MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Gregory Sager]

I just don't see Hope going with a candidate that is just looking to get another notch in their belt on the way up.

... which is why I suspect that Ziggy is right about Hope's search committee doing due diligence in terms of trying to parse the intentions and motives of every candidate for the job. Still, that's not a foolproof process. Any candidate is going to play it tight to the vest in an interview and say all the right things about looking to stay at Hope for a long time. Hiring an insider with a Hope pedigree (e.g., Neil or Carlson) would lessen the possibility that GVW's successor would leave soon thereafter for a more prestigious or higher-paying or scholarship-wielding job, but it wouldn't guarantee it.

[ziggy]

Starting a new coaching job is hard enough under the best of condidtions, but having the added burden of replacing a legend makes it infinitely more difficult.   Whomever takes the position is going to be compared to GVW.

Just have sac forbid such talk. I don't see the big problem.

[realist]

This is the type of candidate that I think will catch Hope's eye
I don't know the man, never meet the man, and don't have any idea if this guy will apply, but just seems like the type person likely to get the job.

Central College, Pella Iowa.  RCA everything is a good match

Mike Boschee
Head coach
2010 Iowa Conference coach of the year


Mike Boschee, entering his eighth season at Central College, was named the 2010 Iowa Conference coach of the year after guiding the Dutch to their 16th league championship and their ninth NCAA Division III tournament berth, the most of any Iowa Conference school.


When Boschee took the helm in 2003, he inherited a squad that had endured back-to-back 5-21 campaigns, but he steadily turned the Dutch program around, restoring it to its traditional role as a championship contender. His squads posted a 50-28 record over the past three seasons and Central set a school season wins record in 2009-10 with a 23-5 mark. The Dutch were 14-2 in league play, taking the crown by a four-game margin.

Central's 2010 title was its first in 15 seasons and its first outright crown since 1985.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

No one said it wasn't but we've had people who aren't even associated with Hope throwing in names of coaches from other programs and a couple high school coaches who probably aren't even going to apply thrown in the ring.........all within less than 6 hours of the announcement.

Random speculation is neither healthy nor wise, that is all hopeconvert was trying to convey.

The board is open to all and since Hope's next coach is very on-topic for this board, there's nothing wrong with discussing it. It's not the MIAA's private club or Hope's fan board.

I assume this board (and all the rest) are also open to those who are of the opinion that "Random speculation is neither healthy nor wise". 

Having just read through 4 pages of it, I could take it or leave it - I'm certainly not going to contribute to it - that's my choice.  No one has suggested that it's not allowed here, or that Hope posters, or anyone else, "owns this board".  My fellow posters were simply sharing their opinion.

[Gregory Sager]

I assume this board (and all the rest) are also open to those who are of the opinion that "Random speculation is neither healthy nor wise".

Of course. Nothing wrong with a discussion about whether the other discussion should be discussed. Hope Convert, is there a term for dialogical metanarrative?

This is the type of candidate that I think will catch Hope's eye
I don't know the man, never meet the man, and don't have any idea if this guy will apply, but just seems like the type person likely to get the job.

Central College, Pella Iowa.  RCA everything is a good match

Mike Boschee
Head coach
2010 Iowa Conference coach of the year


Mike Boschee, entering his eighth season at Central College, was named the 2010 Iowa Conference coach of the year after guiding the Dutch to their 16th league championship and their ninth NCAA Division III tournament berth, the most of any Iowa Conference school.


When Boschee took the helm in 2003, he inherited a squad that had endured back-to-back 5-21 campaigns, but he steadily turned the Dutch program around, restoring it to its traditional role as a championship contender. His squads posted a 50-28 record over the past three seasons and Central set a school season wins record in 2009-10 with a 23-5 mark. The Dutch were 14-2 in league play, taking the crown by a four-game margin.

Central's 2010 title was its first in 15 seasons and its first outright crown since 1985.

Boschee has another resume asset besides his turnaround job at Central. Prior to being hired to helm Iowa's version of the Dutch, he was an assistant coach for a program that bears a similar pedigree to Hope's in terms of being a long-time power, Gustavus Adolphus. In fact, Boschee's last game on the GAC bench was the 2003 national championship game that the Gusties lost in the final seconds to Williams.

All five Central starters this past season were seniors, so Boschee might view this as an opportune time to move on.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

I have thought for years that Chad Carlson was trying to position himself for the Hope job after GVW retired. He's still quite young but I certainly think he should be considered a strong candidate. It would certainly reflect the decision hire GVW oh so many years ago.

[ScotsFan]

There is nothing wrong with speculation. Glenn isn't dead, he's just retired. What harm can you do by speculating?

Agreed. This is open for conversation.

No one said it wasn't but we've had people who aren't even associated with Hope throwing in names of coaches from other programs and a couple high school coaches who probably aren't even going to apply thrown in the ring.........all within less than 6 hours of the announcement.

Random speculation is neither healthy nor wise, that is all hopeconvert was trying to convey.

What would you like us to talk about then, Sac?

The Tigers of course... 

[Knightmare]

Congratulations to Glenn Van Wieren upon the conclusion of a long and highly successful career. I hope that he enjoys many years of a well-deserved retirement.

There is nothing wrong with speculation. Glenn isn't dead, he's just retired. What harm can you do by speculating?

Agreed. This is open for conversation.

No one said it wasn't but we've had people who aren't even associated with Hope throwing in names of coaches from other programs

Nothing wrong with that. This is an open forum, and there's no rule that says that supporters of other programs can't chime in with their own speculation as to the possible successor of Glenn Van Wieren or any other departing head coach. The natural response when a coach leaves a program is to start thinking out loud as to whom his successor might be, whether it be candidates from inside or from outside the program.

As far as the Hope fans vs. outsiders thing goes, I can see why Hope folks might be miffed at the fact that Bob and Chuck took GVW's departure as an opportunity to start an irrelevant back-and-forth in this room about Illinois Wesleyan basketball coaches, but that's hardly unusual d3boards.com behavior. Those of us who participate in multiple rooms bring our own schools into discussions all the time. It's only human ... and there's really no protocol that says that you can't do it. Hey, look at the bright side -- at least they weren't using GVW's retirement as an opportunity to talk about Calvin coaching changes.

and a couple high school coaches who probably aren't even going to apply thrown in the ring.........all within less than 6 hours of the announcement.

Random speculation is neither healthy nor wise, that is all hopeconvert was trying to convey.

I disagree completely. Not healthy? Not wise? As the Dean said:

I don't see the un-wisdom or un-health in idle review of the situation on an un-official message board with people who are in no way involved with any sort of decision making.

How could anything that is said in this room possibly affect Hope's search process? We're all just a bunch of outsiders with extremely limited information and no access to the inner workings of the process. And this is a public discussion board, where anything that is said is taken by school administrators with not a grain of salt, but a handful of it. Lastly, this kind of topic is exactly why d3boards.com exists in the first place. Why put the kibosh on what could be the liveliest discussion of a very long off-season?

If you think about it, it's a compliment to both GVW and to Hope that his retirement has spearheaded such active interest and so much debate in this room. It's also a compliment to the MIAA and to the dedication and passion of its fans that participate in this room; contrast it with the crickets chirping in the UAA room, where the retirement of another legendary coach, Mike Neer of Rochester, hasn't spawned a tenth as much of a discussion as GVW's has in here.

By the way, Erm Schmigget's 11:00 am post was very well-thought-out and informative. Kudos.

This also has represented my thoughts on the discussion of possible recruiting classes each spring.  If you start discussing recruiting some folks here act like you're making the decision for these kids or influencing it in some way.  I don't think anyone on the board is that important (hope no one takes offense to that as I include myself as well) to be able to influence a recruits chose.  That is unless some of you are a "friend of the program" and if that's the case then shame on you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMF-YE3UB4s

The spring and summer is when everyone can think about what might be, hope springs eternal.  It is why the off season hot stove league is so popular in baseball.  It isn't a crime to speculate on potential coaches or players, that's what makes us all passionate fans.

[cmlundy]

How many people out there think it'll be Chad Carlson?

[sac]

There is nothing wrong with speculation. Glenn isn't dead, he's just retired. What harm can you do by speculating?

Agreed. This is open for conversation.

No one said it wasn't but we've had people who aren't even associated with Hope throwing in names of coaches from other programs and a couple high school coaches who probably aren't even going to apply thrown in the ring.........all within less than 6 hours of the announcement.

Random speculation is neither healthy nor wise, that is all hopeconvert was trying to convey.

What would you like us to talk about then, Sac?

I just ask people be smart about it and not irresponsibly throw names around, especially those who might already have very good jobs with employers they'd like to remain having a good relationship with.

I have never said you or anyone can't talk about anything.

[Gregory Sager]

There is nothing wrong with speculation. Glenn isn't dead, he's just retired. What harm can you do by speculating?

Agreed. This is open for conversation.

No one said it wasn't but we've had people who aren't even associated with Hope throwing in names of coaches from other programs and a couple high school coaches who probably aren't even going to apply thrown in the ring.........all within less than 6 hours of the announcement.

Random speculation is neither healthy nor wise, that is all hopeconvert was trying to convey.

What would you like us to talk about then, Sac?

I just ask people be smart about it and not irresponsibly throw names around, especially those who might already have very good jobs with employers they'd like to remain having a good relationship with.

I have never said you or anyone can't talk about anything.

I think that you're greatly overestimating the impact that this discussion can have, either upon the Hope hiring process itself or upon the employer/employee relationship of any of the coaches whose names have been bruited about in here. Again, any topic of speculation on d3boards.com is taken with a handful of salt by college administrators. The general perception is that we're by and large a harmless bunch of uninformed or semi-informed fans who tend to talk a lot about stuff about which we know nothing. I have been participating on these boards for a dozen years, and I have yet to hear of an instance in which idle fan chatter on d3boards. com damaged a coach's job status -- unless it was the coach himself who was doing the chattering.

I very, very seriously doubt that Mike DeWitt or Mike Boschee will be called on the carpet by their respective ADs just because a bunch of bozos on a discussion board who are completely out of the Hope administrative loop have broached their names as possible replacements for Glenn Van Wieren at Hope.

[Bob MacKenzie]

Another wild, speculative (but hopefully harmless) thought...
Former KVS assistant Chris Fear has been toiling at tiny NAIA Dana College for the last 10 years.  Dana was just bought out by a "for profit" organization and the future of their athletic programs is very much in doubt.  Fear hasn't seen much success at Dana, but he's probably done a lot better than most would have at an college that has been incapable of providing any significant institutional support.  He certainly knows Hope, DIII and the MIAA from his time at Calvin.

Given that he's not from the "family", I'd call it a real long shot, but I wouldn't be surprised if he threw his hat in the ring.

[almcguirejr]

I very, very seriously doubt that Mike DeWitt or Mike Boschee will be called on the carpet by their respective ADs just because a bunch of bozos on a discussion board who are completely out of the Hope administrative loop have broached their names as possible replacements for Glenn Van Wieren at Hope.

"bozos,"  who? us?

[sac]

Rockford Sr. to be Ryan Majerle has decided to follow UWGB's coach to The University of Toledo.  He had committed to the Phoenix earlier this winter.


from last spring

I also learned that Steve Majerle's son Ryan can play,

Ryan's only a sophomore. I haven't seen him play yet but I've been told he's pretty good--maybe too good for D3, much like VanDussen who will be playing on a bigger stage this weekend now that Zeeland East has advanced to the Breslin.

My initial impression of Ryan Majerle is that as a Soph he has the look of someone who could play at a higher level than D3, taking into account his likely development and growth.

[Civic Minded]

Speaking only from my point of view, it just seems like we Hope fans need a day or two or three of mourning.   Unless you've had the opportunity to meet Coach Van Wieren and get to know his heart, you really can't imagine what the loss means to those of us who have. 

Given the history of coaches at Hope, I'm sure those responsible will choose very carefully and wisely.  They are not just filling a coaching position, or a teaching position.  That's the secret of what has made Hope a great entity in d3 hoops.  It's about so much more than the game.

Thanks Coach for my personal 32 years of memories w/ you at the helm.  I'm a better person for the experience.