was going to be tough but I didnt know we'd have to play the guys in stripes too. 

[big_yellow_hat]

Well, just got back from some celebration at the "Derby", wow what a game.  I must say that Hope really is quite a talented team.  I am surprised to see all the posts about the refs from a Hope stand point.  As a Calvin fan in the front row we were all over the refs about non-calls on Hope offensive rebounds in the first half.  It would be interesting to see the real stats on Hope's offensive rebounds, it seemed like they had a ton in the first half.  Other than that if you look at the total number of fouls and free throws I would guess they were well below average for both teams. 

As for the base line call, speaking for most of the Calvin fans around me we had no clue that it was controversial at all and I didn't notice the Hope section complaining about it as I am sure they would have had they seen anything close at all.  As SAC said at that point you just had a feeling that Calvin would pull it off anyway.  I guess Knight Slappy got to look at the tape numerous times and I hear he's a pretty credible guy, but I am wondering if anyone else taped it and got to look at it over again.

Congrats to the Knights and it all comes down to next Wednesday at Calvin with the all too crucial home court advantage and not having to face both Hope and Albion in the MIAA tournament.

[Gregory Sager]

So ... now I ask the same question I always ask in here after a Calvin/Hope game:

What's the updated all-time standings in the series, and what's the updated all-time point totals?

[oldknight]

Oops, forgot to post the stats if anyone is interested.

http://www.calvin.edu/sports/mbasket/stats/2005_06/cm22.htm

There's something fishy about those stats. They show Veldhouse and Meckes with 19 minutes of PT and Snoeyink with only 13. That isn't right is it?

I think so too.  Duff and Pearcy did not play for Calvin unless I was unconscious for a while.

Whoever did the stats must read our posts. The stat sheet is now updated and among the changes they now show Veldhouse and Meckes with 23 minutes of PT and Snoeyink with 29. Duff and Pearcy are now off the stat sheet completely. I do think that Calvin had more than 8 turnovers though.

[tniem]

So ... now I ask the same question I always ask in here after a Calvin/Hope game:

What's the updated all-time standings in the series, and what's the updated all-time point totals?

From memory:

Calvin leads the series 81-78.

Hope now leads by 6 points. 


Needed help:

10,570 - 10,564

[oldknight]

I assume both schools will have internet radio broadcasts of the game.  Can I get an unbiased opinion as to which one is the better broadcast for an impartial fan who wants to tune in?  Taking into account all factors such as broadcast quality, professionalism of announcers, etc. 

David (and anyone else who had no dog in the Calvin/Hope fight): Now that you have listened to Doug Wentworth's play by play did you find him to be reasonably professional and informative or was he too biased for your tastes?

I must say I found Doug's post game pronouncement that last night's affair was the greatest in his 40 years of broadcasting Calvin/Hope games to be hyperbole, no doubt influenced by the stunning nature of winning a game with a last second shot to give an underdog Calvin their only lead of the game. Offhand I can think of 3 Calvin/Hope contests as good or better than last night's--Winkles miracle in 2000, the Honderd led Knights' win over Gugino's Hopesters in the NCAA's in 1992, and Hope's 104-102 double overtime win at the Civic in 1965, a win tainted ( ) by a last second off the ball foul call which led to Don Kronemeyer's winning free throws with no time on the clock (not that I'm bitter about it 41 years later). Last night's game certainly deserves to be in the top 5 but I'm not sure I'm ready to anoint it as the best so quickly.

[albionbritfan]

If I remember correctly, Fulse had a disk problem with his back.  I'm not sure on a timeframe for his return this year, if any.

[kresgekrazy]

Knightslappy....?? really - do you have a tape of the Calvin vs. H_ _ _ game at home?  You have watched it repeatedly (i.e. several times).  We need to find you a hobby.  Maybe making model cars or something.  I was at the Pistons game last night and couldn't even make it through the third quarter before leaving for Hoops (restaurant).   Are you an assistant coach?

Congrats to Calvin on the win - thank God you beat the D_ _ _ _.  I guess we know who the Big Man loves more this week.

Chauncey Billups is one of theeee greatest names in all of sports.  Cha CHa Cha Chaunccccceeeeeeeeyyyyyyy Billups!

Nate

[Gregory Sager]

and Hope's 104-102 double overtime win at the Civic in 1965, a win tainted ( ) by a last second off the ball foul call which led to Don Kronemeyer's winning free throws with no time on the clock (not that I'm bitter about it 41 years later).

I honestly cannot think of a better testimonial for just how compelling the Holy War really is than the fact that a fan of one of the two teams still holds a grudge over a foul call that happened over four decades ago. That is one hardy tapeworm you've got hanging on in your gut over that '65 game, Oldknight.  

[oldknight]

and Hope's 104-102 double overtime win at the Civic in 1965, a win tainted ( ) by a last second off the ball foul call which led to Don Kronemeyer's winning free throws with no time on the clock (not that I'm bitter about it 41 years later).

I honestly cannot think of a better testimonial for just how compelling the Holy War really is than the fact that a fan of one of the two teams still holds a grudge over a foul call that happened over four decades ago. That is one hardy tapeworm you've got hanging on in your gut over that '65 game, Oldknight.  

There is a reason why The Rivalry got 6 trillion votes for the best rivalry in college sports nearly closing down the ESPN website. And I only voted once.

[kcrest]

Some other observations

I actually enjoyed the tight, hot confines of the Fieldhouse, its everything D3 should be.  Don't get me wrong I love DeVos but its too comfortable.  I'm just going to guess most Hope fans were overdressed for this one, including myself.

KVS--going against the coaching adage "play for the tie at home"  I too was surprised Veldhouse went for the win.......however booo to Hope for again not learning a thing from the first attempt.

now I'm just sayin'..........if you look up Hope's two losing boxscores and scroll to the bottom you will notice 3 names that appear on both.  They are not players or coaches.

Wasn't it hot in there?!  Wow.  Shorts and a t-shirt would have been great.  I love that KVS played for the win.  No way did I want five more minutes for Hope to wake up.  It wouldn't have shocked me for them to put up 15 points in OT and win by 10.  The fact that Calvin ran the exact same play twice and both times got a clear look at a 3 did surprise me!  Also the officials I thought were terrific.  6 fouls total in he 1st half and 12 total in the 2nd.  COuldn't ask for any more.  Let the kids play and let the officials fade into the background.  Perfect.

[hornet fan]

Someday karma will change and Hope will win all the last second shot thrillers.

Sac, I assume you are referring solely to the Hope/Calvin rivalry.  I  remember Holstege and Klingler (to name a few) that ripped the hearts out of Hornet fans.  You guys have done okay when it comes to last second thrillers, especially against the Hornets.

Suprisingly, there was other MIAA action last night.  The Hornets played an ugly game  against Tri-State.  Tri-State was 9-15 in the first half in 3s, only to cool off in the 2nd with a 1-16 performance.  The Hornets could have made this an easy ten point victory had they played better.  They did not shoot that well and missed a number of FTs down the stretch. 

This was a big win for K.  Short of winning all remaining games, their goal is to host a 1st round tournament game.  They need to beat either Calvin or Albion for that to happen.  Both tasks are a tall order...

[hornet fan]

I need to retract, the Hornets actually did shoot well, 52% in fact.  It was still an ugly game...

[KnightSlappy]

Knightslappy....?? really - do you have a tape of the Calvin vs. H_ _ _ game at home?  You have watched it repeatedly (i.e. several times).  We need to find you a hobby.  Maybe making model cars or something.  I was at the Pistons game last night and couldn't even make it through the third quarter before leaving for Hoops (restaurant).   Are you an assistant coach?

What I mean is that the game was on PBS.  A guy on my floor taped it.  I watched the Meckes saving the ball play several times.