MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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In case you missed it some news on the d3hoops.com main page, titled 2010-2011 will be great for D3.

http://d3hoops.com/

(yes the insomnia bug has struck......again)

[section7]

section7 and others interested, I spoke with 2 people affiliated with Hope hoops yesterday (nameless) and received 2 differing reports, one from a parent of a current player and another from an individual who can be seen in many team photos in the trophy case.

One party said that ..... is back on campus and telling people that is indeed eligible and planning on playing, and the other, whom I personally would consider more reputable and reliable said that it would be very unlikely for...... to be eligible.  Sounds like they are trying to work the system, I mean, work something out.

If......is playing, the question is "why didn't he play at all with the team over the summer?" based on every report I heard throughout, he was a ghost.

That's all I know...

Thanks so much hoopdreams.  I think from now on I will address all my posts directly to you.  Alot of other people seem to not understand a discussion board.  I hope no one is in the ineligible camp, but just like an injury, changed playing time, etc. I believe it is ok to ask on a discussion board if there is any facts to it.  I think Pat would agree also.  As for the others, I will just address hoopdreams from now on and you can skip over my posts.

[section7]

section7 and others interested, I spoke with 2 people affiliated with Hope hoops yesterday (nameless) and received 2 differing reports, one from a parent of a current player and another from an individual who can be seen in many team photos in the trophy case.

One party said that ..... is back on campus and telling people that is indeed eligible and planning on playing, and the other, whom I personally would consider more reputable and reliable said that it would be very unlikely for...... to be eligible.  Sounds like they are trying to work the system, I mean, work something out.

If......is playing, the question is "why didn't he play at all with the team over the summer?" based on every report I heard throughout, he was a ghost.

That's all I know...

Thanks so much hoopdreams.  I think from now on I will address all my posts directly to you.  Alot of other people seem to not understand a discussion board.  I hope no one is in the ineligible camp, but just like an injury, changed playing time, etc. I believe it is ok to ask on a discussion board if there is any facts to it.  I think Pat would agree also.  As for the others, I will just address hoopdreams from now on and you can skip over my posts.

One thing on karma for Northb, when I made the post my karma was -14, so at least 5 people were ok with it.  Have an outstanding Friday.

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I think if you were a parent of a student athlete whose name (or enough information was being hinted at that someone could figure it out)....and academic status were being thrown around on a message board with little to no facts except he said/ she said's ......I would hope you would have a different opinion.



section7, your Karma went up because you're feeding the wolves.  Also maybe look into exchanging emails or using the personal message system on this site.

[KnightSlappy]

I think if you were a parent of a student athlete whose name (or enough information was being hinted at that someone could figure it out)....and academic status were being thrown around on a message board with little to no facts except he said/ she said's ......I would hope you would have a different opinion.

section7, your Karma went up because you're feeding the wolves.  Also maybe look into exchanging emails or using the personal message system on this site.

At the risk of this place turning into a glue factory...

I would hope posters aren't making up rumors for the fun of it, but if someone has heard something from someone reliable I don't see the problem with it. I haven't seen anyone strongly refute these claims...

If you don't want people discussing your academic status either A) don't go to a high-profile school like Hope or Calvin, B) don't let your academic status get to a place that could be questioned, C) don't play ball.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I would hope posters aren't making up rumors for the fun of it, but if someone has heard something from someone reliable I don't see the problem with it. I haven't seen anyone strongly refute these claims...

Strictly my opinion, but:

1. I would consider that information from a reliable source and a rumor are two different things. 

2. Refuting something strongly requires reliable information as well.  Keep in mind that it is possible that someone may possess this information, but is not going to share it for a variety of reasons.

Personally - if you want to share rumors or stretch the truth then you need to also be "man enough" (no offense to our women posters) to take whatever backlash comes for doing so.

[KnightSlappy]

I would hope posters aren't making up rumors for the fun of it, but if someone has heard something from someone reliable I don't see the problem with it. I haven't seen anyone strongly refute these claims...

1. I would consider that information from a reliable source and a rumor are two different things. 

I meant to suggest that my hope is that we are not hearing rumors. I hope that it is information from a source that is considered reliable; I agree with you that they are different. I have no problem with posts of sourced information.

[hoopdreams]

For some clarity, I have no problems with people thinking that I'm making stuff up or "trying to stir the pot".  I simply post what I see, read, and hear, usually from people very close the the Hope Basketball family.  Believe me or not, that is your right, as is my right to post.  Not many have been able to dispute my comments with actual facts either.  Maybe you think you're taking the high road or maybe you simply don't want to believe it could possibly be true.  Like I've said before, paraphrasing " I would much rather sit around a table and share a few beers and chat then use the boards" but those days of social interaction are almost gone...  If I'm incorrect, show me something that proves me incorrect



In regards to a response to Hope1 yesterday.  I have spent a lifetime working with kids, raised a few too, and I have some idea of how they communicate via texts.  they abbreviate words, use code words, basic grammar goes out the window.  B4 u asx, idk who hp1 is :-0.  If I offended anyone (Hope1 in particular), I am sorry.  

[realist]

IF a player is academically ineligible (fall semester) what is the worst that happens?  They practice with the team, but miss 7 pre-conference games, and yes that could hurt later playing time.  If the grades improve by Christmas break they get their shot.  
If I were the parent of a player you can be sure I would sit down and explain to the little "darling" that play time does not come at the expense of hitting the books.  If the player puts being an athlete ahead of being a student perhaps a little public humiliation may be what is best to help establish proper priorities.

[section7]

For some clarity, I have no problems with people thinking that I'm making stuff up or "trying to stir the pot".  I simply post what I see, read, and hear, usually from people very close the the Hope Basketball family.  Believe me or not, that is your right, as is my right to post.  Not many have been able to dispute my comments with actual facts either.  Maybe you think you're taking the high road or maybe you simply don't want to believe it could possibly be true.  Like I've said before, paraphrasing " I would much rather sit around a table and share a few beers and chat then use the boards" but those days of social interaction are almost gone...  If I'm incorrect, show me something that proves me incorrect



In regards to a response to Hope1 yesterday.  I have spent a lifetime working with kids, raised a few too, and I have some idea of how they communicate via texts.  they abbreviate words, use code words, basic grammar goes out the window.  B4 u asx, idk who hp1 is :-0.  If I offended anyone (Hope1 in particular), I am sorry.  

Hoopdreams, thanks again for all of your posts and additions to this board.  I for one appreciate them.  I could give a rats-a** about Karma.  I would never post anything I heard from someone unless I believe this person to be connected with the program or college.  This person has been a "connected fan" with the Hope program since the late 1980's and someone who would not say something to me unless he had a good standing on the information.  So others can say it is stirring the pot, etc, I was "as a fan" asking if anyone knew.  For the poster who's nickname starts with a "S" and ends with a "C", I would have no problem if it was my son.  I would have a stern convo with him and like other posters have said, this is what happens when you don't hold up your end of the bargain.

In summary, I hope no one is ineligible, whether for a game, a semester or a season.  But I don't see a problem with asking someone on a discussion board that is specific to the team and conference if anyone else has heard, who might have more information.

Hoopdreams, when you have more details, PM me and we can discuss over a beer, hopefully S*c will pick up the tab. LOL

[Flying Dutch Fan]

IF a player is academically ineligible (fall semester) what is the worst that happens?  They practice with the team, but miss 7 pre-conference games, and yes that could hurt later playing time.  If the grades improve by Christmas break they get their shot.  
If I were the parent of a player you can be sure I would sit down and explain to the little "darling" that play time does not come at the expense of hitting the books.  If the player puts being an athlete ahead of being a student perhaps a little public humiliation may be what is best to help establish proper priorities.

In other words (to quote Pete Carroll) "It is my hope that this situation serves as a teachable moment to all involved".  A good point - but that's only if the rumored ineligibility is true.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

In other words (to quote Pete Carroll) "It is my hope that this situation serves as a teachable moment to all involved".  A good point - but that's only if the rumored ineligibility is true.

Sweet, a USC reference by a Hope fan!  Surely there is no analogy to be drawn between Coach Carroll's departure/subsequent trainwreck of Trojan football and Coach GVW's departure, is there?  

[section7]

In other words (to quote Pete Carroll) "It is my hope that this situation serves as a teachable moment to all involved".  A good point - but that's only if the rumored ineligibility is true.

Sweet, a USC reference by a Hope fan!  Surely there is no analogy to be drawn between Coach Carroll's departure/subsequent trainwreck of Trojan football and Coach GVW's departure, is there?  

Now that made me laugh out loud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[realist]

IF a player is academically ineligible (fall semester) what is the worst that happens?  They practice with the team, but miss 7 pre-conference games, and yes that could hurt later playing time.  If the grades improve by Christmas break they get their shot.  
If I were the parent of a player you can be sure I would sit down and explain to the little "darling" that play time does not come at the expense of hitting the books.  If the player puts being an athlete ahead of being a student perhaps a little public humiliation may be what is best to help establish proper priorities.

In other words (to quote Pete Carroll) "It is my hope that this situation serves as a teachable moment to all involved".  A good point - but that's only if the rumored ineligibility is true.

I would be very surprised to learn that this "rumored" academic ineligibility is the first time it has ever happened to any player in any sport at Hope.  The effectiveness of an academic eligibility program is: a. the players know the rules going in, b. all coaches in all sports monitor academic progress, and c. to be effective they must be enforced.  I don't doubt for a second that Hope has the integrity to enforce it's elgibility policy.  The problem at USC, and some others (much closer to home)  is knowing what the rules are, and lacking the integrity to self police.

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Its the "look at me I've got inside information" game that is getting tiresome.  Especially when that person is probably not aware that someone he trusts is running to the internet every time they speak.