MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[AndersDY]

Oh, one more thing! WWKVSD? He'd wait until Roenoke to cut the net down!

I kind of wondered about the nets myself. I was a bit surprised they went for them after seeing Hope decline to take down the nets when they had previously won the MIAA tourney on the way to what they hoped was a long tourney run. I suppose any time you can steal the nets out of your arch rival's gym, you may as well go for it whether you have further goals left or not.

I did like the Calvin student sections chant of "Daddy's Boy" Saturday night.

I didn't follow that cheer at all. What is the history on DVS that would label him as a Daddy's Boy?

I wonder if the UW-LaCrosse and Wisconsin Lutheran people are aware that they're wandering straight into the line of fire? With the skirmishes heating up and all-out conflict just over the horizon, woe to the cheeseheads who heedlessly cross the battlefield in Netherlands-By-The-Lake.

Maybe it's time for a drive-by at UWL's board to invite them to join the madness and really get things flying in here. The NCAC board would never catch up to our verbosity and we'd be on our way to chasing the CCIW board.

[albionbritfan]

Also, why are there 8 positions for each?  Isn't a "team" 5 people?

It was the only way that Calvin and Hope's starting 5 could be honored, along with a few players from the other teams.

[formerd3db]

I've always wondered about that too.  Even on the fb all-conference teams, they've selected an extra position at times (i.e. extra LB, or OL or even DB).  Always thought there were only 11 positions on each side of the ball (excepting the K and P positions of course).

As for the bb all-conference selections, once again it is just like the other sports in that, unfortunately, someone who really deserves to be on the team gets left off.  Certainly, Cramer should have had high consideration as his avg. scoring per game was only .2 less than Immink.  But perhaps they figured Cramer has another year.  As for Carlson, a very good player, but when one's scoring avg is lower, a player is probably not going to get the nod, even though there are other factors figured into the selections by the coaches as we all know and especially when other teammates have already been chosen.

Still, however, it always seems to be unfair when someone who should really be on the team, doesn't make it (how do you account for the fact that in fb, some leaders - who were regular players and did not get their stats in some last-minute game mop-ups - in league INT's in recent years are not selected to the 1st team?  But, as we all know, that's life and it isn't always fair.  While I'm sure those players Calvin and/or Hope who feel they should have made it are disappointed, I'm sure they won't care in the end if one of those teams goes all the way.  Other thoughts anyone?

[albionbritfan]

Draayer not on first team?  He only holds the all-time 3-point record in the miaa...

I think Draayer legitimately belongs on the second team.  Draayer was the 14th leading scorer in MIAA play and 8th in steals.  I'm not sure that nets you a top 8 standing.  And I'm not sure there's emphasis on career stats when voting for these teams.

[albionbritfan]

I'm blown away by the fact that for most of the season (maybe up until two weeks or so ago) we were trailing the NCAC board by 15 pages and now we are 26 pages ahead of them (41 pages!).  Of course it helps when everyone reposts the all-MIAA teams when discussing it.

[almcguirejr]

 Certainly, Cramer should have had high consideration as his avg. scoring per game was only .2 less than Immink.  But perhaps they figured Cramer has another year.  As for Carlson, a very good player, but when one's scoring avg is lower, a player is probably not going to get the nod, even though there are other factors figured into the selections by the coaches as we all know and especially when other teammates have already been chosen.

Cramer's scoring average is .9 more than Immink in league games.  It appears your point about Cramer having another year is probably true. The 3 seniors were given first team status. I think that is unfair.  Reward someone for what they have accomplished for  this year.  We don't know what happens in the next year, Cramer could get hurt, or perhaps a transfer could be brought in to replace him.  

[AndersDY]

If Hope brought in enough transfers of a caliber that would render Cramer useless to the team, well they wouldn't find any good competition at the D3 level, that's for sure.

[ziggy]

If Hope brought in enough transfers of a caliber that would render Cramer useless to the team, well they wouldn't find any good competition at the D3 level, that's for sure.

GVW would still make it interesting

[almcguirejr]

If Hope brought in enough transfers of a caliber that would render Cramer useless to the team, well they wouldn't find any good competition at the D3 level, that's for sure.

GVW would still make it interesting

Ziggy that's worth some karma

[realist]

ABF:  Calvin only had 4 on the team, and apparently didn't honorable mention anyone.
For the math challenged.  In the old days they had 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams, and 1 extra.  Hence the 16. 

[realist]

Dark Knight:  Thanks for posting the Massey numbers.  Looks like Calvin/WLAX are just about dead even.  IMHO I give Calvin a couple extra points for crowd support, and experience at DeVos.
Provided of course the Calvin team that beat Hope is the one that shows up, not the one from last week.
There are several other spreads one could question.  I like Hope in the final 4, but they have a real fight to get there.  If they make it that far anyone who beats them will know they earned it.

[Dark Knight]

Looks like Grace Bible was good preparation for the NCAA tournament, as they beat Wisconsin Lutheran by 4.

I've talked positively about Hope all year, I just ripped into Calvin for the last 3 days, and look at me, I'm full of negative Karma, lol.

Ah, but your karma was -5 then, and it's -3 now!

[almcguirejr]

I didn't follow that cheer at all. What is the history on DVS that would label him as a Daddy's Boy?

He (Daddy) has a reputation as being, ummm, involved.

[ziggy]

Dark Knight:  Thanks for posting the Massey numbers.  Looks like Calvin/WLAX are just about dead even.  IMHO I give Calvin a couple extra points for crowd support, and experience at DeVos.
Provided of course the Calvin team that beat Hope is the one that shows up, not the one from last week.
There are several other spreads one could question.  I like Hope in the final 4, but they have a real fight to get there.  If they make it that far anyone who beats them will know they earned it.

The Calvin team that played the second half on saturday should be ok.  I don't know who that team was in the first half but I hope their season is over!  National tournament games were good to the Knights last year because players like Draayer weren't as well known by non-conference schools so they faced less pressure.  Optimistically (not ----fully), the same will be the case on Friday.

If the team from Holland/Saugatuck does make the final four it will be impressive to have (potentially) gone through Calvin, Wittenberg, and Wooster.  We all know that coming out of this region is like running a gauntlet.  It guarantees at least one very good team will be in Salem.

[AndersDY]

Is it time for a karma test? Fine, let the karma gods do with me as they may:

Calvin Sucks

Hope Sucks