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Rare opportunity - you can buy tickets to the Hope @ Calvin game on 01/06/2010 at the link below:

https://www.ticketreturn.com/prod2/Buy.asp?EventID=49154

I doubt this is a sell-out given that classes will not be back in session yet.

I do know that Calvin student tickets were sold-out the day after they went on-sale.  As Preto mentioned, it is the night of the first day of interim classes for Calvin.

So how many students take the interim/January term at Calvin?

I did go down the path of attempting to buy tickets online (I already have mine, just wanted to see what was available).  No lower bowl tickets are currently available, but upper bowl, no problem.  A request for 50 tickets returned me 4 rows of seats together.

I think you're allowed to take one interim off, so at least 75% of the students take a January class each year (the actual number may be closer to 85% though), although many are around the country or overseas. It seemed to me that in my days, the campus was at about 60-65%ish.

I took two off-campus interim classes as a Junior: Bowling and Skiing. It wasn't quite like Europe but it was still fun.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Hope falls to 5-4 and is off untill the Russ DeVette tournament where they'll play Madonna the first night, and then get the winner of Davenport and Grace Bible which will be a very tough game.

Do the winners play each other in the second game or is Hope an automatic to play the winner of the Grace/Davenport game, regardless what happens with Madonna?  I thought winners play winners and losers play losers but Hope is guaranteed the 8:00 game on the final night, no matter what.  Looks like the Dutchmen will need to win both games to get their record above the .500 mark at DeVos this year.

There is a consolation game and a championship game (I think sac was assuming Hope would win their game against Madonna).  Years ago, after an experience like the one Calvin had after loosing to Grace Bible, Hope changed all of it's home tournaments (men and women) to always have Hope in the second game.  That avoids a championship game that might have no one watching. 

[sac]

Hope falls to 5-4 and is off untill the Russ DeVette tournament where they'll play Madonna the first night, and then get the winner of Davenport and Grace Bible which will be a very tough game.

Do the winners play each other in the second game or is Hope an automatic to play the winner of the Grace/Davenport game, regardless what happens with Madonna?  I thought winners play winners and losers play losers but Hope is guaranteed the 8:00 game on the final night, no matter what.  Looks like the Dutchmen will need to win both games to get their record above the .500 mark at DeVos this year.

Pardon me for assuming Hope can handle a 2-10 team with a loss to Alma.  Didn't mean to get you in such a twist.

Wonder what will happen first, Hope getting above .500 at DeVos this year or Calvin getting above .500........period.

Have a nice Christmas.

[northb]

Wonder what will happen first, Hope getting above .500 at DeVos this year or Calvin getting above .500........period.

Have a nice Christmas.

reeoooooow!

[hoopdreams]

If Hope plays the way they have the past four games in this tourney, they'll find themselves below .500 too.  Entering conference play 1 game over (most likely) is nothing to brag on.

GVSU 20 olivet 22 with 7:10 left in half....

[hoopdreams]

olivet 25-20 at 5 to go

[hoopdreams]

hanging on...up 38-37, 15ish left.  If gv can lock down like they're capable of, olivet won't score much more.  The 3's that were dropping earlier, currently aren't.  Jennings is 3-13 from thr floor

[hoopdreams]

51 all, under 5 fo go

[wiz]

OC fell a little short but gave it the old college try.  Lost by 8.

[realist]

Assuming D2 has the same "strenght of schedule" etc. requirements as D3 GVSU really did not help themselves all that much did they?

[sac]

Assuming D2 has the same "strenght of schedule" etc. requirements as D3 GVSU really did not help themselves all that much did they?

For the D2 school a game vs a team out of division only affects overall record which is used as a primary criteria.  Unlike D3 which concentrates on in-region games and games out of division aren't even considered (so far as stated in the criteria).

D2's definition of in-region is slightly different than D3 outside of teams within your defined region, with no 200 mile rule, in its place is the same administrative region rule and a 'contiguous states' rule with special provisions for the D2 schools in Colorado, Nebraska, Montana, and Calfornia.  (also Michigan vs Minnesota can be considered in-region)

D2's primary criteria are

-  W/L record
-  Overall D2 strength of schedule (calculated much more simplistic than D3)
-  head to head
-  in region record
-  in region strength of schedule
-  common opponents
-  wins vs ranked team
-  significant wins losses

GVSU playing a D3 barely hurts or helps really.

D2 also has a true regional format for their tournament where you would be paired only vs teams in your own region.  The 8 regional winners are sent to one site for the Quarterfinals, semi's and finals.

GLIAC schedules are almost all in-region games because of the larger number of conference games.  By my count GVSU will play 25 regular season games in-region, 22 of them conference games.   They have 2 games scheduled out of division, Cornerstone and Olivet.

[hope1]

have a nice happy holidays   everyone

[realist]

SAC:  Thanks for you answer.  Looking at schedules around the country it seems many D 2's will schedule a D 3 or NAIA in their area.  I have a hard enough time understanding D3 rules.
Looking ahead to Calvin's opponents next week.   Lewis Clark is 1-4.  Two of the losses occured in o.t., and the single victory was against a D2 school on Nov. 28th.  They will be coming in after a month lay off.  Hollins is a 6'3  So. guard averaging 26 pt. per game, 10 rebounds per game, and is the only guy to start all 5 games. The team has another 6'3" guard, Edwards, a Jr. that has played in the last 2 games, and is averaging 23.5/game.  The other players seem to fill supporting roles, but hard to come to any real conclusion with few players having appeared in all their games.  I think Calvin is really going to have their hands full with these 2 guards.  Hollins is  18 of 46 for .391% on 3's.  As a team they are just under 300 on 3's.
Ohio Northern is the 2nd opponent, and comes in with a 5-5 record.  No common opponent, but they beat Trine 71-62.  K. Meyer a 6'5" Sr. F. is averaging 17.6 per game, and just went over 1,000 in his career.  Bradshaw a 6'2" Sr. G averages just under 15/game.  Schnelle a 6'9" So. C. is the 3rd scoring option.  The team shoots just over .306% on 3's.  If this ONU team is like previous ones it is going to be a tough defensive battle for Calvin.  
The 3rd teaam is Loras, and they are also 5-5 ytd.  They lost to Wheaton 82-60 Nov. 24th.  Kelly a 6'4" So F averages 13.5/ game, and shoots .364 on 3's.  As a team Loras has shot 78-187 for .396 on 3's.
Gleason a 6'2" Jr. G averages 12.9/ game, and is 26-57 for .456% on 3's.  He is the only 10 game starter on the roster.
Pawleski is a 6'9" So. C, and averagees 10.3/ game.
At first glance it would seem Calvin is going to have to defend the 3's, but with a big guy inside can't ignore the paint.
Looking at the rosters it would seem that Calvin matches up fairly decently with each of these teams, and may have a slight ht. advantage.  It seems, for various reasons, all of these teams have struggled to get a set line up.
Knowing it is dangerous to predict these types of games I can realistically see Calvin going 2 for 3, but 3 games in 3 days may be a disadvantage resulting in 1-3.  My M & G glasses would like to see 3 for 3 so we could enter the MIAA at 6-5, but that is a lot to expect.  Just as easily a team with hot-handed guards, one with tough defense, and one shooting lights out on 3's could be the 0-3 trifecta of "knightmares".  Note to self, "stock up on potent eggnog".

Have a Merry and safe Christmas.

[pennstghs]

Hey MIAA guys......an NCAC Wittenberg fan dropping in!

A couple of questions. Can anyone give me any insight to Olivet. They are in the holiday tournament field at Wittenberg this weekend and just guaging their ability. I know they were picked 3rd preseason in the MIAA.

Also, another team that will be there is Ohio Dominican. Upon reading their schedule and results, I saw a victory at Hope Is this true, how did it happen, and does this say more about Ohio Dominican being pretty good or Hope having a down year?

[realist]

Hey MIAA guys......an NCAC Wittenberg fan dropping in!

A couple of questions. Can anyone give me any insight to Olivet. They are in the holiday tournament field at Wittenberg this weekend and just guaging their ability. I know they were picked 3rd preseason in the MIAA.

Also, another team that will be there is Ohio Dominican. Upon reading their schedule and results, I saw a victory at Hope Is this true, how did it happen, and does this say more about Ohio Dominican being pretty good or Hope having a down year?

As you can see from the notes on the top of this page Olivet hung with GVSU until the end of the game.  GVSU is a respectable D2 program.  I have not seen Olivet play this year.  They have some talented guys, and can make things interesting if you take them for granted.  At this point in time neither Calvin nor Hope have really performed to their fans expectations so it is possible that Olivet deserves to be higher than the MIAA 3rd pick.  They have a good coach, they adjust well to game conditions, and like to hang around to the end of the game.
You can go back a number of pages, to 1480, and read the comments on the Hope Ohio D. game.  Yes, they did beat Hope at their place, and that is a tough thing to do.  Hope only shot 28% and that just doesn't happen very often.