MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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How about the Dew Crew with chants of "you can't fill it?" I know the boys in orange and blue had a rough shooting night but that's harsh!

"You can't fill it" doesn't work quite as well after fans begin leaving because the game is non-competitive.

Although that "cheer" could have been used at any point in the entire evening, so it is still  relevant and IMHO is effective

I must have missed the game where Hope had 4,500 people in their place.

If we build it, they will come

But you didn't, so they won't.

You're just making our point - you built a place too big cause you still can't fill it!!!

Both teams have played 7 home games this season and here are the attendance averages:

Calvin - 1832
Hope - 2710

That's with Calvin already hosting a rivalry game.  Remove that one game and Calvin's average is down to 1387 - barely half of Hope's average.  And you have a very good team that should be drawing larger crowds!!

When did DeVos lower its capacity?

I think DeVos lowered most everything after Obama was re-elected.

[arena]

How about the Dew Crew with chants of "you can't fill it?" I know the boys in orange and blue had a rough shooting night but that's harsh!

"You can't fill it" doesn't work quite as well after fans begin leaving because the game is non-competitive.

Although that "cheer" could have been used at any point in the entire evening, so it is still  relevant and IMHO is effective

I must have missed the game where Hope had 4,500 people in their place.

If we build it, they will come

But you didn't, so they won't.

You're just making our point - you built a place too big cause you still can't fill it!!!

Both teams have played 7 home games this season and here are the attendance averages:

Calvin - 1832
Hope - 2710

That's with Calvin already hosting a rivalry game.  Remove that one game and Calvin's average is down to 1387 - barely half of Hope's average.  And you have a very good team that should be drawing larger crowds!!

Great game played by Hope last night.

[sac]

Found some footage of Manti Te'o and a fight with his girlfriend.

[calvin_grad]

Found some footage of Manti Te'o and a fight with his girlfriend.

He changed his Facebook status from "in a relationship" to "it's complicated".

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Great game played by Hope last night.

So you're not only bitter about your poor attendance, you also are clueless about the game of basketball?               

[arena]

Great game played by Hope last night.

So you're not only bitter about your poor attendance, you also are clueless about the game of basketball?               

One of the things I've learned from reading message boards it is not always so helpful to assume motivations and the like from banter.  What makes one say I am bitter about anything?  It seems to me that the whole "you can't fill your building" line of arguing is a distraction away from the beat down Hope received last night.  Hence my retort.  Bitterness?  No, just amusement.  I won't presume your motivation, but what happened last night speaks for itself.

I saw a needlessly undermanned and out played team from Hope last night.  Undermanned by virtue of an out of shape senior who should be a dominate force, but for what ever reason appears to be unwilling to fight.  Not sure what MN has done to motivate the guy, but, apparently, it hasn't worked.

I saw a senior guard who tries hard but needs help.  Help he didn't get from the above player.  Hope has some building blocks.  I like the freshman center, Brock.  He showed his inexperience last night, I expect him to be better the next time he plays Calvin. 

I saw a Calvin team play well on its home floor.  I saw a coach who I am still down on not get in the way of his talent last night.  I find VDS coaching too much at times instead of just letting the natural talent of his players work.  He did that a lot less last night.

Attendance is not important.  Its a distraction from what happens on the court.

So, my friend, fill us with your basketball knowledge and insight.  What did you think of your teams performance last night?  I wasn't completely happy with Calvin's.  They still do a bad job handling full court pressure.  What can your team do better to improve?

[wiz]

PS: MN just said they will run the table

Did he really say that?

Yes, on the local fox new broadcast, but the quote meant that Hope would win out the rest of the MIAA games.

Got it, thanks, I misinterpreted.  It never occurred to me that after that showing last night he would be talking about Hope going undefeated the rest of the season.

One of the best set ups in a long time.  Great post.

[KnightSlappy]

I don't know why so many Calvin fans are now jumping on the Snuggs isn't contributing because of lack of interest bandwagon.

He is still Hope's leading rebounder on a per game basis, he is still one of their top three most efficient scorers, and he has still taken 33% of the team's shots while in the game (not a selfish number for a premier scorer).

If I were a Hope fan I wouldn't be questioning the kid, I'd be questioning the coach that isn't inserting one of his best two or three players into the game.

[Civic Minded]

I don't know why so many Calvin fans are now jumping on the Snuggs isn't contributing because of lack of interest bandwagon.

He is still Hope's leading rebounder on a per game basis, he is still one of their top three most efficient scorers, and he has still taken 33% of the team's shots while in the game (not a selfish number for a premier scorer).

If I were a Hope fan I wouldn't be questioning the kid, I'd be questioning the coach that isn't inserting one of his best two or three players into the game.

We don't need to question the coach.  We know why he's doing what he's doing, and honestly, we've tried to explain it here.  But since pegging a kid with an attitude problem is much more dramatic than hearing the rest of the story, it's been ignored.  Ah well.

[wiz]

I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon to beat up an already beat up team.  Sooner or later the bubble bursts for most all teams and you just claw your way through it the best you can.  Calvin was in that boat last year with many injuries and hopes dashed with Brink out before the season even started.

The first rivalry game is over, let's move on.  I think the real test for Calvin will be this Saturday at Trine.  How they respond in Angola after last night's victory will tell much about the character of this team.

It has been a pleasure this year to see this group of talented and unselfish players come together as a unified team.  Several are in quite different roles from last year but they all appear to be on board with the "system" and are executing well.  A very mature group.

[arena]

I don't know why so many Calvin fans are now jumping on the Snuggs isn't contributing because of lack of interest bandwagon.

He is still Hope's leading rebounder on a per game basis, he is still one of their top three most efficient scorers, and he has still taken 33% of the team's shots while in the game (not a selfish number for a premier scorer).

If I were a Hope fan I wouldn't be questioning the kid, I'd be questioning the coach that isn't inserting one of his best two or three players into the game.

We don't need to question the coach.  We know why he's doing what he's doing, and honestly, we've tried to explain it here.  But since pegging a kid with an attitude problem is much more dramatic than hearing the rest of the story, it's been ignored.  Ah well.

Do you meet with him and ask him?  Is that how you KNOW what he's doing?

[almcguirejr]

I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon to beat up an already beat up team.  Sooner or later the bubble bursts for most all teams and you just claw your way through it the best you can.  Calvin was in that boat last year with many injuries and hopes dashed with Brink out before the season even started.

The first rivalry game is over, let's move on.  I think the real test for Calvin will be this Saturday at Trine.  How they respond in Angola after last night's victory will tell much about the character of this team.

It has been a pleasure this year to see this group of talented and unselfish players come together as a unified team.  Several are in quite different roles from last year but they all appear to be on board with the "system" and are executing well.  A very mature group.

+k

[arena]

I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon to beat up an already beat up team.  Sooner or later the bubble bursts for most all teams and you just claw your way through it the best you can.  Calvin was in that boat last year with many injuries and hopes dashed with Brink out before the season even started.

The first rivalry game is over, let's move on.  I think the real test for Calvin will be this Saturday at Trine.  How they respond in Angola after last night's victory will tell much about the character of this team.

It has been a pleasure this year to see this group of talented and unselfish players come together as a unified team.  Several are in quite different roles from last year but they all appear to be on board with the "system" and are executing well.  A very mature group.

Good points.  In fact I'm excited to see this game, just have to figure out how to ask my wife if she wants to go.  I've not seen Trine's campus and Saturday looks to be a good day for a road trip.  Is there anything interesting shopping around there that may help my case?

[almcguirejr]

I don't know why so many Calvin fans are now jumping on the Snuggs isn't contributing because of lack of interest bandwagon.

He is still Hope's leading rebounder on a per game basis, he is still one of their top three most efficient scorers, and he has still taken 33% of the team's shots while in the game (not a selfish number for a premier scorer).

If I were a Hope fan I wouldn't be questioning the kid, I'd be questioning the coach that isn't inserting one of his best two or three players into the game.

We don't need to question the coach.  We know why he's doing what he's doing, and honestly, we've tried to explain it here.  But since pegging a kid with an attitude problem is much more dramatic than hearing the rest of the story, it's been ignored.  Ah well.

I saw Snuggerud play the 2 games in the NCAA tournament at De Vos.  Those performances led me to believe he would have a chance to be the DIII player of the year. When you see someone of his caliber not playing anywhere close to his potential, it is natural to wonder what the cause of it is.

Hoopdreams has been the poster who has been the most upfront about Snuggerud's status.  His posts been met with mostly skepticism and derision.

You state that you have tried to explain it here.  I must have missed that.  Would you please refer me to your post so I can familiarize myself with the full explanation.  Thanks!

[maroonandgold]

The first rivalry game is over, let's move on.  I think the real test for Calvin will be this Saturday at Trine.  How they respond in Angola after last night's victory will tell much about the character of this team.

It has been a pleasure this year to see this group of talented and unselfish players come together as a unified team.  Several are in quite different roles from last year but they all appear to be on board with the "system" and are executing well.  A very mature group.

I really agree with this quote from WIZ, especially the comment about the real test for a successful team.  It is so difficult to play with the necessary energy and enthusiasm so soon after a victory as exhilarating as last night's win.  But to achieve the kind of success the team wants, that is exactly what they have to do.  Few teams can do it.