MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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Isn't it funny how when Calvin...   nah, better not go there


Don't make it too obvious what you were about to say!

Fortunately the archived posts before February 1 speak volumns.........or in the Knights case.........pamphlets.

Well, I can't speak for other Calvin College fans, but I've been incredibly busy with work and haven't been to as many games as I'd like to.  But I did see the last Calvin/Hope edition.  Wonderful game.

Sorry to hear your so busy arena.  Big game on Wednesday and a full house would be nice.  No need to apologize for your posting absesnce.  Hope grads have plenty of time to post because the window of time where pizza's actually need to be delivered is relatively small.  Hope you can make it to the game this Wednesday!

[albinomascot19]

NW Hope Fan:  If teams that are in their 3rd or 4th provisional year counts towards NCAA Selection.....then how does Tri-State get into this mix.  Isnt it Tri-State's 2nd year in the league, or not?

Win/losses against a team such as Tri-State don't count in the region, but they do count in the overall record.  Losing to a team like Tri-State can have an affect, however, it also matters how the team ends.  So, if Albion can beat Calvin on Wednesday and then come home and Beat Olivet, the Tri-State game doesnt mean too much.

2 more games, will decide how the teams are seeded in the MIAA Tournament.  Should be another exciting week of MIAA Basketball at its finest!

[NW Hope Fan]

NW Hope Fan:  If teams that are in their 3rd or 4th provisional year counts towards NCAA Selection.....then how does Tri-State get into this mix.  Isn't it Tri-State's 2nd year in the league, or not?

Win/losses against a team such as Tri-State don't count in the region, but they do count in the overall record.  Losing to a team like Tri-State can have an affect, however, it also matters how the team ends. 

So I'm still a bit confused... Is Tri-State provisional in our league, or DIII in general? I think I get that they count as "games played", but if Tri-State was a DIII school (which I guess I don't know) before joining our league (although I assume, no, because they are not considered "in-region") wouldn't they count those game??? I'm just curious, and would like someone who understands the complexities to explain them.

None the less, you are right. That loss is just an anomaly for Albion and shouldn't hurt them much anyway, if they beat (or shall I hope, WHEN they beat) Calvin. Good luck!

[NW Hope Fan]

   On an off-basketball topic, Olivet College won their first ever men's swimming title. 

Congrats to the Comet swimmers.

[Stinger]

Would've liked to post sooner, but a wedding last night in kzoo and a b-day party in St. Clair today kept me away....

Frustrating loss once again for the Hornets. They were so close to pulling this one out. I just find it funny how there can be a number of 20 in the free throw  disparity, esp on the home court.  Mr. Maisner really blew it with the tech on Timmy Herman.  If that was a tech on Herman, then actions made by Palmer and Crawford later in the game certainly warrented them as well.  Maisner really changed the whole momentum, this after the Hornets were down as many as 8 to come back and take a lead.   Any chance Mr.Cooper would pull an ACC?   Laughable.

That being said, the Hornets had their chances. After being down early, they battled back.  They got off 9 more shots than Albion in the first half, just couldnt find that bottom of the net.  They also had the ball with the lead in the 2nd for a couple of possessions but could not score.  

Two wins would be nice to end the season.   Olivet is always tough to play at home, and obviously, Calvin is playing good ball. However, with the way the Hornets are playing, if they can show the same tenacity they have in the last 4 ball games, they definitely have a shot at winning at Knollcrest.

[David Collinge]

NW Hope Fan:  If teams that are in their 3rd or 4th provisional year counts towards NCAA Selection.....then how does Tri-State get into this mix.  Isn't it Tri-State's 2nd year in the league, or not?

Win/losses against a team such as Tri-State don't count in the region, but they do count in the overall record.  Losing to a team like Tri-State can have an affect, however, it also matters how the team ends. 

So I'm still a bit confused... Is Tri-State provisional in our league, or DIII in general? I think I get that they count as "games played", but if Tri-State was a DIII school (which I guess I don't know) before joining our league (although I assume, no, because they are not considered "in-region") wouldn't they count those game??? I'm just curious, and would like someone who understands the complexities to explain them.

None the less, you are right. That loss is just an anomaly for Albion and shouldn't hurt them much anyway, if they beat (or shall I hope, WHEN they beat) Calvin. Good luck!

While we wait for a more definitive answer from someone who knows (Pat or sac or Ralph Turner), I can tell you that Tri-State is an NCAA provisional team and is ineligible to participate in the national championship.  I was under the impression that that meant that games against Tri-State didn't count as regional games, until I read the Daily Dose:

I just read on Pat's Blog about NCAA Tournament selection this line:

"• Contest versus provisional members in their third and fourth years shall count"

Does this mean that in reality a loss to Tri-State could hurt? And wins help?

I don't know what year of their provisional status TSU is in, and I don't know where to look.  The D3 Men's Championship Handbook (available by clicking here) only says that TSU is provisional, not what year of that status, as far as I can find.

[albionbritfan]

NW Hope Fan-
TriState is a provisional member of DIII.  It takes four years and the clock started last year, so they are in their second year.  So when counting in-region games for NCAA regional rankings, TriState's games do not count.  TriState's games do count for the purposes of the MIAA.

Hope this clarifies....

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3state first appeared in the MIAA standings last year.  Two years ago they played each MIAA team twice except
for Olivet whom they played once.  Based on this I'm guessing this is their second year of provisional status and played a typical MIAA schedule the year before in preparation.

[albinomascot19]

Guys you are saying the same thing I told the man.  Lets wait till Pat can shed some light on this, and then we'll all be cleared up on this matter! 

[big_yellow_hat]

I believe Ziggy is right, 2 years ago for Tri-state was not counted as an official year in the MIAA also I thought I had heard that they were a DII school before joining the MIAA.

[sac]

No its right, TSU is in year 2 of provisional status.  Second year as a member of the MIAA, they are not eligible for NCAA play but can win the MIAA Championship.

Which by the way brings up another issue, why are they allowed to compete in the conference tournament if they can't accept the AQ.

Last year was they're first official year in the league, in 04 they played a tune-up MIAA schedule.......mostly because I think the WHAC schools all dropped them.

On an off-basketball topic, Olivet College won their first ever men's swimming title.

Congrats to the Comet swimmers.

Do people realize just how incredible a turnaround this is for Olivet swimming.   Seriously, I didn't even know they had a pool.

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I believe Ziggy is right, 2 years ago for Tri-state was not counted as an official year in the MIAA also I thought I had heard that they were a DII school before joining the MIAA.

Tri-State was an NAIA II member and played in the Wolverine--Hoosier Athletic Conference with Aquinas and Cornerstone.

TSU was the first to leave the WHAC followed by UM-Dearborn and Spring Arbor.

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I believe Ziggy is right, 2 years ago for Tri-state was not counted as an official year in the MIAA also I thought I had heard that they were a DII school before joining the MIAA.

Tri-State was an NAIA II member and played in the Wolverine--Hoosier Athletic Conference with Aquinas and Cornerstone.

TSU was the first to leave the WHAC followed by UM-Dearborn and Spring Arbor.

UM-Dearborn is listed as a current conference member
http://www.whac.net/Scores/MBasketball/mbb.htm

Seeing the standings really makes me scratch my head about Albion's loss to UM-Dearborn.  They are 2-10 in conference while Aquinas paces the league with a 10-2 mark.  Considering Albion should be able to beat Aquinas, they really shouldn't have lost to UM-D.

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No its right, TSU is in year 2 of provisional status.  Second year as a member of the MIAA, they are not eligible for NCAA play but can win the MIAA Championship.

Which by the way brings up another issue, why are they allowed to compete in the conference tournament if they can't accept the AQ.

Last year was they're first official year in the league, in 04 they played a tune-up MIAA schedule.......mostly because I think the WHAC schools all dropped them.

On an off-basketball topic, Olivet College won their first ever men's swimming title.

Congrats to the Comet swimmers.

Do people realize just how incredible a turnaround this is for Olivet swimming.   Seriously, I didn't even know they had a pool.

I dont think their students know they even have a basketball team

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They do know about the hoops team--if only to complain more about the losing.