MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

I guess Albion has officially opened gobrits.com for business

http://gobrits.com/landing/index

[oldknight]

A preview of the Calvin/RHIT matchup:

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2013/02/calvin_college_men_face_a_bobb.html

[ziggy]

A preview of the Calvin/RHIT matchup:

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2013/02/calvin_college_men_face_a_bobb.html

Photo caption fail...

[sac]

Your daily facepalm moment

[ziggy]

Your daily facepalm moment

Adidas finally seems to have found a line Dave Brandon wouldn't cross.

[calvin_grad]

Your daily facepalm moment

Adidas finally seems to have found a line Dave Brandon wouldn't cross.

What color are those ND uniforms - McDonald's shamrock shake green???   

[ziggy]

Your daily facepalm moment

Adidas finally seems to have found a line Dave Brandon wouldn't cross.

What color are those ND uniforms - McDonald's shamrock shake green???   

That it totally the first thing that came to my mind as well!

[goodknight]

A preview of the Calvin/RHIT matchup:

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2013/02/calvin_college_men_face_a_bobb.html

Photo caption fail...

As punishment, that caption writer should be drawn and halved.

[John Gleich]

My "Mendoza" line for FT shooting has always been 75%.

The free throw percentage in college basketball on the men's side has been right around 69% for over forty years. It's never topped 70%, and never dropped lower than 67%.

In other words, your Mendoza line is actually a Gwynn line.

WOW, Greg, that is unreal to me.  Thanks for the info.

Must be all those sprints and suicides I had to run when we didn't shoot 75% as of team or an individual.  3 out of 4 was just ingrained in my brain.

I did a little research on what the "Champions" did the past 13 years, here it is:

2012 - WI - Whitewater = 72%
2011 - St. Thomas (MN) = 71.1%
2010 - WI - Stevens Point = 74%
2009 - WASH U = 74%
2008 - WASH U = 71.5%
2007 - Amherst = 70.9%
2006 - Va Wesleyan = 69.5%
2005 - WI - S. Point = 76.8%
2004 - WI - S. Point = 75.4%
2003 - Williams = 69.6%
2002 - Otterbein = 76.5%
2001 - Catholic = 71.7%
2000 - Calvin = 70.3%

Average of 13 champs = 72.6%

I guess I need to adjust my line to 72.5%

I know in a few years from 2007-2009 (before the championship) Stevens Point was leading all of college basketball up over 80%. I don't think they technically got the record because they didn't have enough FT attempts to qualify for that record... but they still had the highest across all divisions.

UW Oshkosh also had a few years where they were up over 80% as well in the early Oughts, right around the time they were challenging for conference titles and making it to NCAA Regionals (and even a few years besides, if my memory serves correctly).

[John Gleich]

My "Mendoza" line for FT shooting has always been 75%.

The free throw percentage in college basketball on the men's side has been right around 69% for over forty years. It's never topped 70%, and never dropped lower than 67%.

In other words, your Mendoza line is actually a Gwynn line.

WOW, Greg, that is unreal to me.  Thanks for the info.

Must be all those sprints and suicides I had to run when we didn't shoot 75% as of team or an individual.  3 out of 4 was just ingrained in my brain.

I did a little research on what the "Champions" did the past 13 years, here it is:

2012 - WI - Whitewater = 72%
2011 - St. Thomas (MN) = 71.1%
2010 - WI - Stevens Point = 74%
2009 - WASH U = 74%
2008 - WASH U = 71.5%
2007 - Amherst = 70.9%
2006 - Va Wesleyan = 69.5%
2005 - WI - S. Point = 76.8%
2004 - WI - S. Point = 75.4%
2003 - Williams = 69.6%
2002 - Otterbein = 76.5%
2001 - Catholic = 71.7%
2000 - Calvin = 70.3%

Average of 13 champs = 72.6%

I guess I need to adjust my line to 72.5%

I know in a few years from 2007-2009 (before the championship) Stevens Point was leading all of college basketball up over 80%. I don't think they technically got the record because they didn't have enough FT attempts to qualify for that record... but they still had the highest across all divisions.

UW Oshkosh also had a few years where they were up over 80% as well in the early Oughts, right around the time they were challenging for conference titles and making it to NCAA Regionals (and even a few years besides, if my memory serves correctly).

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/2013/2013%2003%20Div%20III%2010-16.pdf

The records are found on page 14.

FWIW, there are only 16 D3 programs who are at or above 75%.

Current percentages can be found here:

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d3/current/team/150

[neilrocks]

My "Mendoza" line for FT shooting has always been 75%.

The free throw percentage in college basketball on the men's side has been right around 69% for over forty years. It's never topped 70%, and never dropped lower than 67%.

In other words, your Mendoza line is actually a Gwynn line.

WOW, Greg, that is unreal to me.  Thanks for the info.

Must be all those sprints and suicides I had to run when we didn't shoot 75% as of team or an individual.  3 out of 4 was just ingrained in my brain.

I did a little research on what the "Champions" did the past 13 years, here it is:

2012 - WI - Whitewater = 72%
2011 - St. Thomas (MN) = 71.1%
2010 - WI - Stevens Point = 74%
2009 - WASH U = 74%
2008 - WASH U = 71.5%
2007 - Amherst = 70.9%
2006 - Va Wesleyan = 69.5%
2005 - WI - S. Point = 76.8%
2004 - WI - S. Point = 75.4%
2003 - Williams = 69.6%
2002 - Otterbein = 76.5%
2001 - Catholic = 71.7%
2000 - Calvin = 70.3%

Average of 13 champs = 72.6%

I guess I need to adjust my line to 72.5%

I know in a few years from 2007-2009 (before the championship) Stevens Point was leading all of college basketball up over 80%. I don't think they technically got the record because they didn't have enough FT attempts to qualify for that record... but they still had the highest across all divisions.

UW Oshkosh also had a few years where they were up over 80% as well in the early Oughts, right around the time they were challenging for conference titles and making it to NCAA Regionals (and even a few years besides, if my memory serves correctly).

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/2013/2013%2003%20Div%20III%2010-16.pdf

The records are found on page 14.

FWIW, there are only 16 D3 programs who are at or above 75%.

Current percentages can be found here:

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d3/current/team/150

I love this stuff!!!!  Thanks John!

So, let's do a little comparison (and this will verify Greg's comment about the Gwynn line vs the Mendoza line).

If we use the NEILROCKS line (72.5%), that means you are in the Top 72 (#72 Brandeis) teams out of 407 total Div III teams in FT shooting.

If we use the MENDOZA line (as the bottom 25%), you are team #300 out of 407, which is 65.8% (Crown (MN)).

In MLB, last year there were 144 players who had enough AB's to qualify for the batting title.

To be at the NEILROCKS line, (top 17.7%), you would need to be #25 (A. Ramirez - MIL), and bat at least .300

To be at the MENDOZA line (as the bottom 25% of qualifiers), you would be #108 (Y. Escobar - TOR) and bat at least .253 or lower

[KnightSlappy]

In MLB, last year there were 144 players who had enough AB's to qualify for the batting title.

To be at the NEILROCKS line, (top 17.7%), you would need to be #25 (A. Ramirez - MIL), and bat at least .300

To be at the MENDOZA line (as the bottom 25% of qualifiers), you would be #108 (Y. Escobar - TOR) and bat at least .253 or lower

Major selection bias by only including "qualified" players. One has to be reasonably good -- likely above average -- to receive the required AB's.

The league average non-pitcher hit .259 last year, so .253 is nowhere close to bad.

The "real" Mendoza line is the line which almost no qualified player would be worse than. And, as it turns out, only Carlos Pena hit below .200 among qualified players. The bottom 0.6% of (qualified) hitters.

[neilrocks]

In MLB, last year there were 144 players who had enough AB's to qualify for the batting title.

To be at the NEILROCKS line, (top 17.7%), you would need to be #25 (A. Ramirez - MIL), and bat at least .300

To be at the MENDOZA line (as the bottom 25% of qualifiers), you would be #108 (Y. Escobar - TOR) and bat at least .253 or lower

Major selection bias by only including "qualified" players. One has to be reasonably good -- likely above average -- to receive the required AB's.

The league average non-pitcher hit .259 last year, so .253 is nowhere close to bad.

The "real" Mendoza line is the line which almost no qualified player would be worse than. And, as it turns out, only Carlos Pena hit below .200 among qualified players. The bottom 0.6% of (qualified) hitters.

Maybe, but, there are no teams that start mid-year with stats, platoon, only pinch hit, etc.  Therefore, you have to look at the group that "compares" and that is full year and most AB players.  I didn't pull up Mendoza's stat, but I believe his AB's were quite high, aka. Carlos Pena.

[goodknight]

Adam Dunn made the AL All-Star team and was named Sporting News AL Comeback Player of the Year in 2012.
His batting average: .204.

[neilrocks]

MENDOZA stats - years where AB's were above 200:

1979 28 SEA AL 148 373 74 .198 
1980 29 SEA AL 114 277 68 .245   
1981 30 TEX AL    88 229 53 .231

Batting Average 3 years = .222