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KnightSlappy

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Quote from: goodknight on November 04, 2013, 11:43:33 PM
Big changes coming for next academic year in the expansion of the D3 in-region territory boundaries from its current 200-mile radius to a 500-mile radius.

The NCAA also will no longer permit post-season conference tournament games to count as in-region games in satisfying the 70 percent threshold.

Look for MIAA and CCIW schools to get a lot more familiar with each other in the years ahead.

According to my list (not exhaustive) the following teams to the west will become in-region for Calvin,

Elmhurst, Benedictine, Wheaton, North Central, Lake Forest, Aurora, Carthage, Rockford, Milwaukee Engineering, Wisconsin Lutheran, Beloit, Concordia (Wis.), Illinois Wesleyan, UW-Whitewater, Eureka, Maranatha Baptist, Lakeland, Millikin, Edgewood, Augustana, Marian, Knox, UW-Oshkosh, Monmouth, Ripon, Lawrence, Carroll, St. Norbert, MacMurray, Illinois College, UW-Platteville, Blackburn, Greenville, UW-Stevens Point, Principia, Washington U., UW-La Crosse, St. Marys (Minn.), UW-Eau Claire

But it also will extend into the East Region as well.

Schools such as Buffalo State, Brockport State, and Rochester will also become in-region.

Flying Dutch Fan

Pardon my "french" but it's about damn time!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guessing this new 500 mile rule will extend the MIAA/CCIW Challenge (Hope, Calvin, Carthage, and Wheaton) for the future.  All 4 teams get 2 in-region games against a quality opponent.  And of course we should see more and more of these types of "tournaments" popping up.

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realist

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Quote from: HopeConvert on November 05, 2013, 07:07:22 AM
Quote from: goodknight on November 04, 2013, 11:43:33 PM
Big changes coming for next academic year in the expansion of the D3 in-region territory boundaries from its current 200-mile radius to a 500-mile radius.

The NCAA also will no longer permit post-season conference tournament games to count as in-region games in satisfying the 70 percent threshold.

Look for MIAA and CCIW schools to get a lot more familiar with each other in the years ahead.

One hopes the NCAC and OAC as well.

I seriously doubt if this change will impact play versus NCAC or OAC at all.  There are no more incentives for the Ohio schools to schedule MIAA teams under these new rules than there are under the present rules.  Personally I had hoped we would see the end of the CU/AQ Hall of Fame games, and opponents like Grace Bible, but this change actually makes Calvin's scheduling job much easier.  The CCIW/MIAA challenge games plus Anderson and Manchester get Calvin to the 18 game 70% threshold.  If 70% remains the threshold I really don't see where it is going to promote very many more D3 games.
Change the threshold to 75 or 80, and it would require 1 or 2 more in region D3 games.
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oldknight

Quote from: realist on November 05, 2013, 11:40:36 AM
Quote from: HopeConvert on November 05, 2013, 07:07:22 AM
Quote from: goodknight on November 04, 2013, 11:43:33 PM
Big changes coming for next academic year in the expansion of the D3 in-region territory boundaries from its current 200-mile radius to a 500-mile radius.

The NCAA also will no longer permit post-season conference tournament games to count as in-region games in satisfying the 70 percent threshold.

Look for MIAA and CCIW schools to get a lot more familiar with each other in the years ahead.

One hopes the NCAC and OAC as well.

I seriously doubt if this change will impact play versus NCAC or OAC at all.  There are no more incentives for the Ohio schools to schedule MIAA teams under these new rules than there are under the present rules.  Personally I had hoped we would see the end of the CU/AQ Hall of Fame games, and opponents like Grace Bible, but this change actually makes Calvin's scheduling job much easier.  The CCIW/MIAA challenge games plus Anderson and Manchester get Calvin to the 18 game 70% threshold.  If 70% remains the threshold I really don't see where it is going to promote very many more D3 games.
Change the threshold to 75 or 80, and it would require 1 or 2 more in region D3 games.

This being Guy Fawkes Day, I'm surprised HC surfaced. I would have thought the 408th anniversary of The Gunpowder Plot would have caused him to keep a low profile. ;)

Realist is correct to note that the change in rules shouldn't impact the relationship between MIAA schools and those from the NCAC or OAC. Those are in-region games under current rules. I would love to see more contests involving teams from these conferences.

northb

Quote from: goodknight on November 04, 2013, 11:43:33 PM
Big changes coming for next academic year in the expansion of the D3 in-region territory boundaries from its current 200-mile radius to a 500-mile radius.

The NCAA also will no longer permit post-season conference tournament games to count as in-region games in satisfying the 70 percent threshold.

Look for MIAA and CCIW schools to get a lot more familiar with each other in the years ahead.

Can we still take the Ferry?
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Flying Dutch Fan

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And the rosters are now complete - here is Olivet's:

http://www.olivetcomets.com/sports/mbkb/2013-14/roster

In keeping with the rest of the league - a very young team.  18 guys listed - 11 of them Freshman, and only a single Senior.  I believe the league has a total of 18 seniors!!!!
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sac

Three obvious missing from Olivet

DaunTrell Hill......was listed a Jr. last year, but apparently has played too much college basketball and his eligibility has run out

Jeff Cain.......enrolled at Lansing Community College

Marquis Childers....was he a Sr?


Along with graduations, the Comets have lost 6 of their top 8 minutes guys from a team that was barely 9 or 10 deep, but mostly 8 deep.

sac

Albion's Tournament the first weekend has finally been settled in a traditional tournament format.

Friday
Mt. Vernon Nazarene vs Northern Michigan
College of Faith vs Albion

Adding Northern Michigan is interesting, Bill Sall has a complete rebuild up North and added 6 transfers to a pretty young team.


Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: northb on November 05, 2013, 12:21:19 PM
Quote from: goodknight on November 04, 2013, 11:43:33 PM
Big changes coming for next academic year in the expansion of the D3 in-region territory boundaries from its current 200-mile radius to a 500-mile radius.

The NCAA also will no longer permit post-season conference tournament games to count as in-region games in satisfying the 70 percent threshold.

Look for MIAA and CCIW schools to get a lot more familiar with each other in the years ahead.

Can we still take the Ferry?

It is still legal, but no longer required. ;D

HopeConvert

Quote from: oldknight on November 05, 2013, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: realist on November 05, 2013, 11:40:36 AM
Quote from: HopeConvert on November 05, 2013, 07:07:22 AM
Quote from: goodknight on November 04, 2013, 11:43:33 PM
Big changes coming for next academic year in the expansion of the D3 in-region territory boundaries from its current 200-mile radius to a 500-mile radius.

The NCAA also will no longer permit post-season conference tournament games to count as in-region games in satisfying the 70 percent threshold.

Look for MIAA and CCIW schools to get a lot more familiar with each other in the years ahead.

One hopes the NCAC and OAC as well.

I seriously doubt if this change will impact play versus NCAC or OAC at all.  There are no more incentives for the Ohio schools to schedule MIAA teams under these new rules than there are under the present rules.  Personally I had hoped we would see the end of the CU/AQ Hall of Fame games, and opponents like Grace Bible, but this change actually makes Calvin's scheduling job much easier.  The CCIW/MIAA challenge games plus Anderson and Manchester get Calvin to the 18 game 70% threshold.  If 70% remains the threshold I really don't see where it is going to promote very many more D3 games.
Change the threshold to 75 or 80, and it would require 1 or 2 more in region D3 games.

This being Guy Fawkes Day, I'm surprised HC surfaced. I would have thought the 408th anniversary of The Gunpowder Plot would have caused him to keep a low profile. ;)

Realist is correct to note that the change in rules shouldn't impact the relationship between MIAA schools and those from the NCAC or OAC. Those are in-region games under current rules. I would love to see more contests involving teams from these conferences.

I was not involved in the plot, but am not wholly unsympathetic to it. On a related note, Guy Fawkes was a topic of conversation in class today and, furthermore, I had a sampler at "Our Brewing Company" in Holland, one of which was their "Pirate Stout," which has as one of its ingredients - and I'm not making this up - gunpowder. So OK wasn't far off when suggesting a papist such as myself might want to lay low around the reformers on a day such as this.
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With all the rosters available, I have compiled the following data (Note that the Varisty Min are career numbers, while the % are relative to the 12-13 season):


Team     Returning   Varsity Min     Points      Rebounds      Assists      Steals      Minutes
Adrian     7   3471      45.3%      35.6%      40.7%      50.2%      44.3%
Albion     8   3450      50.7%      46.7%      52.0%      53.4%      51.4%
Alma     9   4333      66.1%      52.2%      57.6%      68.7%      59.0%
Calvin     9   5852      53.1%      56.6%      39.8%      43.7%      53.9%
Hope     8   4482      47.1%      48.4%      45.8%      56.1%      51.6%
Kalamazoo     13   7506      80.8%      80.8%      81.1%      84.49%      85.0%
Olivet     4   1853      32.3%      29.3%      29.5%      40.6%      32.5%
Trine     8   3577      47.8%      58.0%      66.8%      52.6%      63.5%

Just a little disparity between Kalamazoo and Olivet  ::)
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sac

Trine and Alma look better on that chart than you might have guessed.

KnightSlappy

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 06, 2013, 03:36:32 PM
With all the rosters available, I have compiled the following data (Note that the Varisty Min are career numbers, while the % are relative to the 12-13 season):


Team     Returning   Varsity Min     Points      Rebounds      Assists      Steals      Minutes
Adrian     7   3471      45.3%      35.6%      40.7%      50.2%      44.3%
Albion     8   3450      50.7%      46.7%      52.0%      53.4%      51.4%
Alma     9   4333      66.1%      52.2%      57.6%      68.7%      59.0%
Calvin     9   5852      53.1%      56.6%      39.8%      43.7%      53.9%
Hope     8   4482      47.1%      48.4%      45.8%      56.1%      51.6%
Kalamazoo     13   7506      80.8%      80.8%      81.1%      84.49%      85.0%
Olivet     4   1853      32.3%      29.3%      29.5%      40.6%      32.5%
Trine     8   3577      47.8%      58.0%      66.8%      52.6%      63.5%

Just a little disparity between Kalamazoo and Olivet  ::)

The assists is the one thing for Calvin that makes me nervous. Rietema, Powell, and Snikkers were all quite good at dishing the ball and keeping it moving (despite Tom and Bryan shooting an awful lot). They'll need to find that same movement with the others this season.

HollandKnight

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 06, 2013, 03:36:32 PM
With all the rosters available, I have compiled the following data (Note that the Varisty Min are career numbers, while the % are relative to the 12-13 season):


Team     Returning   Varsity Min     Points      Rebounds      Assists      Steals      Minutes
Adrian     7   3471      45.3%      35.6%      40.7%      50.2%      44.3%
Albion     8   3450      50.7%      46.7%      52.0%      53.4%      51.4%
Alma     9   4333      66.1%      52.2%      57.6%      68.7%      59.0%
Calvin     9   5852      53.1%      56.6%      39.8%      43.7%      53.9%
Hope     8   4482      47.1%      48.4%      45.8%      56.1%      51.6%
Kalamazoo     13   7506      80.8%      80.8%      81.1%      84.49%      85.0%
Olivet     4   1853      32.3%      29.3%      29.5%      40.6%      32.5%
Trine     8   3577      47.8%      58.0%      66.8%      52.6%      63.5%

Just a little disparity between Kalamazoo and Olivet  ::)
Seeing Olivet with the amount of returning players that they have, may cause the Comets to panic. With the season they had last year it may be hard to duplicate. But there always is the excitement of a fresh slate and stirring the pot. They still have the return of talented point guard Blake Krum and a plethora of freshman. There season is up in the air but it may be a positive one.
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Flying Dutch Fan

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on November 06, 2013, 03:36:32 PM
With all the rosters available, I have compiled the following data (Note that the Varisty Min are career numbers, while the % are relative to the 12-13 season):


Team     Returning   Varsity Min     Points      Rebounds      Assists      Steals      Minutes
Adrian     7   3471      45.3%      35.6%      40.7%      50.2%      44.3%
Albion     8   3450      50.7%      46.7%      52.0%      53.4%      51.4%
Alma     9   4333      66.1%      52.2%      57.6%      68.7%      59.0%
Calvin     9   5852      53.1%      56.6%      39.8%      43.7%      53.9%
Hope     8   4482      47.1%      48.4%      45.8%      56.1%      51.6%
Kalamazoo     13   7506      80.8%      80.8%      81.1%      84.49%      85.0%
Olivet     4   1853      32.3%      29.3%      29.5%      40.6%      32.5%
Trine     8   3577      47.8%      58.0%      66.8%      52.6%      63.5%

Just a little disparity between Kalamazoo and Olivet  ::)

One additional stat to consider.  I divided the number of varsity minutes by the number of returning players - so an average of mins/ returning player:

385.7  Adrian
431.3  Albion
481.4  Alma
650.2  Calvin
560.3  Hope
577.4  Kalamazoo
463.3  Olivet
447.1  Trine




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