MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[arena]

Out of 43 votes in the 2010 possible league champion forecast above I see that Hope has a sizeable lead.  Granted Hope has a ton of talent, and potential coming back next year, but personally I do not understand the disparity in the number with Calvin.  My forecast has the 2010 race going much like 09, and Calvin has strenghts where Hope has possible weakness, and Hope has strenght at guards, but it's front line is inexperienced.  Am I missing something? 

More hope fans have responded.

.......or maybe the voters have been swayed by realists insistance that Hope has "a ton of talent"

........or maybe more hope fans have voted.

[goodknight]

Out of 43 votes in the 2010 possible league champion forecast above I see that Hope has a sizeable lead.  Granted Hope has a ton of talent, and potential coming back next year, but personally I do not understand the disparity in the number with Calvin.  My forecast has the 2010 race going much like 09, and Calvin has strenghts where Hope has possible weakness, and Hope has strenght at guards, but it's front line is inexperienced.  Am I missing something? 

More hope fans have responded.

.......or maybe the voters have been swayed by realists insistance that Hope has "a ton of talent"

........or maybe more hope fans have voted.

I cast my vote for Hope as the likely favorite for next year.  It's a close calll, but I think Calvin has more holes to plug than does Hope.   This is keeping KVS busier than an AIG PR consultant -- and so far he seems to be faring pretty well.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Out of 43 votes in the 2010 possible league champion forecast above I see that Hope has a sizeable lead.  Granted Hope has a ton of talent, and potential coming back next year, but personally I do not understand the disparity in the number with Calvin.  My forecast has the 2010 race going much like 09, and Calvin has strenghts where Hope has possible weakness, and Hope has strenght at guards, but it's front line is inexperienced.  Am I missing something? 

More hope fans have responded.

.......or maybe the voters have been swayed by realists insistance that Hope has "a ton of talent"

........or maybe more hope fans have voted.

Well it certainly couldn't be because it might be someone's honest opinion, regardless of which school they support, since honest opinions aren't welcome here. 

Speaking of being honest - here's an honest question..  how many smiley faces in a row does it take to move from indicating you're joking to just being rude? 

[ziggy]

........or maybe more hope fans have voted.

Well it certainly couldn't be because it might be someone's honest opinion, regardless of which school they support, since honest opinions aren't welcome here. 

Speaking of being honest - here's an honest question..  how many smiley faces in a row does it take to move from indicating you're joking to just being rude? 

(Licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop)/[((# of moons in "many moons ago")/365)*(# of people it takes to screw in a light bulb)]

[sac]

Here's something a little different.........

2009 closes out the decade and I'm thankfull for that because now we can reference the current decade much easier by using "teens" even though it won't technically be true for another 3 years.  (Its 2009 I still don't know what this decade is called.) 

MIAA records from 2000-09 excluding MIAA Tournament games

Hope 104-28  .788
Calvin 103- 29  .780
Albion 91-41  .689
Adrian 55-77  .417
Olivet 47-85  .356
Kzoo 46-86  .348
Alma 22-110  .167
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*Trine 26-44  .433
**Defiance 10-4



Overall record

Hope 214-72  .748
Calvin 212-78  .731
Albion 181-82  .688
Adrian 120-141  .460
Olivet 103-153  .402
Kzoo 99-155  .390
Alma 54-197  .215
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*Trine 48-81  .372
Defiance 18-9

*Trine has competed in 5 MIAA seasons starting in 2005.
** Defiance competed in 1 MIAA season in 2000

MIAA Championships
Albion 2003, 2005
Calvin 2000, 2001, 2002, 2006, 2009
Hope 2003, 2004, 2007, 2008

MIAA Tournament Championships
Calvin 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2007
Hope 2002, 2003, 2006, 2008, 2009

NCAA Appearances and record
Albion 2005,  2-1
Calvin 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 13-5
Hope 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 10-6

Final Fours
Calvin 2000, 2005
Hope 2008

National Champion
Calvin 2000

[goodknight]

Sac,you aught to know by now.

[sac]

Sac,you aught to know by now.

Its to awkward for me to accept.


Speaking of awkward chuckles, its off-topic and you probably had to see this obscure movie but I got a laugh out of it.

http://mgoblog.com/content/grosse-pointe-beilein


**link works now, neurotic people who forced the webmaster to change the point to pointe resulted in the bad link.

Here's the movie clip if you're thoroughly confused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pupHeSHOEE&feature=related

[northb]

Speaking of being honest - here's an honest question..  how many smiley faces in a row does it take to move from indicating you're joking to just being rude? 

Could be just one.  ?

[realist]

Out of 43 votes in the 2010 possible league champion forecast above I see that Hope has a sizeable lead.  Granted Hope has a ton of talent, and potential coming back next year, but personally I do not understand the disparity in the number with Calvin.  My forecast has the 2010 race going much like 09, and Calvin has strenghts where Hope has possible weakness, and Hope has strenght at guards, but it's front line is inexperienced.  Am I missing something? 

More hope fans have responded.

.......or maybe the voters have been swayed by realists insistance that Hope has "a ton of talent"

While I would like to think that I have the ability to sway people's opinion in my more "realistic" moments it dawns on me convincing most Hope posters that Hope has a ton of talent is not exactly a hard sell. 
I said early on Hope 08-09 was a talented team, and would do well.  They lived up to everything I expected.  Looking forward I just think Hope (once again) has some very big holes to fill.  Mr. Reimink is going to be hard to replace.  Perhaps Mr. Venema will become the big man inside that Hope  needs, but after him I think everyone has to wonder a bit about depth insdie. 

[arena]

Out of 43 votes in the 2010 possible league champion forecast above I see that Hope has a sizeable lead.  Granted Hope has a ton of talent, and potential coming back next year, but personally I do not understand the disparity in the number with Calvin.  My forecast has the 2010 race going much like 09, and Calvin has strenghts where Hope has possible weakness, and Hope has strenght at guards, but it's front line is inexperienced.  Am I missing something? 

More hope fans have responded.

.......or maybe the voters have been swayed by realists insistance that Hope has "a ton of talent"

........or maybe more hope fans have voted.

Well it certainly couldn't be because it might be someone's honest opinion, regardless of which school they support, since honest opinions aren't welcome here. 

Speaking of being honest - here's an honest question..  how many smiley faces in a row does it take to move from indicating you're joking to just being rude? 

kind of a rude question don't you think?

[sac]

Greatlakeshoops.com has 6-5 Brian Sheridan from New Lothrup heading to Adrian College.  Stephen Bell had him #30 on his pre-season power forwards list.  Since no All-State lists have been released accolades will have to wait.


If you're like me and wonder where the heck in Michigan New Lothrup is......its about 15 miles NW of Flint, near Flushing.

Greatlakeshoops.com has now removed Adrian from next to Brian Sheridan's name.  New Lothrup is in the Class D quarterfinals next Tuesday and play Lawrence at Battle Creek Harper Creek.  Lawrence's 6-10 Shane Whittington was Stephen Bell's Class D player of the year.

[mrknight]

I agree with you Realist that Hope is going to have a ton of talent coming back with Bunn, Crombeen, Bowser to name a few. I think that Venema has got quite a ways to go before he's a legit collegiate player, not saying he doesn't have a future, but he's definitely still a little green behind the ears. But like you said, we'll see how well Hope reacts to not having Reimink in the lineup. I think Calvin has more depth returning, but that's just my personal opinion, as their biggest contributor is coming back and they aren't losing much from this year as Veldhouse performed severely sub-par and Smith never played consistent enough to be considered a legitimate threat. But we'll see, I'm excited to see how Calvin's recruits perform and the way these two teams will compete as the Calvin-Hope tradition continues

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Just took a look at the statistics and how much scoring and rebounding Hope and Calvin are losing to graduation. They're actually pretty close when you look at scoring.  Rebounding is a different matter.

Hope - losing 45.8% of scoring and 38.1% of rebounding
Calvin - losing 45.6% of scoring and 49.6% of rebounding

[realist]

FDF:  Your point is well made.  At this point in time it is hard to see Calvin sustaining the rebounding margin they enjoyed this past season.  At the same time us Calvin fans would like to see more players contributing offensively.   Looking at Hope's potential roster for next year I see a team that is going to have plenty of ball handlers, but just not sure I see them winning many battles inside.  I hasten to add I have been wrong before, and much can change between now and when the first whistle blows in Nov.  In agreement with several Hope posters Jesse did so many extra little things to make Hope better the last few years the void is larger than most people realize.
Welcome  MrKnight, always good to have new posters on this site.

[dumezrules]

Just took a look at the statistics and how much scoring and rebounding Hope and Calvin are losing to graduation. They're actually pretty close when you look at scoring.  Rebounding is a different matter.

Hope - losing 45.8% of scoring and 38.1% of rebounding
Calvin - losing 45.6% of scoring and 49.6% of rebounding

An even more important statistic......

Hope---> losing 38.2 % minutes played

Calvin--> losing 53% minutes played (would be much higher if Veldhouse had not gotten injured this season)