MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[David Collinge]

I don't really have time to chase down this rabbit today, but if Hope had a win over Lakeland that was somehow overlooked as being a regional game, and thus not figured into their QoWI, then their actual QoWI is significantly better than reported.  Beating Lakeland at home is a 14-point win, which would add nearly a full point to Hope's QoWI score.  That would change Hope from a potential bubble teams to a solid gold lock for the tournament, I'd imagine.

[AndersDY]

Is his % for this year any individal season record?  It's gotta be close.

That's exactly what the first post on FG% was about. Here's the new record book for MIAA single season FG%:

BEST FIELD GOAL SHOOTING PERCENTAGE

.708 Brandon Crawford, Albion 2005-06 (109-154)
.705 Steve Honderd, Calvin, 1991-92 (91-129)
.684 Wade Gugino, Hope, 1991-92 (91-133)
.684 Steve Honderd, Calvin, 1989-90 (81-117)

As for all the talk on who can sit comfortable on making the tournament, there will be several games in Ohio which can change that comfort level in a hurry. As long as two out of BW/Witt/COW are conference tournament champions, I would be quite surprised if both Hope and Calvin don't get in. However, if a week from now we've got ONU, OWU and Albion with automatic bids, some Dutch pulses will be quickening in a hurry. As long as one of Hope or Calvin wins the MIAA bid, the other should be safe unless the worst possible rash of upsets occurs. If Albion wins the MIAA though, any Ohio upsets are going to make it really hard to get 3 conference teams in. As hard as I would find it to believe if Hope stays home with a whole 3 losses, the NCAA never ceases to amaze so hopefully the team will approach the whole week as must-win.

[oldknight]

I don't really have time to chase down this rabbit today, but if Hope had a win over Lakeland that was somehow overlooked as being a regional game, and thus not figured into their QoWI, then their actual QoWI is significantly better than reported.  Beating Lakeland at home is a 14-point win, which would add nearly a full point to Hope's QoWI score.  That would change Hope from a potential bubble teams to a solid gold lock for the tournament, I'd imagine.

Unless the NCAA accepts the Badger as appropriate transportation for determining distance, the 200 mile rule would seem to preclude the Hope/Lakeland game as being inregion. Sheboygan is probably less than 150 miles from Holland as the crow flies but it has to be more than 8 hours by bus around the lake. Neither team's record lists that game as inregion on the d3hoops website.

[dren]

Albionfan:  I have tremendous respect for Hope, and their team, however, they wouldn't be stuck @ 5 in the region if they had played and beaten more highly rated teams.   

Hope scheduled and played atleast 4 typically strong teams, 3 of which failed to put together a winning record this season which has cost Hope QWOIOIWQ or whatever.  Atleast Elmhurst  steped it up this year to 17-8.  


Wheaton now 10-14
2005 20-6 (10-4)
2004 21-4 (10-4)
2003 18-7 (9-5)

John Carroll  now 12-13
2005 24-6 (14-4)
2004 27-6 (14-4)
2003 22-7 (15-3)

Carthage now 10-14
2005 12-13 (6-8)
2004 15-10 (7-7)
2003 19-6 (11-3)

Albionfan:  I for one will disagree on Hope being the "most talented" team in D3

Agreed.  There is no measuring stick.  The Hope team I've seen this year either wins easily by 18 or struggles in a close game.  I'm not sure how this squad will react to the MIAA tourny and NCAAs

[SKOT]

I don't really have time to chase down this rabbit today, but if Hope had a win over Lakeland that was somehow overlooked as being a regional game, and thus not figured into their QoWI, then their actual QoWI is significantly better than reported.  Beating Lakeland at home is a 14-point win, which would add nearly a full point to Hope's QoWI score.  That would change Hope from a potential bubble teams to a solid gold lock for the tournament, I'd imagine.

Unless the NCAA accepts the Badger as appropriate transportation for determining distance, the 200 mile rule would seem to preclude the Hope/Lakeland game as being inregion. Sheboygan is probably less than 150 miles from Holland as the crow flies but it has to be more than 8 hours by bus around the lake. Neither team's record lists that game as inregion on the d3hoops website.

The lakeland/hope game was over chirstmas break.  isnt there some crazy rule that you can count a game as "in region" if its over a break in school for longer than 5 days or something?

[dren]

I don't really have time to chase down this rabbit today, but if Hope had a win over Lakeland that was somehow overlooked as being a regional game, and thus not figured into their QoWI, then their actual QoWI is significantly better than reported.  Beating Lakeland at home is a 14-point win, which would add nearly a full point to Hope's QoWI score.  That would change Hope from a potential bubble teams to a solid gold lock for the tournament, I'd imagine.

Unless the NCAA accepts the Badger as appropriate transportation for determining distance, the 200 mile rule would seem to preclude the Hope/Lakeland game as being inregion. Sheboygan is probably less than 150 miles from Holland as the crow flies but it has to be more than 8 hours by bus around the lake. Neither team's record lists that game as inregion on the d3hoops website.

The lakeland/hope game was over chirstmas break.  isnt there some crazy rule that you can count a game as "in region" if its over a break in school for longer than 5 days or something?

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_m_basketball_handbook.pdf

In-Region Competition.
In-region competition is defined as:
• All competition within an institution's defined region.
• All competition within a 200-mile radius from one institution to another.

[dren]

Here is an interesting scenario...

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_m_basketball_handbook.pdf

Scheduling Requirements
Institutions must play at least 50 percent of their scheduled competition against inregion,
Division III institutions to be considered for selection to NCAA championships.
Institutions unable to meet this requirement will be allowed an opportunity to request a
waiver for selection consideration.

As of now Calvin is 20-5 overall and 11-1 in region.

By beating Olivet they become 21-5 and 12-1.

Say they play Tristate next (who is not a regional game) and lose becoming 21-6 and 12-1 now not meeting the requirement of 50%.  I know it says a waiver can be requested, and the selection committee wouldn't dare to leave out a team with only one in region loss... but then again we are talking about the NCAA selection committee

If they win they would be 22-5 (12-1) and would meet the requirement regardless of winning or losing the MIAA Tounry championship...

[ziggy]

I wonder if games against Division II/I count in that.  And furthermore, Calvin played Aquinas and Cornerstone who are not NCAA members so those 3 games shouldnt be counted anyway.  I'm guessing that Calvin wouldn't have made a scheduling mistake that could end up costing them a tournament berth.

[AndersDY]

I think with two non-D3 games forced by the league schedule which includes Tri-State and with those two games against Wheaton and Carthage being a stone's throw from in-region, Calvin can show that they weren't trying to dodge true regional competition with their scheduling. Even if they were to see that scenario by losing to Tri-State, I would think there's a .0001% chance of the NCAA keeping them out of the tournament (for that particular reason anyway).

[GoKnights68]

Hope is a shoe-in if they get to the MIAA semifinals. That is all they realisticly need. They are the most talented team in the nation-I don't think that anyone will disagree with me. The only way they dont get in is if they lose to Alma-and if their regional rakings this week are still at 5 or below, and still then the teams ahead of them would have to lose in their conference tournaments as well. Hope is in.

Calvin's situation is a little more difficult than Hope's. I think that Calvin has to get to the MIAA final game and make it a close one. In my 10 years of following the MIAA and D3 for that matter I can not recall very many teams getting an at large bid with 6 losses. Even with the field expanding this year with 11 (I believe) more bids-I think that it will be difficult to get those away from the Ohio schools.



You may be suprised at this like I was, but Pat Coleman came in this board a few days saying that if Hope loses in the semi-finals to Albion, then they are a bubble team.  He said Calvin is for sure in.

[John Rusnak]

Although I didn't see Pat's post, I would agree.

From my view, at this point Calvin is definitely in and I'd say Hope is almost definitely in as long as they get to the semis.  If they lose in the finals I say for sure, in the semis I'd say bubble but I would bet almost anything they make it.

Albion is the MIAA team that should be most worried at this point.

With that said, I think all 3 get in.

Given the strength of the region this year (which I'm sure the tournament committee will fully overlook), the MIAA should have 3, OAC should have BW and ONU, and NCAC should have Witt and Woo going.  That is only 7 teams from this region, plus Carnegie and any other loners out there.  There is no reason with the expanded bracket that all those teams shouldn't get in.

The problem, as always, is getting all of these teams away from each other.

At this point, I say you try to split Calvin, BW, and Witt/Woo (give the winner of the title the benefit) apart from each other, at least until the E8 game.  All of the other teams in the region should be forced to fight with each other.

[David Collinge]

Hope is a shoe-in if they get to the MIAA semifinals. That is all they realisticly need. They are the most talented team in the nation-I don't think that anyone will disagree with me. The only way they dont get in is if they lose to Alma-and if their regional rakings this week are still at 5 or below, and still then the teams ahead of them would have to lose in their conference tournaments as well. Hope is in.

Calvin's situation is a little more difficult than Hope's. I think that Calvin has to get to the MIAA final game and make it a close one. In my 10 years of following the MIAA and D3 for that matter I can not recall very many teams getting an at large bid with 6 losses. Even with the field expanding this year with 11 (I believe) more bids-I think that it will be difficult to get those away from the Ohio schools.



You may be suprised at this like I was, but Pat Coleman came in this board a few days saying that if Hope loses in the semi-finals to Albion, then they are a bubble team.  He said Calvin is for sure in.

I didn't see Pat's post either, but I said these things, so perhaps you're thinking of me.  Not that I'm mistaken for Pat very often...

Albion is the MIAA team that should be most worried at this point.

With that said, I think all 3 [Calvin, Hope, Albion] get in.

Given the strength of the region this year (which I'm sure the tournament committee will fully overlook), the MIAA should have 3, OAC should have BW and ONU, and NCAC should have Witt and Woo going.  That is only 7 teams from this region, plus Carnegie and any other loners out there.  There is no reason with the expanded bracket that all those teams shouldn't get in.

I think Albion and ONU need to win their conference tournaments to get a bid.  Albion is a bubble team for Pool C at best, and could sneak in if they reach the MIAA final and lose.  Of course, if that happens, then Hope will have lost in the MIAA semis, and that puts them in a precarious position (assuming the Lakeland game is finally determined to be out of region.)  ONU has a one in a thousand shot at a Pool C bid. 

[MIdoubleA]

With all of this tourney talk going around, the bottom line is this:

If Hope loses and goes 24-3 and DOESN'T get into the tourney, the system needs some serious work.

[ziggy]

With all of this tourney talk going around, the bottom line is this:

If Hope loses and goes 24-3 and DOESN'T get into the tourney, the system needs some serious work.

I think there are actually more things wrong with the DIII tournament than right with it.  Best case senario is that I make a fortune and make a large contribution to the NCAA earmarked to cover travel expenses so the top teams actually make the tournament and the best 4 end up at the final 4 (Please, no York 05 repeats).  Until that happens, I think we're pretty much stuck in the situation we find ourselves in now.

[KnightSlappy]

Here is how it breaks down...

Calvin WILL be in
Hope WILL be in