MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

Found FDF's post from last year, thought it might be interesting to look at the two side by side

2010-2011

MIAA Team comparisons based on posted 10-11 rosters.  Avg Age is based on FR=1, SO=2, JR=3, SR=4.  The percentage columns are the % of last years total that is returning this year.

Team	Returning	Avg Age	Varsity Min	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Minutes
Adrian	6	2.07	2881	54.5%	48.0%	58.8%	57.1%	52.9%
Albion	9	3.27	3865	59.6%	41.8%	50'6%	56.3%	53.9%
Alma	9	2.89	5416	64.8%	58.8%	71.9%	59.4%	65.9%
Calvin	9	2.36	5227	56.7%	49.5%	67.5%	67.7%	62.1%
Hope	11	2.87	8296	80.1%	70.7%	83.6%	74.7%	80.8%
Kalamazoo	14	3.33	7003	93.2%	81.8%	93.1%	93.3%	89.4%
Olivet	9	2.86	6564	78.6%	68.0%	79.9%	79.1%	71.8%
Trine	9	2.47	4864	61.9%	60.8%	66.3%	67.8%	58.1%

2011-2012

Tired of waiting on the Adrian roster, so here is my stat comparison of the teams.  This is based on the 2011-12 roster compared to last years team stats.  The Varsity Minutes column includes the total number of minutes played (multiple years if applicable) for each roster's players:

Team	Returning	Varsity Min	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Minutes
Adrian
Albion	9	3888	40.6%	40.1%	43.2%	47.0%	47.9%
Alma	10	6385	65.4%	50.3%	71.7%	63.1%	64.7%
Calvin	8	3914	45.1%	43.6%	55.7%	48.4%	47.7%
Hope	10	8141	54.1%	56.6%	75.8%	70.5%	58.5%
Kalamazoo	7	4857	59.3%	44.7%	52.1%	54.7%	51.5%
Olivet	7	2804	24.5%	29.0%	24.2%	28.3%	35.7%
Trine	7	5363	69.7%	63.7%	51.1%	52.7%	65.9%

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Found FDF's post from last year, thought it might be interesting to look at the two side by side

2010-2011

MIAA Team comparisons based on posted 10-11 rosters.  Avg Age is based on FR=1, SO=2, JR=3, SR=4.  The percentage columns are the % of last years total that is returning this year.

Team	Returning	Avg Age	Varsity Min	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Minutes
Adrian	6	2.07	2881	54.5%	48.0%	58.8%	57.1%	52.9%
Albion	9	3.27	3865	59.6%	41.8%	50'6%	56.3%	53.9%
Alma	9	2.89	5416	64.8%	58.8%	71.9%	59.4%	65.9%
Calvin	9	2.36	5227	56.7%	49.5%	67.5%	67.7%	62.1%
Hope	11	2.87	8296	80.1%	70.7%	83.6%	74.7%	80.8%
Kalamazoo	14	3.33	7003	93.2%	81.8%	93.1%	93.3%	89.4%
Olivet	9	2.86	6564	78.6%	68.0%	79.9%	79.1%	71.8%
Trine	9	2.47	4864	61.9%	60.8%	66.3%	67.8%	58.1%

2011-2012

Tired of waiting on the Adrian roster, so here is my stat comparison of the teams.  This is based on the 2011-12 roster compared to last years team stats.  The Varsity Minutes column includes the total number of minutes played (multiple years if applicable) for each roster's players:

Team	Returning	Varsity Min	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Minutes
Adrian
Albion	9	3888	40.6%	40.1%	43.2%	47.0%	47.9%
Alma	10	6385	65.4%	50.3%	71.7%	63.1%	64.7%
Calvin	8	3914	45.1%	43.6%	55.7%	48.4%	47.7%
Hope	10	8141	54.1%	56.6%	75.8%	70.5%	58.5%
Kalamazoo	7	4857	59.3%	44.7%	52.1%	54.7%	51.5%
Olivet	7	2804	24.5%	29.0%	24.2%	28.3%	35.7%
Trine	7	5363	69.7%	63.7%	51.1%	52.7%	65.9%

realist--this explains in numbers KVS's comments about team experience.  He is indeed correct that last year's team was inexperienced, and this year's team is even more so.

I project that the minutes of experience number will be ~7500 for Calvin next year, assuming ~20 min/game for senior Haverdink this year and everyone else of any significant playing time returning for the 2011-12 season.  All the returning production numbers could easily be in the 85%+ range. 

[KnightSlappy]

Are you also accounting for Jordan Brink for next season? I have very high hopes for that 2012-13 campaign (not that I'm counting this one out).

[oldknight]

Are you also accounting for Jordan Brink for next season? I have very high hopes for that 2012-13 campaign (not that I'm counting this one out).

I checked Calvin's season box for the last two years and FDF did not include Brink's minutes in his calculations. By my math I did come up with 13 fewer total Calvin varsity minutes than did FDF--1201 minutes from 2009-10 season and 2700 minutes from 2010-11 (excluding Brink) for total returning varsity minutes of 3901.

[Dark Knight]

Found FDF's post from last year, thought it might be interesting to look at the two side by side

2010-2011

MIAA Team comparisons based on posted 10-11 rosters.  Avg Age is based on FR=1, SO=2, JR=3, SR=4.  The percentage columns are the % of last years total that is returning this year.

Team	Returning	Avg Age	Varsity Min	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Minutes
Adrian	6	2.07	2881	54.5%	48.0%	58.8%	57.1%	52.9%
Albion	9	3.27	3865	59.6%	41.8%	50'6%	56.3%	53.9%
Alma	9	2.89	5416	64.8%	58.8%	71.9%	59.4%	65.9%
Calvin	9	2.36	5227	56.7%	49.5%	67.5%	67.7%	62.1%
Hope	11	2.87	8296	80.1%	70.7%	83.6%	74.7%	80.8%
Kalamazoo	14	3.33	7003	93.2%	81.8%	93.1%	93.3%	89.4%
Olivet	9	2.86	6564	78.6%	68.0%	79.9%	79.1%	71.8%
Trine	9	2.47	4864	61.9%	60.8%	66.3%	67.8%	58.1%

2011-2012

Tired of waiting on the Adrian roster, so here is my stat comparison of the teams.  This is based on the 2011-12 roster compared to last years team stats.  The Varsity Minutes column includes the total number of minutes played (multiple years if applicable) for each roster's players:

Team	Returning	Varsity Min	Points	Rebounds	Assists	Steals	Minutes
Adrian
Albion	9	3888	40.6%	40.1%	43.2%	47.0%	47.9%
Alma	10	6385	65.4%	50.3%	71.7%	63.1%	64.7%
Calvin	8	3914	45.1%	43.6%	55.7%	48.4%	47.7%
Hope	10	8141	54.1%	56.6%	75.8%	70.5%	58.5%
Kalamazoo	7	4857	59.3%	44.7%	52.1%	54.7%	51.5%
Olivet	7	2804	24.5%	29.0%	24.2%	28.3%	35.7%
Trine	7	5363	69.7%	63.7%	51.1%	52.7%	65.9%

realist--this explains in numbers KVS's comments about team experience.  He is indeed correct that last year's team was inexperienced, and this year's team is even more so.

I project that the minutes of experience number will be ~7500 for Calvin next year, assuming ~20 min/game for senior Haverdink this year and everyone else of any significant playing time returning for the 2011-12 season.  All the returning production numbers could easily be in the 85%+ range.

Let's see--take Calvin's 3901 minutes of experience at the start of this year and add 5400 minutes for 27 games at 200 minutes a game this year. (Could be fewer or more games). Add 577 minutes for Brink's experience last year and subtract about 1000 minutes for Haverdink's total experience at the end of this year. I get a potential of almost 8900 minutes of experience -- more than any team has had for the last couple of years.

[sac]

If we had an Adrian roster to look at I think we'd find the 2012-2013 Adrian Bulldogs will be the most experienced team returning for that season.

This is assuming a lot and of course and is way to far into the future.  Adrian only graduated one player last year, Javon Moseley who was only #4 in total minutes.  Their only 2 juniors on its roster played about 5 minutes per game each.  That team was loaded with Sophomores and Sophomores who played a lot.

I have Adrian potentially returning 88% of its minutes this year and probably about the same or more for next year.  They should be at or well above 9000 varsity minutes returning next fall.

[sac]

Hope has its team photo up, I didn't even recognize Peter Bunn

http://hope.edu/pr/athletics/mbb/mbbrost.html

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Are you also accounting for Jordan Brink for next season? I have very high hopes for that 2012-13 campaign (not that I'm counting this one out).

I checked Calvin's season box for the last two years and FDF did not include Brink's minutes in his calculations. By my math I did come up with 13 fewer total Calvin varsity minutes than did FDF--1201 minutes from 2009-10 season and 2700 minutes from 2010-11 (excluding Brink) for total returning varsity minutes of 3901.

Guessing you have included Michael Fabiyi in the 2010-2011 data (13 minutes), and not counted the 26 minutes of varsity experience Mickey DeVries logged for Wheaton last year (26 Minutes).

[hoopdreams]

Peter looks healthy, left shoulder looks muscular.  What I did notice is that Overway looks taller than PB and NVA makes Snuggs look like a little boy.  Actually Holwerda looks stronger too....Hope will be fun to watch, that is for sure.   Did they go with the really small lettering on the jerseys to make themselves look even bigger and more athletic?

[KnightSlappy]

If we had an Adrian roster to look at I think we'd find the 2012-2013 Adrian Bulldogs will be the most experienced team returning for that season.

This is assuming a lot and of course and is way to far into the future.  Adrian only graduated one player last year, Javon Moseley who was only #4 in total minutes.  Their only 2 juniors on its roster played about 5 minutes per game each.  That team was loaded with Sophomores and Sophomores who played a lot.

I have Adrian potentially returning 88% of its minutes this year

So if they can hold their opponents under 40 points per game they should be golden. They may be getting 88% of their minutes back, but they're only getting 80% of their points back. Moseley was one of the few effective scorers on a team that couldn't score.

[oldknight]

Are you also accounting for Jordan Brink for next season? I have very high hopes for that 2012-13 campaign (not that I'm counting this one out).

I checked Calvin's season box for the last two years and FDF did not include Brink's minutes in his calculations. By my math I did come up with 13 fewer total Calvin varsity minutes than did FDF--1201 minutes from 2009-10 season and 2700 minutes from 2010-11 (excluding Brink) for total returning varsity minutes of 3901.

Guessing you have included Michael Fabiyi in the 2010-2011 data (13 minutes), and not counted the 26 minutes of varsity experience Mickey DeVries logged for Wheaton last year (26 Minutes).

You're correct FDF; I forgot about those two guys. 3914 is the right number for Calvin as you posted.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Are you also accounting for Jordan Brink for next season? I have very high hopes for that 2012-13 campaign (not that I'm counting this one out).

I checked Calvin's season box for the last two years and FDF did not include Brink's minutes in his calculations. By my math I did come up with 13 fewer total Calvin varsity minutes than did FDF--1201 minutes from 2009-10 season and 2700 minutes from 2010-11 (excluding Brink) for total returning varsity minutes of 3901.

Guessing you have included Michael Fabiyi in the 2010-2011 data (13 minutes), and not counted the 26 minutes of varsity experience Mickey DeVries logged for Wheaton last year (26 Minutes).

You're correct FDF; I forgot about those two guys. 3914 is the right number for Calvin as you posted.

I'm just shocked that anyone in the legal profession would have a number too low           

[KnightSlappy]

Some early season measuring sticks for the Knights:

Grace Bible dropped their season opener at Lake Superior State (it counts as an exhibition for LSSU) 90-68 on Friday.
Ferris State dropped their exhibition game with Michigan State 85-58 on Sunday.

Grace and Ferris will face off tomorrow in Big Rapids. It appears as though both teams are treating this as an exhibition.

FWIW, Ferris lists their matchup with Calvin (Nov. 8) as an Exhibition game this year. Must be that games prior to Nov. 11 are exhibitions for D2.

[ziggy]

Are you also accounting for Jordan Brink for next season? I have very high hopes for that 2012-13 campaign (not that I'm counting this one out).

I checked Calvin's season box for the last two years and FDF did not include Brink's minutes in his calculations. By my math I did come up with 13 fewer total Calvin varsity minutes than did FDF--1201 minutes from 2009-10 season and 2700 minutes from 2010-11 (excluding Brink) for total returning varsity minutes of 3901.

Guessing you have included Michael Fabiyi in the 2010-2011 data (13 minutes), and not counted the 26 minutes of varsity experience Mickey DeVries logged for Wheaton last year (26 Minutes).

You're correct FDF; I forgot about those two guys. 3914 is the right number for Calvin as you posted.

I'm just shocked that anyone in the legal profession would have a number too low           

You'll probably be more shocked by the invoice you receive for the time spent verifying that your initial number was correct.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I see on the MIAA Master Calendar that the basketball coaches conf call is on Thu 11/3 at 9am, followed by Winter Media Day at 11am.  I suspect we will get the coaches/media pre-season poll that day.  Anyone want to venture a guess as to how the teams will be ranked?  How do you rank Adrian when they don't have their roster posted?