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almcguirejr

Quote from: Happy Calvin Guy on June 04, 2010, 11:14:51 AM
Quote from: Knight In Iraq on June 03, 2010, 02:45:18 PM
Michael Fabiyi from Gary IN West Side HS is coming to Calvin next year. A 6-3 guard was being recruited by Ivy League schools such as Cornell, Penn, and Columbia.

Probably fall back options for him in case he didn't get into Calvin.

Nice!

sac

Quote from: KnightSlappy on June 04, 2010, 11:22:41 AM
Quote from: Happy Calvin Guy on June 04, 2010, 11:13:07 AM
Quote from: cmlundy on June 04, 2010, 08:35:48 AM
If that was the case that Armondo juggled the ball then it should not had been a base hit it should had been E 1
An error would still would ruin the perfect game.  He could still have the no-hitter but those are much more common than perfect games.  (266 in history vs 20 perfect games).

In the case of a juggle (which the official scorer and umpire have both said did not occur) a hit could still have been awarded in that situation (altough it's unlikely that it would have been scored a hit if a no-hitter was at stake). A close play involving the pitcher reaching behind himself while catching the ball on the move while having to find the base blind could be ruled as requiring "extraordinary effort."

The official scorer said it wasn't an error......they have 24 hours to change a call and he stated within hours afterward that it wasn't an error.

KnightSlappy

Quote from: sac on June 04, 2010, 11:40:23 AM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on June 04, 2010, 11:22:41 AM
Quote from: Happy Calvin Guy on June 04, 2010, 11:13:07 AM
Quote from: cmlundy on June 04, 2010, 08:35:48 AM
If that was the case that Armondo juggled the ball then it should not had been a base hit it should had been E 1
An error would still would ruin the perfect game.  He could still have the no-hitter but those are much more common than perfect games.  (266 in history vs 20 perfect games).

In the case of a juggle (which the official scorer and umpire have both said did not occur) a hit could still have been awarded in that situation (altough it's unlikely that it would have been scored a hit if a no-hitter was at stake). A close play involving the pitcher reaching behind himself while catching the ball on the move while having to find the base blind could be ruled as requiring "extraordinary effort."

The official scorer said it wasn't an error......they have 24 hours to change a call and he stated within hours afterward that it wasn't an error.

Yep. Mr. Joyce has stated that he did not think Armando juggled the ball and that he thought the runner simply beat the throw.

Chuck Klonke (the official scorer) said this:

"It didn't appear to me that Galarraga ever lost control of the ball. It was in his glove. I couldn't say he was juggling it. He closed the glove on it. I don't think it would warrant calling an error. I don't think there will be any changes on that."

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/official-scorer-could-change-call-on-armando-galarraga-near-perfect-game-060210

ziggy

Quote from: sac on June 03, 2010, 09:46:24 PM
Quote from: realist on June 03, 2010, 08:09:01 PM
 
I like Hoopdreams choice of the words amusing and laughable.   :)


I think most of us know whats been amusing and laughable.

This?


ziggy

Quote from: ChicagoHopeNut on June 04, 2010, 10:17:04 AM
At the risk of being the contrarian Hope fan. I see some very good points from some of the other posters. At some point, a potential coach has to step back and say if Hope can't make a decision and make a hire do I really want to go. Living with the cloud of whether you'll need to pick up and pack your family has to get old at some point.

I have no idea how accurate hoopdreams or anyone else's "information" is but I do feel comfortable saying that after 5 weeks Hope should have been able to make a hire.

Quite contrarian, in fact. It appears the process is following the vision set forth by Campus Ministries:
QuoteIn the history of every tree a decisive moment occurs when a seed dramatically transforms itself into something new, a moment that the seed can take root and break through the darkness in the hopeful stretch for the light.  Though Campus Ministries recognizes this sudden transformation in a seed, we also recognize that long-term growth towards maturity requires patience.  It takes a long time to grow from a seed to a rooted tree.
http://grow.hope.edu/vision/index.html

sac

Quote from: ziggy on June 04, 2010, 02:21:15 PM
Quote from: ChicagoHopeNut on June 04, 2010, 10:17:04 AM
At the risk of being the contrarian Hope fan. I see some very good points from some of the other posters. At some point, a potential coach has to step back and say if Hope can't make a decision and make a hire do I really want to go. Living with the cloud of whether you'll need to pick up and pack your family has to get old at some point.

I have no idea how accurate hoopdreams or anyone else's "information" is but I do feel comfortable saying that after 5 weeks Hope should have been able to make a hire.

Quite contrarian, in fact. It appears the process is following the vision set forth by Campus Ministries:
QuoteIn the history of every tree a decisive moment occurs when a seed dramatically transforms itself into something new, a moment that the seed can take root and break through the darkness in the hopeful stretch for the light.  Though Campus Ministries recognizes this sudden transformation in a seed, we also recognize that long-term growth towards maturity requires patience.  It takes a long time to grow from a seed to a rooted tree.
http://grow.hope.edu/vision/index.html

Thats some deep digging for that one.

Knight81

Quote from: Knight In Iraq on June 03, 2010, 02:45:18 PM
Michael Fabiyi from Gary IN West Side HS is coming to Calvin next year. A 6-3 guard was being recruited by Ivy League schools such as Cornell, Penn, and Columbia. Saw a couple videos of him and he appears to be extremely athletic and a really solid defender.

Here is a really nice article on him

http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/indiana/article_6a1a0187-9d3f-55ce-acb2-530033216491.html

Sounds like another great pickup by Calvin. Decent size, and I like the athleticism and defensive ability. KVS has laid a great foundation with these last 2 recruiting classes.

HopeConvert

Quote from: sac on June 03, 2010, 09:40:49 PM
Indirectly Selig has taken the pressure off Joyce by making himself the villen.


This was a headline from Mlive today, "Bud Selig says Armando Galarraga's bid for perfect game 'should have ended differently'"

Someone should tell Bud he's the one who can make that happen.

I don't see how Selig was a villain. Frankly, I can't believe they even contemplated changing the call. It would have been an absurdity to do so. This is life. Breaks go against you sometime.

Calvin posters would have been calling for the MIAA the day after to reverse the charging call against Veldhouse.
One Mississippi, Two Mississippi...

hopefan

I disagree hopeconvert  (respectfully)...   The commish has the power....  a wrong could have made right....  sometimes, just sometimes, it makes sense....
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Knight In The Stan

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"Calvin posters would have been calling for the MIAA the day after to reverse the charging call against Veldhouse".


I can't believe you brought that up, I am still hurting from that one.

goodknight

Quote from: Knight In Iraq on June 06, 2010, 03:49:18 PM




"Calvin posters would have been calling for the MIAA the day after to reverse the charging call against Veldhouse".


I can't believe you brought that up, I am still hurting from that one.

Calvin fans are not that sluggish or slothful.  The petition to reverse that dreadful call would have gone out that very evening. ;)

Mr. Ypsi

Not comparable.  Blocking/charging fouls are inherently somewhat subjective.

This situation was almost certainly 100% unique.  What are the odds of an erroneous call on the 27th out of a perfect game, that EVERYONE agrees was a blown call, and where the pitcher then immediately gets out #28 (guaranteeing that NOTHING changes, except that his 28th victim would now have a BA .001 higher ;)).

Worries about 'precedent' are, IMO, totally overblown.  Bud Light could have done the right thing, and made the ruling so tightly that precedent is a non-issue.

On the other hand, Armando Galarraga will be remembered far longer than Dallas Braden! ;D

KnightSlappy

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 06, 2010, 06:08:53 PM
Not comparable.  Blocking/charging fouls are inherently somewhat subjective.

This situation was almost certainly 100% unique.  What are the odds of an erroneous call on the 27th out of a perfect game, that EVERYONE agrees was a blown call, and where the pitcher then immediately gets out #28 (guaranteeing that NOTHING changes, except that his 28th victim would now have a BA .001 higher ;)).

Worries about 'precedent' are, IMO, totally overblown.  Bud Light could have done the right thing, and made the ruling so tightly that precedent is a non-issue.

On the other hand, Armando Galarraga will be remembered far longer than Dallas Braden! ;D

Exactly. The difference between this call and all the other examples that some say would also need to be overturned is that this play would have been the end of the game, and the next play was the end of the game. In all other cases, there were subsequent events that either also changed the course of the game or might have changed the course of the game.

realist

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ChicagoHopeNut

I think this is the week. Gut feeling but I feel Hope will bring closure to the coaching search by Friday.
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