MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[David Collinge]

In my analysis, at present Albion is behind Wooster, Wittenberg, B-W, Hope, Calvin, CMU, and Lake Erie in the Pool C cafeteria line in the Great Lakes.  Now, as many as five of these teams may snag Pool A bids, but nothing is guaranteed.  I'd say if Albion doesn't win the MIAA tournament, they need to pray hard for other conference tournaments to play according to form--especially the AMCC tournament.  I've posted more on this elsewhere, I think in the Pool C board. 

[MIdoubleA]

Calvin is 10-1 in Region while Albion is 10-3.  Albion has MORE in region games and the SAME number of wins.  I'd like to see Albion get in because I'm interested in what they can do against some of the other teams but I think they have made it hard for themselves to get a spot, short of winning the conference tournament.

Me too ziggy, I wonder what other teams would do with Albion without having the luxury of seeing them twice in a season.

[sac]

All right I'm angy enough I can't sleep so I'm going to tirade a little.

This is a personal story and it relates to the questioning of personal integrity and character of people from my alma mater, which I'm very proud to have attended, graduated and hold a degree from. (someday I'll use it  )

As you may or may not know my father passed away 3 weeks ago this Saturday.  The Tuesday following his passing was our third visitation in two days.  A certain coach who's integrity and character has been questioned over and over by people on this board over petty issues, drove miles out of his way to the visitation on the off chance he could pay his respects and speak with my Uncle who he's known since the early 70's.  He knew he would get there at a time we wouldn't be there, but he still went, he signed the book and left one of the nicest notes to my Uncle we received.  I know for a fact my Uncle was very impressed by this act.

As well as Glenn, the AD and a past administrator who both have parts of DeVos named after them came to the visitation to also pay their respects and meet with my Uncle, again people he's known for years but rarely saw.  These are people who have touched and influenced more lives in a positive way than 99% of could ever will.  They drove 2 hours just for this purpose.  Does this sound like leaders of a school without character or integrity?

Since my graduation we've gone to just about every Hope/Albion game in Albion........Glenn always made sure to say hello to us, every time..........and for that matter so did Mike Turner.

I'm tired of this stupid bickering about the coach and whether he has integrity for letting a 20 year old play the game he loves.  Its stupid and if anything is tainted, its these posts that are tainted with jealousy.  Because you know you'd love to have him play for you.  None of this BS about KVS not playing him, thats bull........and you know it.
The kid loses a half year of eligibility if he doesn't play, your man would have done the same thing, but would he have waited 5 weeks?

All this stupid questioning of integrity is about a 20 year old kid who wanted a change in life, and a new direction, and he's getting it.  Years down the road no one, and I mean no one will care one bit about this stupid little drama some of you have created. 

Get off your damn high horses, Glenn's not perfect, I'm not perfect, your not perfect, and your God like coach isn't perfect.........wouldn't the "christian" thing to do have been to sit Draayer for the 2nd half and repent his sin?

Let it go, he's playing for Hope, he's good, and he'll make Hope better.  I'm done with this.


.........put me in coach I'm ready to set some picks......elbows high!

[arena]

It seems to me as though Calvin College may have decided how much gym/classroom space they wanted ... four basketball courts (east, west, main) and a side court for volleyball (north) ... and dropped bleachers in the empty spaces ... they ended up seating 4,500 a result of the perceived academic and recreational needs of the faculty and students.

Just a theory.

Will Calvin's refit of their field house result in an increase or decrease of the seating?

My understanding is that seating will not be effected by the change.

[kcrest]

All right I'm angy enough I can't sleep so I'm going to tirade a little.

Sac, Hope you were able to get some sleep after getting this off your chest.  Hang in there.  As for DVS, it is what it is.  And what it is right now is water under the bridge.  From here on in the important discussions happen in a 94x50 rectangle.   

[bulldogalum]

Sac, it's about time somebody from Hope got angry and stood up for these folks at Hope.  To question the character of the Hope basketball staff and athletic department is just ludicrous.  I'm glad the kid's playing (although my tune might change if we have to face Hope in the first round of the MIAA tournament ).

[oldknight]

A certain coach who's integrity and character has been questioned over and over by . . .

Me perhaps? I believe I did use the word "integrity" in connection with Glenn's decision to both add and use DVS midyear. That was an unfortunate choice of terminology on my part and I apologize for using it in the midst of criticizing Glenn's decision play a transfer 3 months after picking his team. His decision to add a player in January is fair game for criticism but stating or even implying that anyone lacks personal integrity is wrong unless you have the facts well in hand. From what I know about Glenn he is a quality person. I was wrong.

Having said that I do stand by the basic criticism that Glenn should not allow Derek to play this year. Just to see that I hadn't totally lost my marbles on this issue I tested it out on 3 people I have known for many years. All 3 were excellent high school players and 1 one of them went on to become an  all conference MIAA player. Only 1 of them attended
Calvin with the other 2 just being general west Michigan basketball fans with no loyalty to either Calvin or Hope. After stating my opinion and receiving from them the expected teasing (such as "you wouldn't be saying that if VanSolkema was sitting on VandeStreek's bench"), 2 of the 3 readily agreed that Glenn was wrong, that he should not have played DVS this year and that he should stick with the team he picked in October. The third person didn't  go quite so far as to say that Glenn was wrong but did agree that this decision was risky and bound to create dissension. Everybody agreed that no matter what was being said publicly Glenn's decision would not be popular with some players and would likely have some long term consequences.

[albionbritfan]

blah blah blah integrity this integrity that

Woah, the fury of sac has been unleashed.  He's right.

Questioning how transfers affect a team....fine, it's a topic that is getting old for Hope fans but certainly appropriate.  Questioning a person's integrity, though, c'mon.  To me there is nothing more infuriating on this board than character assassinations...whether it be a coach, a player or a referee.  These people cannot hide behind a username.

[Briton Backer]

Geez, Old Knight.  Sounds like 3 unbiased opinions to me.  You lay out your one-sided argument and then three of your friends, after prodding from you, agree with you (probably just to get you to shut up)?  Quite scientific.

It seems to me that you should worry about your own team and stop trying to raise the collective ire of the non-Calvin posters on this board.

Your arguments are all flawed and, quite frankly trite and boring.  We only have so much bandwidth here.  Please, before you press the post button in the future, reread your post and think to yourself WWKVSD.  I think you'll find that if you follow that guideline, most of the time you'll just close your browser and cancel your post.

[Civic Minded]

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I just went to the local Christian bookstore and ordered a WWKVSD bracelet. I went a little crazy and got mine in Orange and blue.

If I could I'd give you 10 Karma points for that one NWHopefan. Much better than my little tirade.

unbelievable.

Kudos (and karma) to NWHope fan -- hysterical, and pointed. 

Sac, your "little tirade" was right on.  Some folks, however, will never get it.  They think that because they went to Christian secondary schools instead of public schools that their poo doesn't stink.  That allows them to deface property at other Christian colleges and to chant f#*k Hope without going to hell.  Go figure.   

Oops, a little digression there.  That allows them to judge other's behaviors without a flying fig of an idea of what really happened in the situation.  Sheesh.

The good news is there are enough of us who know better (about GVW) than to let this/these (ahem) gentlemen get too far under our skin.  Sigh.

[oldknight]

Geez, Old Knight.  Sounds like 3 unbiased opinions to me.  You lay out your one-sided argument and then three of your friends, after prodding from you, agree with you (probably just to get you to shut up)?  Quite scientific.

Didn't claim they were scientific. Was just looking for opinions on the subject--kind of like trolling this board.

[northb]

OK  everyone take a prozac and drop the issue.

To focus us elsewhere, I have a question--suppose the Knights lose on Wednesday.  Does the league still have the tournamant at the Knollcrest Fieldhouse, or does it go to the highest remaining seed?

[ziggy]

Still at Knollcrest because Calvin would have the better record against the next highest team (2-0 vs Albion, while Hope is 1-1 vs Albion)

[AndersDY]

Sac, Hope you were able to get some sleep after getting this off your chest.  Hang in there.  As for DVS, it is what it is.  And what it is right now is water under the bridge.  From here on in the important discussions happen in a 94x50 rectangle.   

Whoa whoa whoa, wait a minute here... 94?

[ziggy]

94' for NBA and official NCAA courts, 84' for high school