MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[wiz]

-11 since last night, what a petty board.

Is there a way to find out how much karma you've lost or gained in a given time or do you actually have to write it down/remember it since the last time you checked your status?

Yes. Everyone starts with 0/0 so the + is how much you've gained and the - is how much you've lost. Anything detailed beyond that is petty.

That's what I was wondering.  So if I am past 0/0 and haven't looked at in a while, there would be know way of me knowing what I've gained/lost during a given time period unless I was so concerned about it that I made a note to remember where I was before that said time period?  Why do we even have "karma" on this site?

Unless one was narcissistic, who would even care about their karma?
What I care about is good basketball.  Weren't the Calvin teams wonderful yesterday!

[northb]

As a Calvin fan, let me say thanks to the Hope team and fans for a great year.  All three games with Hope were competitive, and despite some other great competition, we got to play each other for all the marbles.  Let's accept the court-storming issue for what it was, along with Sac's loss of Karma.  Points have been made.

But what a great game!  Mrs. Northb had scheduled us for some social engagements last night, and try as I might, I could not find the score in-between courses at Carraba's.  (Our friends must have thought I had a UTI or a weak bladder, as much as I was sneaking off to the restroom!).  I got home, and read the board up until the notice about the MVP, assumed that meant Brink, so I figured Calvin had won, and went to bed, realizing all was right with the world.  I got up early enough to watch the archived version before church, and as I sped through the game, I was thinking maybe I had misinterpreted that post, or that maybe Calvin would mount a comeback. As time dwindled down, I was certain that it was the former when boom-boom-boom, all of a sudden they are in the game.  I think it was even more exhilarating watching this unfold even faster than "real-time" as I could jump over the time-outs, etc.  Then I realized that the post had meant Brink and watched as I knew he would throw that final dagger. 

As the Calvin sports report said, "An instant classic."

A question: earlier on this board there was a note that it had been several years since Hope or Calvin swept the regular season on both the men's and women's sides.  Anyone know how long it has been since on team went 3-0 on both sides?



   

[sac]

I hope this reaches the right people, and I'm asking for help of fellow posters and anyone else who might have been at the game tonight.


Hope and Calvin are in a position to be leaders on an issue that is getting more and more national attention.  As silly as it sounds, court rushes.  What happened at the end of this game was extremely dangerous.  I care too much about what goes on in this game to see it marred permanently by something that can be prevented.

I'm asking those of you in attendance tonight to let both the Hope and Calvin AD's know that you'd like a copy of the video sent to ESPN about what could potentially go wrong at the end of a game.  We were way, way to close to something very serious happening and its just not worth it.

It does not take much for a person to be crushed and seriously or permanently injured. 

Thanks.

Don't you usually have something to say about the actual game?

Pardon me for trying to turn what could have been a huge negative into something positive.

Sorry you don't share my concern for what happened last night.  When that horn blew I was disappointed in the outcome of a game, that immediately turned to concern for the safety of two players from both teams in a position to be trampled.  There were fans who came out of the stands to help, all it would have taken was one person interpreting that wrong and throwing a punch and then we have a big, big problem.

I don't want to be in the gym while a kid has to be resuscitated because they were crushed under a pile of bodies because someone tripped.  When I was in high school a class mate of mine took a hard foul on what would now be considered a flagrant foul.  He hit his head and bit his tongue which swelled blocking his airway.  I had to sit there with 1500 other people watching a kids face turn blue while we all helplessly waited an excruciating 4 minutes for an ambulance.  I don't want to ever see that again, not anywhere.

While I see where you're coming from, that's not even close to an apples to apples comparison. That's like comparing Wes Leonard's death to a concussion from a big football hit. One was a terrible freak accident and one is part of the game. While the story you told is very terrible and I can't imagine what it would be like in that position, the school administration and players did a pretty good job of getting Gardner up and out of the way and I think this situation was mildly blown out of proportion.

this is not blown out of proportion

[Knight2Day]

I hope this reaches the right people, and I'm asking for help of fellow posters and anyone else who might have been at the game tonight.


Hope and Calvin are in a position to be leaders on an issue that is getting more and more national attention.  As silly as it sounds, court rushes.  What happened at the end of this game was extremely dangerous.  I care too much about what goes on in this game to see it marred permanently by something that can be prevented.

I'm asking those of you in attendance tonight to let both the Hope and Calvin AD's know that you'd like a copy of the video sent to ESPN about what could potentially go wrong at the end of a game.  We were way, way to close to something very serious happening and its just not worth it.

It does not take much for a person to be crushed and seriously or permanently injured. 

Thanks.

Don't you usually have something to say about the actual game?

Pardon me for trying to turn what could have been a huge negative into something positive.

Sorry you don't share my concern for what happened last night.  When that horn blew I was disappointed in the outcome of a game, that immediately turned to concern for the safety of two players from both teams in a position to be trampled.  There were fans who came out of the stands to help, all it would have taken was one person interpreting that wrong and throwing a punch and then we have a big, big problem.

I don't want to be in the gym while a kid has to be resuscitated because they were crushed under a pile of bodies because someone tripped.  When I was in high school a class mate of mine took a hard foul on what would now be considered a flagrant foul.  He hit his head and bit his tongue which swelled blocking his airway.  I had to sit there with 1500 other people watching a kids face turn blue while we all helplessly waited an excruciating 4 minutes for an ambulance.  I don't want to ever see that again, not anywhere.

While I see where you're coming from, that's not even close to an apples to apples comparison. That's like comparing Wes Leonard's death to a concussion from a big football hit. One was a terrible freak accident and one is part of the game. While the story you told is very terrible and I can't imagine what it would be like in that position, the school administration and players did a pretty good job of getting Gardner up and out of the way and I think this situation was mildly blown out of proportion.

this is not blown out of proportion

I disagree, Scott, and so do most people.

[MaroonKnighty]

SAC, give it a rest already.  I've watched the end of the game over and over.  Gardner had plenty of time to get up and out of the way but he chose to lay on the floor like a baby after losing the game.  With 5.3 seconds left in the game Gardner had a chance to score and win the game for hope but he lost control of the ball, immediately after he had a little S fit and couldn't believe that the almighty flying dutch were about to lose.  His time reflecting on the loss would have been better spent in the locker room or on the bus than on the middle of the court after an epic come from behind win by the Knights.  What do you expect the fans to do but storm the court?

This was a great Calvin/hope game, one to go down in the books.  The players and fans all helped to make sure nobody got hurt which is how it should work.  The picture you posted shows a calm Calvin player and a couple P.O'd hope players helping someone up off the floor, don't know if it's Gardner or a fan but I don't see any aggression, only people taking action in this situation making sure that the fans can have their celebration while the players stay safe.  I'm so happy that Mitchell didn't make it into the mix or things would have been much worse based on his antics after the game.

[MaroonKnighty]

Are there any other hope posters on this board that wish to chime in on the game last night?  It's nice to get more than one or two perspectives.

[almcguirejr]

Watched the last 5 minutes of the game a couple times today:

-Stout's block of Benson at about the 3 minute mark looked like a good clean block.  There is clear separation between their bodies and Stout's hand appears to be on top of the ball.  Mitchell went nuts over the non call.

- T.J. Huizenga sprint to get the offensive rebound at the 1:15 mark or so was more impressive the second time around.  He started outside the 3 point arc in front of Calvin's bench and just out hustled
everyone on the floor to the other side of the basket to get a 3 point play.

- KVS almost calling a timeout before Brink's shot went through the net with 5 seconds to go. He was poised, aware of the situation, and responded immediately.

- Daley and Gardner both go to the floor at the end of the game.  Daley gets up immediately and Gardner lays out fully prone.  A Hope player (Stuive?) arrives to help Gardner up,  Gardner  doesn't respond to it, and they are engulfed in humanity. 

[arena]

I can't believe hope fans wouldn't have stormed the court had it won either. They would have and it wouldn't have surprised me if they would have done some silly taunting dance at half court either.

[calvinite]

I have serious concern about a safety issue that occurred in yesterday's game. I mention it not just in light of the other safety issues that have been brought up, but because my wife mentioned it to me during the game yesterday: she asked, "Is that safe? They shouldn't be permitted to do that." The issue my wife was concerned about involved the 'rowing' of the Dew Crew in which the entire bleacher section was moving back and forth and student leaders were walking among the students who were doing this. Imagine if the bleachers collapsed or students smashed their skulls together or any other manner of serious consequences. While we are on the subject of safety, I'm not so sure the cheer leading that takes place at these games is safe, either. SAC's concerned about students rushing the floor, and I'm sure some injuries do occur. I was disappointed in some of the after-game activities, too, but Cheer leading injuries are well documented, serious, and more prevalent than many might realize. Just do a Google search. Here's one article: http://www.livescience.com/2775-girls-dangerous-sport-cheerleading.html but there are dozens of others. If we are really serious about injuries, we should get rid of dangerous cheer leading activities.

[GoKnights68]

A question: earlier on this board there was a note that it had been several years since Hope or Calvin swept the regular season on both the men's and women's sides.  Anyone know how long it has been since on team went 3-0 on both sides?

Hope I am interpreting your question correctly, but the answer is Hope did for both Men and Women  in 1995.   And off the top of my head, if we're just talking about the men's side, I know Hope men went 3-0 in 2012 (and just before that in 2008).  You'd have to back to 1993 the last time Calvin men went 3-0 was Hope.   There's some years of course out there that they each only played twice.

[HollandKnight]

I hope this reaches the right people, and I'm asking for help of fellow posters and anyone else who might have been at the game tonight.


Hope and Calvin are in a position to be leaders on an issue that is getting more and more national attention.  As silly as it sounds, court rushes.  What happened at the end of this game was extremely dangerous.  I care too much about what goes on in this game to see it marred permanently by something that can be prevented.

I'm asking those of you in attendance tonight to let both the Hope and Calvin AD's know that you'd like a copy of the video sent to ESPN about what could potentially go wrong at the end of a game.  We were way, way to close to something very serious happening and its just not worth it.

It does not take much for a person to be crushed and seriously or permanently injured. 

Thanks.

Don't you usually have something to say about the actual game?

Pardon me for trying to turn what could have been a huge negative into something positive.

Sorry you don't share my concern for what happened last night.  When that horn blew I was disappointed in the outcome of a game, that immediately turned to concern for the safety of two players from both teams in a position to be trampled.  There were fans who came out of the stands to help, all it would have taken was one person interpreting that wrong and throwing a punch and then we have a big, big problem.

I don't want to be in the gym while a kid has to be resuscitated because they were crushed under a pile of bodies because someone tripped.  When I was in high school a class mate of mine took a hard foul on what would now be considered a flagrant foul.  He hit his head and bit his tongue which swelled blocking his airway.  I had to sit there with 1500 other people watching a kids face turn blue while we all helplessly waited an excruciating 4 minutes for an ambulance.  I don't want to ever see that again, not anywhere.

While I see where you're coming from, that's not even close to an apples to apples comparison. That's like comparing Wes Leonard's death to a concussion from a big football hit. One was a terrible freak accident and one is part of the game. While the story you told is very terrible and I can't imagine what it would be like in that position, the school administration and players did a pretty good job of getting Gardner up and out of the way and I think this situation was mildly blown out of proportion.

this is not blown out of proportion

I disagree, Scott, and so do most people.

All the kid had to do was pick his sorry butt off the ground, end of discussion. The loss must be disappointing but, if your so bitter about how the game ended or the teams conducted themselves, sulk silently in your orange and blue laden rooms.

[sac]

Wow is all I have to say.  You guys really have no idea how serious that was.  Not once have I layed blame and only asked those who felt the same to bring the issue before their respective ad's in the hopes the two colleges could make it better in the future.

You've chosen to attack me and now a player.  What is wrong with all you?

[GoKnights68]

Wow is all I have to say.  You guys really have no idea how serious that was.  Not once have I layed blame and only asked those who felt the same to bring the issue before their respective ad's in the hopes the two colleges could make it better in the future.

You've chosen to attack me and now a player.  What is wrong with all you?

What exactly is it that you wan't us to all do?  Just because we're not posting every second how serious it is doesn't mean  we don't think it's serious?  Maybe some came to post about the actual game?    You got your wish in that mlive and the detnews have posted articles about that.   You suggested that all 3,000 plus in attendance ask for the Calvin and Hope AD to send a copy of the video to ESPN... do you need proof of that actually happening to be satisfied and content?  Do we need to get CNN involved?

[arena]

Put on your coaching hat.  Critique Mitchell's coaching during the game. Seems to me he lost focus, and that lack of focus showed in how well hope executed at the end of the game. Honestly, if KVS was in Mitchell's place. I'd be calling for his job.

[northb]

Put on your coaching hat.  Critique Mitchell's coaching during the game. Seems to me he lost focus, and that lack of focus showed in how well hope executed at the end of the game. Honestly, if KVS was in Mitchell's place. I'd be calling for his job.

We did to Hope what Alma did to us (and KVS) at Alma.

Let's put the other issue behind.  Calvin posters, let's enjoy a phenomenal win.  Let's not malign and use pejorative terms about posters or players.  Can't we all just get along? 

(The following is meant as no offense to you, Sac):  Posters, if you think Sac  is being thin-skinned about this, let it go.  He adds a tremendous amount to this board and several others.  I'd hate to lose his insight.