MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

Adam Peters continues to impress me with his play this year.  If there were a most improved award given by the coaches, my guess is he would be a strong contender. 

From what I've seen, I would say Tyler Good(Trine), Adam Peters(Kzoo) and Carter Elliot(Albion) have all improved quite a bit from last year to this year.

[calvinite]

According to the officials mechanics book, the underneath official is not to look at the ball during the shot, that is the responsibility of the of the other officials.  Who is watching the players underneath and around the basket if he is watching the ball.  If the underneath official would of called goal tending or basket interference he would of been ripped by his fellow officials or any league official who might be observing.  Goal tending or basket interference is not the responsibility of the underneath official.

Probably too much time spent on a single ref's call that really had no bearing no the outcome of the game (sorry I brought it up and then continue to write about it). I don't know anything about the proper mechanics of which refs make which calls and the like. As I mentioned, I had a poor view of the shot because I was behind the basket. My intention was not to blame the refs but to express disappointment that Mickey wasn't given credit for an incredibly athletic shot in which (it seemed to me) he was falling backward and to the side when he tipped the ball into the basket. It's a shot that would have been put on the 'highlight' video of the game IF it had counted which it didn't. 

[KnightSlappy]

According to the officials mechanics book, the underneath official is not to look at the ball during the shot, that is the responsibility of the of the other officials.  Who is watching the players underneath and around the basket if he is watching the ball.  If the underneath official would of called goal tending or basket interference he would of been ripped by his fellow officials or any league official who might be observing.  Goal tending or basket interference is not the responsibility of the underneath official.

Probably too much time spent on a single ref's call that really had no bearing no the outcome of the game (sorry I brought it up and then continue to write about it). I don't know anything about the proper mechanics of which refs make which calls and the like. As I mentioned, I had a poor view of the shot because I was behind the basket. My intention was not to blame the refs but to express disappointment that Mickey wasn't given credit for an incredibly athletic shot in which (it seemed to me) he was falling backward and to the side when he tipped the ball into the basket. It's a shot that would have been put on the 'highlight' video of the game IF it had counted which it didn't.

Here's a screenshot of the play a split-second before Mickey's tip. Just because it's interesting for the discussion, not because it had any particular impact on the game.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cr9ytqfrnebn64v/Tip-in.jpg

[BogeyMan]

According to the officials mechanics book, the underneath official is not to look at the ball during the shot, that is the responsibility of the of the other officials.  Who is watching the players underneath and around the basket if he is watching the ball.  If the underneath official would of called goal tending or basket interference he would of been ripped by his fellow officials or any league official who might be observing.  Goal tending or basket interference is not the responsibility of the underneath official.

Probably too much time spent on a single ref's call that really had no bearing no the outcome of the game (sorry I brought it up and then continue to write about it). I don't know anything about the proper mechanics of which refs make which calls and the like. As I mentioned, I had a poor view of the shot because I was behind the basket. My intention was not to blame the refs but to express disappointment that Mickey wasn't given credit for an incredibly athletic shot in which (it seemed to me) he was falling backward and to the side when he tipped the ball into the basket. It's a shot that would have been put on the 'highlight' video of the game IF it had counted which it didn't.

Here's a screenshot of the play a split-second before Mickey's tip. Just because it's interesting for the discussion, not because it had any particular impact on the game.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cr9ytqfrnebn64v/Tip-in.jpg

Ball looks like it is outside the cylinder.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Tyler Kruis is set to become the 23rd member of Calvin's 1000 point club soon.  I've got him at 965 career points scored, so he'll most likely hit the milestone at Historic Kresge on 1/29 or at home vs Alma on 2/1.

[calvinite]

Fact or Myth: Aaron Winkle stole a pass and scored an emphatic dunk on his 1000th point for Calvin College at the old field house? Although I was at the game when this happened, I'm wondering if I'm attributing mythological status to an event sort of like Babe Ruth pointing his bat where he was next going to hit a home room..... or maybe that was a fact....

Just curious.

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Fact or Myth: Aaron Winkle stole a pass and scored an emphatic dunk on his 1000th point for Calvin College at the old field house? Although I was at the game when this happened, I'm wondering if I'm attributing mythological status to an event sort of like Babe Ruth pointing his bat where he was next going to hit a home room..... or maybe that was a fact....

Just curious.

Tyler Kruis nailing a long three pointer for his 1000th point would be akin to when Wade Boggs hit a home run for his 3000th hit. 

[sac]

According to the officials mechanics book, the underneath official is not to look at the ball during the shot, that is the responsibility of the of the other officials.  Who is watching the players underneath and around the basket if he is watching the ball.  If the underneath official would of called goal tending or basket interference he would of been ripped by his fellow officials or any league official who might be observing.  Goal tending or basket interference is not the responsibility of the underneath official.

Probably too much time spent on a single ref's call that really had no bearing no the outcome of the game (sorry I brought it up and then continue to write about it). I don't know anything about the proper mechanics of which refs make which calls and the like. As I mentioned, I had a poor view of the shot because I was behind the basket. My intention was not to blame the refs but to express disappointment that Mickey wasn't given credit for an incredibly athletic shot in which (it seemed to me) he was falling backward and to the side when he tipped the ball into the basket. It's a shot that would have been put on the 'highlight' video of the game IF it had counted which it didn't.

Here's a screenshot of the play a split-second before Mickey's tip. Just because it's interesting for the discussion, not because it had any particular impact on the game.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cr9ytqfrnebn64v/Tip-in.jpg

Is that ball touching the rim when he makes contact?  My x-ray, infrared, super spy satellite isn't working this afternoon.

[almcguirejr]

According to the officials mechanics book, the underneath official is not to look at the ball during the shot, that is the responsibility of the of the other officials.  Who is watching the players underneath and around the basket if he is watching the ball.  If the underneath official would of called goal tending or basket interference he would of been ripped by his fellow officials or any league official who might be observing.  Goal tending or basket interference is not the responsibility of the underneath official.

Probably too much time spent on a single ref's call that really had no bearing no the outcome of the game (sorry I brought it up and then continue to write about it). I don't know anything about the proper mechanics of which refs make which calls and the like. As I mentioned, I had a poor view of the shot because I was behind the basket. My intention was not to blame the refs but to express disappointment that Mickey wasn't given credit for an incredibly athletic shot in which (it seemed to me) he was falling backward and to the side when he tipped the ball into the basket. It's a shot that would have been put on the 'highlight' video of the game IF it had counted which it didn't.

Here's a screenshot of the play a split-second before Mickey's tip. Just because it's interesting for the discussion, not because it had any particular impact on the game.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cr9ytqfrnebn64v/Tip-in.jpg

Is that ball touching the rim when he makes contact?  My x-ray, infrared, super spy satellite isn't working this afternoon.

Watching it live from a good angle I didn't agree with the call but I'm not not sure this screenshot definitively proves that.  The thing that stands out in the picture to me is you can't see any numbers on Calvin's jersey's.  I'm not a fan of the current Calvin uniform.  I prefer the contrasting colored number on the uniforms

[scottiedawg]

Prompted by some in-person feedback I looked at Hope's stats for the year.  I excluded Hope players not averaging 10 minutes per game.

37% shooting from the floor
26% shooting from 3
62% shooting from the FT line
3rd worst Pts/FG attempt
5th worst Reb/Min
2nd best TO/min

3rd HIGHEST MIN PER GAME!!

How in the world is Grant Neil playing 25.8 minutes per game? Is he some sort of defensive wizard?

I don't the role Neil plays on the team, or the role McMahon and Byers play, but here are their stats for comparison

Corey McMahon
42% shooting from the floor
48% shooting from 3
100% shooting from the FT line
4th best Pts/FG attempt
Worst Reb/Min
3rd best TO/min
15.1 minutes per game

Caleb Byers
44% shooting from the floor
11% shooting from 3
57% shooting from the FT line
3rd worst Pts/FG attempt
4th best Reb/Min
5th worst TO/min
15.4 minutes per game

It looks like I'm not the first:

I've been biting my tongue on this all year, but yesterday it was even more clear: Grant Neil is simply playing too many minutes for this team. Hope is playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end when he's in the game. Hope significantly expanded its lead when he was out with foul trouble.

As a Calvin fan, there's no such thing as too much Grant Neil. Give him as many minutes as he can handle.

[calvinite]

Just for clarification, does the first set of stats belong to Neil (I assume so) and not the team averages for Hope?

*I don't like coaches coaching their own kids. Half the time the coach treats his/her kids too favorably and the other half of the time he/she treats his kid too unfavorably. I've seen it both ways, and it's never pretty. Heck, as paradoxical as this may sound, half the time half of the spectators will think the coach is being too nice and the other half of the spectators think he's being too mean. 'Spectators' and 'nice' and 'mean' etc. are all 'general' terms. There are probably better words to use here. Playing time is ALWAYS tricky and problematic even without the bias of family factoring in.

[KnightSlappy]

Just for clarification, does the first set of stats belong to Neil (I assume so) and not the team averages for Hope?

*I don't like coaches coaching their own kids. Half the time the coach treats his/her kids too favorably and the other half of the time he/she treats his kid too unfavorably. I've seen it both ways, and it's never pretty. Heck, as paradoxical as this may sound, half the time half of the spectators will think the coach is being too nice and the other half of the spectators think he's being too mean. 'Spectators' and 'nice' and 'mean' etc. are all 'general' terms. There are probably better words to use here. Playing time is ALWAYS tricky and problematic even without the bias of family factoring in.

I think the first set is team totals including only player who average 10 or more minutes per game.

[calvinite]

That's how I first read it, but how can the team (averaging more than 10 minutes) be the "3rd HIGHEST MIN "? Plus, without Neil's stats, the other sets of stats aren't really helpful....

But, I'm not sure which is why I asked for clarification.

[scottiedawg]

Just for clarification, does the first set of stats belong to Neil (I assume so) and not the team averages for Hope?

Yes.

For context on the "ranking" stats, 11 Hope players average 10 min per game or more.

[sac]

McMahon subbing for Neil is not a like for like sub, McMahon almost always plays the two.  Byers almost always plays the 4 except in situations where Benson/VanArendonk are in the game together.  IMO, Neil is a better defender than Byers and Byers has improved quite a bit from a year ago.  Not to mention Byers was slowed by his foot injury, he just returned to full game action only a month ago.

Hope is a little thin at the 3 spot.