MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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Clearly thats a page in the handbood Calvin can skip.

and gladly so

[formerd3db]

Does that apply to Div I as well?  If so, why the discrepancy?  

[dothedew]

SAC,
I read somewhere today that the reason for the women not getting to host is b/c this is an EVEN year...and whenever both the men and the women teams from the same school make the tournament make the dance it then is based on the odd year is women and even year is men.
I'm guessing this has to do with a team like WASH U having both teams make it almost every year.
IS THIS FLIPPIN' TRUE???
If so I think it is a STUPID rule...I understand that you have to have it be across the board but Hope for instance has two facilities for basketball.
Please advise.
THANKS!

And what are the reasons that (assuming we get there) Witt would host the sectionals?

let's go hope..

[KnightSlappy]

I know we all enjoy complaining about the refs.  Does anyone know where the refs will come from for the regional games?  I am guessing that we may see some faces that we recognize.

[Facenorth]

I've got a serious question I was discussing at work today and I thought this was the best place to get it answered. Heres the dillema, we were trying to figure out who would win a matchup of the Hope Womens bball team, vs. the Calvin mens team. We were having trouble coming up with an answer but decided it would probably be a toss up, giving the advantage to whoever had home court. Heres a few of the matchups that would be seen and who I give the advantage too:

Julie Henderson Vs. Caleb Veldehouse- Slight edge to Veldehouse just because he shaves his legs more often, he also has a better outside jumper, but Julie is better at getting to the hole.

Bria Ebels Vs. Kyle Trewhella- You have got to go Bria on this one, better outside shooter, quicker, shes a better defender, and I'd take her over anyone on either one of these teams in the clutch, except maybe Veldehouse.

Jordyn Boles Vs. Andy Draayer- Pretty even, slight edge to Boles, she can hit an outside shot with somebody in her face and Draayer can't. She also plays great d, gets a lot of steals and deflections. Also  knows how to get to penetrate better than Draayer.

Stacy Warsen Vs. Kyle Snoeyink- Warsen might be a little stronger, but I give a slight advantage to Kyle. Pretty even on the boards and defensively but Snoeyink is a little better shooter. Warsen does know how to do the little things though.

Linda Ebels Vs. Josh Meckes- Once again pretty even, no advantage either way, both score and rebound well. Meckes does have the better leaping ability/shot blocking though.

Bench- Depth is clearly and advantage for the Hope Women, Wood, Noll, and the rest of the girls could dominate Zoerhof, Smith, Chappel, and whoever else KVS runs in off their weak bench.

Coaching- Wow, what a matchup, 2 of the best around at what they do, cannot give an advantage here, they both know how to win.

Overall- Pretty even, slight edge to the Hope Women, but I think home court would be the deciding factor. Nuetral court I go with Hope though.

I think you have a couple oversights here teenwolf.  Three things that weren't even mentioned in this fantasy matchup that should have been, in my own humble opinion are as follows:

Team speed:  Sure you touched on it for a couple individuals but few teams can run the court like Hope's women can.  Lange is an all american in track, Kopke was all state in hs and Ebels might be quicker than both of them.  Not to mention the depth of their bench and the speed, tenacity energy in general coming off it have to give the edge to the Lady Dutch.

Size:  Clearly goes to Calvin.  Hope will have a difficult time stopping any play in the low post.  Look for guards to be posting up and trying to exploit possible mismatches here.  Advantage Calvin.

Leadership and experience.  Hope has to have the nod.  Despite Calvin's late run last year they are still a relatively young team and these youngsters have stepped up time and time again.  But on the whole when you look at Hope's roster and experience, even from their deep bench, it's too much to overcome.  Would be an interesting matchup.  

[AndersDY]

And what are the reasons that (assuming we get there) Witt would host the sectionals?

One reason alone really, a certain shot from a certain freshman in a certain gym with a certain second on the clock. If Hope only had the one regional loss to Albion, they'd be ahead of Wittenberg at least in terms of earning the right to host based on merit. We still have that damn peninsula geography to overcome beyond that of course so right now Witt is more centralized and is likely considered the higher GL seed.

[albionbritfan]

Doesn't the Tri-State loss count as an in-region loss?  Even still, I agree that their losses are "good" losses and that there is no question they deserve to be playing this week.  They would beat at least half of this field, if not 75%

TriState is a provisional member of the NCAA and will be for the next two years still.  Note the discrepancy between all MIAA conference record and in-region record on the results/schedules diligently maintained by d3hoops.

[sac]

dothedew---I'm not aware of the even odd rule, wouldn't surprise me seems like a well meaning rule.

As far as a school with 2 facilities..........I think you'd have to ask Hope if they submitted the Dow as a host facility which I doubt.  Hope could handle four games, we just did last Saturday, but I'm not sure it would be fair to the ladies to ask them to play in the afternoon while everyone else is playing that night.  But the NCAA missed out of some money for sure.

As far as Witt hosting, by looking at the brackets construction I think Hope is the #3 seed, Witt the #2. and Miss Coll #1.  Miss Coll isn't going to host, they'd have to fly 3 teams in.  Witt is centrally located to the potential 4 teams in the Section.


I love how some Calvin posters are diggin up anything to try and run Hope's name through the mud.

.....lets see we've had Glenn being totally out of control, an out of date and too small facility, cheerleaders violating NCAA tournament conduct...........anything else.?

[sac]

Doesn't the Tri-State loss count as an in-region loss?  Even still, I agree that their losses are "good" losses and that there is no question they deserve to be playing this week.  They would beat at least half of this field, if not 75%

TriState is a provisional member of the NCAA and will be for the next two years still.  Note the discrepancy between all MIAA conference record and in-region record on the results/schedules diligently maintained by d3hoops.

This will change next year, all games vs 3rd and 4th year provisionals count as in-region.

[Pat Coleman]

this is the 1st time ever i am going to root for calvin this week   

if hope goes 2-0 this week what are the chances they host next week

I thought I read that a school couldn't host two weekends anymore.  I could be wrong and don't have the motivation to try to find out for sure.

Not true to my knowledge. What you may have heard is a school can't host both men and women in the same weekend. That is true. Used to be you could slide a single women's game in during the afternoon.

[Pat Coleman]

SAC,
I read somewhere today that the reason for the women not getting to host is b/c this is an EVEN year...and whenever both the men and the women teams from the same school make the tournament make the dance it then is based on the odd year is women and even year is men.
I'm guessing this has to do with a team like WASH U having both teams make it almost every year.
IS THIS FLIPPIN' TRUE???
If so I think it is a STUPID rule...I understand that you have to have it be across the board but Hope for instance has two facilities for basketball.
Please advise.

This is NOT because of teams that have both get in every year. It's because hosting women's used to be a situation of one game Wednesday/one game Saturday. Now it's two games Friday/two games Saturday, same as men. That's why one school can't host both.

Only a couple of schools have separate facilities. They aren't going to make an exception for Hope and UW-Stevens Point.

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this is the 1st time ever i am going to root for calvin this week   

if hope goes 2-0 this week what are the chances they host next week

I thought I read that a school couldn't host two weekends anymore.  I could be wrong and don't have the motivation to try to find out for sure.

Not true to my knowledge. What you may have heard is a school can't host both men and women in the same weekend. That is true. Used to be you could slide a single women's game in during the afternoon.

My bad.  There are just too many quirks to this system to figure out. DI is so much easier!

[dothedew]

Thanks for the clarification...I totally understand that stuff like this needs to be for every school.
PC-So is the odd/even a real thing and what is happening this year?

[dothedew]

by the way gohope that was in fact my "mug" in the detroit news and others from the super bowl...Thankfully for the whole country it wasn't my actual mug/face and instead was my back with my U of M  BIAKABATUKA jersey!

GO HOPE!

[mjfasteenwolf]

Come onnnnnn who is giving me negative karma for that last post, how can you feel so negatively towards that, it was all done in good fun.