MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

tniem · February 17, 2006, 03:08:25 PM

I am not sure I should even continue to fuel this conversation but what I cannot understand is this assumption that all coaches tell the media everything they are thinking and are completely honest with them. There is even a word for this coachspeak. Everyone takes everything they say to the media with a grain of salt.

From what I can tell, GVW was responding to the Holland media, who, like quite a few Hope fans, were questioning why this great D1 transfer was not playing. He stated that he liked his team and that DVS would have to earn a spot. He would practice to get acustomed to the team and that he would not play. Yet the speculation on this board was that the kid would play and it was discussed when that would happen.

Any one disagree so far with my recap?

The criticism when GVW made those statements was that he was not playing DVS yet. Coach was responding to the home town media and trying to calm them down - not to rival fan bases. Taken in that way, most Hope fans understood (and I would assume others would if it was there coach was making those statements) that it was a bit of coachspeak. He could not tell the media this kid would play this year and here are the conditions because then he would be eaten alive if things changed for whatever reason and try to do what is best for his team.

So he was guarded with his answer and gave responses that would keep things from blowing up among Hope fans or the team. That makes sense to me. Every coach does. They don't say, "Boy, are we an awful rebounding team" or "Damn, we can't seem to handle these road enviroments with any degree of maturity." They say things like "We had an off night" And if they do not, they are run out of town like Mike Davis of Indiana.

Integrity, in my mind, isn't an issue. No coach speaks the full truth with the media. They just do not.

One last point about when the move to having DVS in the lineup came:

A lot has been written about how it came the game after Calvin beat Hope and I assume (following the logic of this board) had Calvin missed the final shot, DVS would not be playing. I think this is just silly.

If you look at Hope's schedule and when DVS joined the team (middle of January as I recall), you would have circled the Adrian game as a proper time to play him. It was going to take a while for him to get used to the style of play and get comfortable with teammates in practice. Once that happened you could begin to look to plug him into your rotation.

Many speculated that he would play against Olivet to be ready for the Albion/Calvin games. But when that did not happen, you knew he would not play until Adrian. And that made more sense. Now Hope (if you assume that they should have no trouble against Adrian, Alma, Tri-State, and their first round opponent) has four games to develop a new rotation. By tournament time, he should be in the right place in terms of what his role is.

In the end, his addition may mean the rotation was all messed up this season and Hope should not have "gambled". But I agree with Sac's statement much earlier in this conversation - something has been missing from Hope's lineup all season. They have had the talent but not the spark. There was no way that they were going to be in Salem this year, let alone raising a banner. DVS may not be the spark but for the team it seems it is worth the risk if this year could go from just another talented Hope team that ended with a short tourney run or a magical season.

tniem · February 17, 2006, 03:08:55 PM

Quote from: andersdy on February 17, 2006, 03:01:30 PM
Well, tniem answered my question about whether there is a limit placed on the length of posts on this board.

What can I say, it is the Friday before President's Day weekend and work is a bit slow...

Dark Knight · February 17, 2006, 03:31:34 PM

DK: d3hoops.com for 800, please, Alex.

Alex: The answer is, 1, 0, and one less.

DK: What are the number of flamebaiters, the number of posters with self control, and the number of d3hoops.com boards that are fun to read?

Alex: That's right! Your winning total is 4500!

Civic Minded · February 17, 2006, 04:02:36 PM

Quote from: andersdy on February 17, 2006, 03:01:30 PM
Well, tniem answered my question about whether there is a limit placed on the length of posts on this board.

Geez, tneim, lonely out there in DC away from all our fun?

samitysse · February 17, 2006, 04:15:15 PM

sat feb.18
alma
calvin
albion
hope

Civic Minded · February 17, 2006, 04:17:32 PM

Quote from: tniem on February 17, 2006, 03:08:25 PM
I am not sure I should even continue to fuel this conversation but what I cannot understand is this assumption that all coaches tell the media everything they are thinking and are completely honest with them. There is even a word for this coachspeak. Everyone takes everything they say to the media with a grain of salt.

From what I can tell, GVW was responding to the Holland media, who, like quite a few Hope fans, were questioning why this great D1 transfer was not playing. He stated that he liked his team and that DVS would have to earn a spot. He would practice to get acustomed to the team and that he would not play. Yet the speculation on this board was that the kid would play and it was discussed when that would happen.

<snip of the rest of tniem's excellent post>

Exactly. Well said. I guess I'm glad things are slow for you today -- gave you time to post some common sense. For the record, no one in their right mind tells the media everything. They just don't. But that's not integrity you say? BS. Since the majority of the media uses no integrity whatsoever, guarding your words is only self-preservation.

Now, can we let it go?

Bob MacKenzie · February 17, 2006, 04:18:45 PM

Well said DK. Shareef, with only his second lifetime post (at least in that personna), goes directly to the flamebaiters HOF.

Quote from: Dark Knight on February 17, 2006, 03:31:34 PM
DK: d3hoops.com for 800, please, Alex.

Alex: The answer is, 1, 0, and one less.

DK: What are the number of flamebaiters, the number of posters with self control, and the number of d3hoops.com boards that are fun to read?

Alex: That's right! Your winning total is 4500!

John Rusnak · February 17, 2006, 04:18:50 PM

Mike Davis is being run out of town because he has a racial complex issue.

Civic Minded · February 17, 2006, 04:21:25 PM

Quote from: John Rusnak on February 17, 2006, 04:18:50 PM
Mike Davis is being run out of town because he has a racial complex issue.

What have I missed about Mike Davis? Too busy reading Posting Up to follow IU lately...

albionbritfan · February 17, 2006, 04:23:33 PM

After today, I felt we needed some sorbet to cleanse the posting palate:

Who let the dogs out? Chuck Norris let the dogs out... and then roundhouse kicked them through an Oldsmobile.

Everybody loves Raymond. Except Chuck Norris.

Good luck to Albion tomorrow. Let's finish the regular season with a win, boys.

sac · February 17, 2006, 04:29:25 PM

Quote from: Dark Knight on February 17, 2006, 03:31:34 PM
DK: d3hoops.com for 800, please, Alex.

Alex: The answer is, 1, 0, and one less.

DK: What are the number of flamebaiters, the number of posters with self control, and the number of d3hoops.com boards that are fun to read?

Alex: That's right! Your winning total is 4500!

Number of posters who actually know the situation, have actually spoken to GVW about the situation, have actually spoken to DVS about his goals, have actually spoken to members of the Hope team about this.

Zero, Zero, Zero, and Zero (well maybe one or two)

Flying Dutch Fan · February 17, 2006, 04:39:54 PM

Quote from: John Rusnak on February 17, 2006, 02:40:04 PM
Well, the honest answer is it doesn't matter which one you play, you are going to lose.

With that said, Calvin is on fire right now and doesn't look to be turning around anytime soon. Hope at least has proven that they are not unbeatable.

Lots of karma for the funniest post of the day - what?, you weren't kidding?

kcrest · February 17, 2006, 04:55:38 PM

Quote from: sac on February 17, 2006, 04:29:25 PM
Quote from: Dark Knight on February 17, 2006, 03:31:34 PM
DK: d3hoops.com for 800, please, Alex.

Alex: The answer is, 1, 0, and one less.

DK: What are the number of flamebaiters, the number of posters with self control, and the number of d3hoops.com boards that are fun to read?

Alex: That's right! Your winning total is 4500!

Number of posters who actually know the situation, have actually spoken to GVW about the situation, have actually spoken to DVS about his goals, have actually spoken to members of the Hope team about this.

Zero, Zero, Zero, and Zero (well maybe one or two)

Sac, I appreciate this philosophy. IAnd I hope that the folks who have obliquely accused Calvin of dropping the ball on the DVS transfer (the "he called Calvin first but Calvin blew it" story) will remember this philosophy as well. As far as I know none of those folks have talked directly to KVS or anyone else at Calvin about the situation.

sac · February 17, 2006, 05:02:38 PM

Tommorrow night is always a special night for Hope hoops, and it will be the first time we get to have Senior night at DeVos.

Its also fan appreciation day, and we'll be treated to a rare QUADRUPLE header.

Fortunately DeVos is stocked with plenty of great food for that marathon.

Back to the Sr's and we'll start with the ladies. We say goodbye and Thank You to a group of ladies who in 4 years have compiled an amzing record of 100-10 going into tommorrow. This includes MIAA Championships in 2003, 2006 a Co-Championship in 2005 and an MIAA Tournament Title in 2003. In their Freshman year, which seems not so long ago the Dutch made it to the the Sectional finals before bowing to Wilmington.

Their stellar record also includes the all important 7-2 vs Calvin.

Megan Noll, Lake Orion
Joanne Stewart, Big Rapids
Linda Ebels, Falmouth
Jennnie Intveld, Carson City
and the incomparable Bria Ebels, Holland.

Big round of applause ladies.......and keep winning.

On the men's side its a group of 4 who's path to Hope have been very different. Some of this group won a Co-MIAA Championship in 2003, and an outright 2004 title. They also won the MIAA Tournament Championship in 2003. One also won the 2002 MIAA Tournament. NCAA tournament succes has been elusive with an appearance in 2002 and 2003.

Eric Voisn, Suttons Bay 2-3 v Calvin
Jeff Carlson, Holland 6-4 v Calvin
Andy Phillips, White Pigeon and 2004 MIAA MVP 6-4 v Calvin
Greg Immink, Hudsonville 6-4 v Calvin

Each one has faced some adversity in their careers, Voisin transfered in from GVSU, Carlson and Immink each suffered damaging knee injuries and Phillips missed a half a season with a finger injury.

But they've endured and now find themselves a member of one of Hope best squads in years.

Big round of applause for our Seniors you'll always be known as the first Sr's to graduate from DeVos Fieldhouse.

Congrats guys and gals good luck the rest of the season and good luck in your future endeavors.

Go Hope!

Dark Knight · February 17, 2006, 05:06:13 PM

Quote from: sac on February 17, 2006, 04:29:25 PM
Number of posters who actually know the situation, have actually spoken to GVW about the situation, have actually spoken to DVS about his goals, have actually spoken to members of the Hope team about this.

Zero, Zero, Zero, and Zero (well maybe one or two)

For the record, I certainly don't approve of accusing people of a lack of integrity, without knowing the details, and in a public forum at that. I guess feelings are too raw right now for any kind of attempted levity.