MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[KnightSlappy]

Hard to say at this time, but it probably will be difficult for 3 MIAA teams to get into NCAA.  If Hope makes it to MIAA tourney title game they should be a lock win or lose.  Either Calvin or Albion probably need to win it all before they relax.

I don't think that Hope is any more assured of an NCAA appearance than Calvin is.  In the eyes of "The Committee" Calvin only has on one loss. I think that both teams (Calvin and Hope) are virtual 'locks' for the tourney and can even see a situation where Calvin and/or Hope misses the MIAA finals and still make the Big Dance.  I do think that Albion will have to win the MIAA Tournament to get in but maybe a win over Hope in the semis will be enough.

[sac]

Calvin is no longer the baby Knights, they are the Championship Knights.

Calvin --In
Hope --In
Albion ---where to begin, I'm sorry to say the question might not be whether Albion will be in the NCAA tournament but whether they'll be in MIAA semi's.  This team cracked last night.  They are in some trouble.   But I'm counting on a serious regroup and a Hope/Albion matchup next Fri.

But with that said a win Saturday means they'll have a maximum of 6 losses and only 4 count against them in the NCAA's eyes.  In other boards they're talking 7 in-region loss teams getting looks (which I personaly find hard to believe).  Albion would have just 4

The question I have is that the way Pool C works is that each Region can only present 1 team at a time for Pool C consideration.......Albion will come up very late in the conversation if at all.  They won't be ranked next week.

If all the favorites in the GL Region win their respective AQ's....Wittenberg, Hope would be the first two discussed.  Albion would be Pool C #3 from the GL and that would be above average nationally.  IF any upset happens in the OAC Albion could be toast.......so root for Bald Wally.   NCAC and MIAA upsets wouldn't hurt Albion as long as its Witt or Hope......should Wabash or Kzoo win it they'd be out, definately.

It'll be close.......maybe too close.  Personally I think they're still very much in it.  But they have to play well in the next 9 days.  Back when the tournament was 64 teams is was pretty common to see 18 and 19 win teams get at large bids.  20 seems like the appropriate cutoff for 59.



----There was a time when the 4500 seat Calvin Fieldhouse was just right........of course there were about 100 kids from Grand Rapids Christian on that team. 

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[GoKnights68]

Is it me or do Albion fans' posts have a little sense of anger in them over the past couple of days?

[realist]

Tniem: You make some excellent points.  Frankly it is a bit surprising/disappointing to me that only three games have been sell outs.  You are correct that it does look a bit empty in Knollcrest with only 300 there, but they don't fold out the north bleachers or the upper decks so it is a bit cozier.  My point was one should never build a church, stadium, fieldhouse, gym, motel, hospital, etc. etc. based on 100% occupancy.  A more realistic number might be 70%, and then only at peak times.   70% of 3200 is roughly 2240.  If Hope's men's b-ball team is averaging much more than that this year one can make a case the De Vos may have been built too small.  Then again the administration may think the men's b-ball team has peaked so this is as good as it is going to get!!
Sac:  Knollcrest fieldhouse was built when Calvin's enrollment was lower than Hope's this year.  In the early years the fieldhouse was the site of H.S. basketball tournament games.  In the late 60's 70's and 80's it was the site of many memorable H.S. contests.  One example would be South Christian with Matt Stegenga, and Calvin Christian with J Voskuil.  Did you attend any of the D3 final 4's that were held there?  Attendance at sporting (and other) events in the fieldhouse has waxed, and waned over the years, but if you asked the persons responsible for making it that size I am sure they would say they would do it again   If one were to multiply the number of sellouts in the fieldhouse (over 40 years) by the 1300 seat difference between it, and the De Vos, at say $ 5.00 per seat it wasn't such a bad investment.  Like field of dreams, "if you build it they will come".    

[Flea]

It seems to me as though Calvin College may have decided how much gym/classroom space they wanted ... four basketball courts (east, west, main) and a side court for volleyball (north) ... and dropped bleachers in the empty spaces ... they ended up seating 4,500 a result of the perceived academic and recreational needs of the faculty and students.

Just a theory.

Will Calvin's refit of their field house result in an increase or decrease of the seating?

[sac]

If they make them permanent, ie chair backs.....I'd assume it would drop.

Hope and Calvin could end up with similar sized venues.

[goodknight]

I've heard that the retrofit of Calvin's Fieldhouse will lower the seating capacity to 3,500, but that's only hearsay.  I imagine that they'll find a way to squeeze in several hundred more fannies for the Hope game and tournament games that the Knights host.

[Shareef23]

I don't even think integrity is the issue, there is no integrity in business and if a new guy comes into an organzition and starts makeing contributions even though it might affect your personal stading in the organition.  You deal and move on.  Happens everyday in the real world.

Good real world life lesson for some guys.

Sorry, to keep rehashing this issue, but I have to put in my two cents. Hope is a Christian school and by comparing a Christian college and the business world speaks volumes of your school. Your post pretty much states that because there is no integrity in business and that's how the real world is, it justifies Hope College doing the same, because it teaches the players a life lesson. I am pretty sure part of being a Christian is living in the world, but not being part of the world. Business or basketball Christians are held to the responsibily of maintaining integrity.
The real nonissue here is talking about what KVS would do. None of us can speak for him or know what he would do. The fact is that it makes no difference, because that is not the situation. My point is that when things like this arise, you get the chance to show your true colors. By the looks of it, it seems that GVW is willing to compromise the program's integrity for a chance for a banner.
Yes, it would be hard to watch DVS sitting on the bench for Calvin. There's no doubt I would love to see him out there, but not at the cost of compromising the integrity the school. Maybe you don't think that integrity has anything to do with it, but others do. Those people have lose respect for Hope's program, because of DVS playing. I guess I just don't understand the sense in taking such a risk. What happeaned to the whole chemistry thing GVW was preaching. Does that go out the window with one loss?  Or was it just a lie in the first place? I don't get how you can say that and then play the kid two weeks later. Maybe DVS will put Hope over the top and give them that ellusive Nationaal Champions, but it will always be tainted in some peoples eyes.  

[oldknight]

From the configuration of the remodel at Knollcrest it looks like the number of available seats will have to go down. Some of the losses will be due to the fact that a walkway will completely surround the gymnasium passing right through the north bleachers. I went to a fundraising lunch last year and was given the estimated revised number of seats that will be available after the rebuild and I don't remember the number but I think 3500 is too low. It seems to me they gave a number closer to 4000.

[NW Hope Fan]

The real nonissue here is talking about what KVS would do.

I just went to the local Christian bookstore and ordered a WWKVSD bracelet. I went a little crazy and got mine in Orange and Blue.   

[sac]

Yes please lets rehash this complete non-isssue  

blah blah blah integrity this integrity that.  Way to pull a quote complelely out of the context of the argument.


VandeStreek walks on water I guess.

ridiculous.

I'm sorry our little school doesn't live up to pious high standards there in Calvin.  Your angel coach, fans and players are above us all.  Should I bow humbly before the patrons the next time I walk into the Fieldhouse?  Am I worthy?

Please this is such a stupid ridiculous argument.

The kids played 17 minutes and it took 5 weeks to see the floor.  Give it a rest its such on non-issue.


"Business or basketball Christians are held to the responsibily of maintaining integrity. "

Well lets say there are some who aren't holding up there end of the bargain and they hold degress from Christian Colleges.

[sac]

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I just went to the local Christian bookstore and ordered a WWKVSD bracelet. I went a little crazy and got mine in Orange and blue.

If I could I'd give you 10 Karma points for that one NWHopefan. Much better than my little tirade.

unbelievable.

[big_yellow_hat]

As a used to be architecture major and a big fan of stadium design I have looked over the proposed plans many times, so a couple of comments. 

The drawings in the field house are not the final plans but actually just sketches of the proposal/possibilities for the renovation and new wellness center.  While some of the features of the drawings will show up in the actual plans some will not, a.k.a. the water slide in the new pool seems highly unlikely on a tight budget.  Also I know at one point they were thinking of putting tennis courts on one of the levels of the wellness center instead of covering the current ones. 

As for the stadium part, the only additional fixed seating on the sketches is in the north section while this would reduce the seating in that area it doesn't seem by very much as the plans show for increased width to the north section making it close to a horseshoe type shape instead of a distinct section like it is now (this would add some seating). 

Overall it's important to understand that these are more like pr drawings inorder to provide interest and to get the ball rolling than actual fixed plans.  There was also considerable debate over how the new building would affect the wood lot around the field house and these drawing helped to ease the situation by showing the possibilities for conservation of the wood lot.

In the end I think a lot of it will come down to money as it seems the college is having a hard time raising funds.  While the drawings show many new and needed improvements for a school of Calvin's size, the real thing will probably end up being much less elaborate than the current plan (which would be a shame).

[imderekpoe]

But with that said a win Saturday means they'll have a maximum of 6 losses and only 4 count against them in the NCAA's eyes.  In other boards they're talking 7 in-region loss teams getting looks (which I personaly find hard to believe).  Albion would have just 4

You can't just compare losses.  Don't forget that Albion plays fewer in-region games that most teams, so they'll also have fewer wins.

I'm no expert, and I certainly don't know how things will shake out with the additional spots available but I'd think that Albion really needs to win the conference tourney to get in. 

[ziggy]

You can't just compare losses.  Don't forget that Albion plays fewer in-region games that most teams, so they'll also have fewer wins.

Calvin is 10-1 in Region while Albion is 10-3.  Albion has MORE in region games and the SAME number of wins.  I'd like to see Albion get in because I'm interested in what they can do against some of the other teams but I think they have made it hard for themselves to get a spot, short of winning the conference tournament.