MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

The other schools involved in the Hope coaching search have to be bothered somewhat by the length of time Hope is taking to reach a decision.  A coach hired at Hope now has about 3 months to sell a house and get his family moved.

If another school has to replace their coach it does not give them a lot of time to do a search and get a new person settled.

Thats life......

More evidence of sac's plumbing...................

Thats between me and my doctor.


Isn't it life?  I fail to see how any of what almc posted should be Hope's concern or factor into their decision making process.


Two things won't be said during this process

"We should really speed this up or else our candidate won't be able to sell their house and the other school (if there is another school) should have time to find a replacement"

and

"I'm sorry I can't accept the position, I simply don't have enough time to sell my house."

[ziggy]

They're just giving stars away now.

They are just trying to keep up with the Nobel Foundation's Peace Prize

[ChicagoHopeNut]

The other schools involved in the Hope coaching search have to be bothered somewhat by the length of time Hope is taking to reach a decision.  A coach hired at Hope now has about 3 months to sell a house and get his family moved.

If another school has to replace their coach it does not give them a lot of time to do a search and get a new person settled.

Thats life......

More evidence of sac's plumbing...................

Thats between me and my doctor.


Isn't it life?  I fail to see how any of what almc posted should be Hope's concern or factor into their decision making process.


Two things won't be said during this process

"We should really speed this up or else our candidate won't be able to sell their house and the other school (if there is another school) should have time to find a replacement"

and

"I'm sorry I can't accept the position, I simply don't have enough time to sell my house."

I'm with sac on this one. Hope has the right to take all the time in the world to make their decision just like the next school will. Anyone that would turn down a head coaching job based on the amount of time they had to "settle in" before the school year was probably a bad fit for Hope or any other school anyways.

[northb]

So do folks think that Hope is taking too long to make a decision?  Or that whatever amount they take is the right amount of time?  When the process started, did you expect a decision to be made by now?  Or were you expecting it to be longer than this?  When would be too long? Or not long enough? and why?

I have no horse in this race, just trying to center the discussion.

[goodknight]

The real estate question is probably a moot point.  Housing prices in Michigan are, shall we say, "buyer friendly."  And there's plenty of inventory from which to choose.  It's part of what makes Holland a happy place, unless, of course, you choose to move from the Tulip City to the even happier (and more expensive) environs of Boulder.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Personally, I would have liked to see a hire by now and certainly would hope it comes before the end of the week.  That said I don't think the long search for a head coach is nearly as meaningful at the D3 level as it is at D1. 

[Happy Calvin Guy]

So do folks think that Hope is taking too long to make a decision?  Or that whatever amount they take is the right amount of time?  When the process started, did you expect a decision to be made by now?  Or were you expecting it to be longer than this?  When would be too long? Or not long enough? and why?

I have no horse in this race, just trying to center the discussion.

It's been less than seven weeks since the GVW retirement announcement.   Considering the logistical process involved with posting for a new faculty/coaching position, all the interested parties within Hope, and the magnitude of a decision like this (Hope does tend to stick with a men's basketball coach for a while), it doesn't seem to me like it's taking Hope too long.  I also wonder if it makes sense for the new coach to finish out the current academic year at his current school before announcing that he's leaving.  This would also lead me to believe that Hope is going for an external candidate rather than Mr. Neil.

[sac]

So do folks think that Hope is taking too long to make a decision?  Or that whatever amount they take is the right amount of time?  When the process started, did you expect a decision to be made by now?  Or were you expecting it to be longer than this?  When would be too long? Or not long enough? and why?

I have no horse in this race, just trying to center the discussion.

I'm  positive no timetable was ever made public.  As a fan, I'm happy they are going through a thorough process rather than a snap decision.  I'm confident they'll find who they feel is best prepared to lead the next phase of Hope's basketball program.  Even if that person was one seat over, or two two or three states over.

Remember the person in charge of this committee was also simultaneously searching for a softball coach and faculty member, a process that lengthened out to the point the job requirements were changed.  Mr. Northuis has been a busy man these last two months.

This is what......week 6, thats not very long at all really.  In D3 I don't really think the basketball coach has many duties during the summer relevant to basketball.   It would seem it would be better, for a lot of reasons, to have a coach in place before the summer camps start........and before the summer league seasons started.  Whether thats really important or not is kind of a personal preference I suppose.

I would think the team members would like to know as soon as possible, with the hopes they could meet with the new coach and get a blueprint for their off-season conditioning or individual skill improvement goals.



When Alma had to replace Kohtala a couple years ago they went from late June to late August before hiring Smith.   But the timing and circumstances couldn't have been worse for Alma at that time.

btw......Ed is now an assistant at Maine.    http://goblackbears.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/kohtala_ed00.html

[ChicagoHopeNut]

I think a really important point that I hadn't fully considered is that Hope is hiring a faculty member and not just a coach. My expectation is that would make the process longer and more difficult. I know Hope often wants prospective professors to come in and teach a few classes so they can be observed in the classroom.  With school out that probably will not be possible in this case but it may increase the due diligence of the new coaches' professorial duties.

Also as sac mentioned it doesn't seem a D3 coach has a ton of publicly obvious summer responsibilities so I don't think the need to fill the job quickly is that important at the D3 level. 

[ziggy]

So do folks think that Hope is taking too long to make a decision?  Or that whatever amount they take is the right amount of time?  When the process started, did you expect a decision to be made by now?  Or were you expecting it to be longer than this?  When would be too long? Or not long enough? and why?

When Alma had to replace Kohtala a couple years ago they went from late June to late August before hiring Smith.   But the timing and circumstances couldn't have been worse for Alma at that time.

btw......Ed is now an assistant at Maine.    http://goblackbears.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/kohtala_ed00.html

There's your answer northb, Alma is Hope's measuring stick.

[cmlundy]

I think a really important point that I hadn't fully considered is that Hope is hiring a faculty member and not just a coach. My expectation is that would make the process longer and more difficult. I know Hope often wants prospective professors to come in and teach a few classes so they can be observed in the classroom.  With school out that probably will not be possible in this case but it may increase the due diligence of the new coaches' professorial duties.

Also as sac mentioned it doesn't seem a D3 coach has a ton of publicly obvious summer responsibilities so I don't think the need to fill the job quickly is that important at the D3 level. 

I was just thinking the same thing.  Most schools will be out in the next two weeks so I would guess maybe the announcement would be in the first 2 weeks of June.

[Gregory Sager]

The real estate question is probably a moot point.  Housing prices in Michigan are, shall we say, "buyer friendly."  And there's plenty of inventory from which to choose.  It's part of what makes Holland a happy place, unless, of course, you choose to move from the Tulip City to the even happier (and more expensive) environs of Boulder.

"Boulder?! Honey, I wouldn't even italic her!"

[goodknight]

The real estate question is probably a moot point.  Housing prices in Michigan are, shall we say, "buyer friendly."  And there's plenty of inventory from which to choose.  It's part of what makes Holland a happy place, unless, of course, you choose to move from the Tulip City to the even happier (and more expensive) environs of Boulder.

"Boulder?! Honey, I wouldn't even italic her!"

Plus k (for best use of condiments in a randy pun posting)

[oldknight]

Having been on several search committees in my life (though not for a basketball coach), I agree that 6 weeks is not a long time for Hope to come to a decision. On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that on the morning of April 13, Glenn woke up, turned to his wife and said "Gee honey, today's the day I think I should tell President Bultman I'm retiring." I expect the Prez' got an early heads up so that he could do as much spade work as possible in advance of the public announcement.

That said, if this drags into June that may not be good news for Hope. I have to believe the longer this goes on the more difficult it becomes for Hope to get their number one candidate if that candidate is a current head coach at the college level. I don't imagine another college would be happy to find out they will have to replace their head basketball coach at this late date, and that's what another school would be facing if Hope plucks someone from the head coaching ranks of another D3 institution.

[ziggy]

Having been on several search committees in my life (though not for a basketball coach), I agree that 6 weeks is not a long time for Hope to come to a decision. On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that on the morning of April 13, Glenn woke up, turned to his wife and said "Gee honey, today's the day I think I should tell President Bultman I'm retiring." I expect the Prez' got an early heads up so that he could do as much spade work as possible in advance of the public announcement.

That said, if this drags into June that may not be good news for Hope. I have to believe the longer this goes on the more difficult it becomes for Hope to get their number one candidate if that candidate is a current head coach at the college level. I don't imagine another college would be happy to find out they will have to replace their head basketball coach at this late date, and that's what another school would be facing if Hope plucks someone from the head coaching ranks of another D3 institution.

Shall we go 'round the gordian knot again?
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