MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[dren]

I'm done reading posts about officials.  I refuse to believe that they cost Calvin the game as much as I refuse to believe that the officials cost Hope the game at Calvin.

The knights simply did not execute and were defeated by the Dutchmen.  

Had the Dutchmen made their freethrows down the stretch Hope would have won by 8 regardless.

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Congrats to the knights on a great season and a MIAA regular season crown.

looked at some of the preseaon thoughts on the knights...

FDF
"5 freshman and 3 sophomores on a 14 man roster - definitely a young team. I watched Calvin play something like 9 or 10 games last year and was impressed mostly with their depth.  With graduation and now Hoekstra, Roelofs, and Gerth gone, it may be a tough year for the Knights."

Calvin_Grad
"Without Roelofs, Hoekstra, Gerth, and a proven point guard plus with a young, inexperienced bench I would be surprised if Calvin finished higher than 4th in the league.  They certainly aren't going to challenge for the league title.  I think hosting a first round MIAA tournament game is about as good as I expect.  I can see it being a long year unless some of this freshmen talent develops quickly."

Dark Knight
"Wow, 5 freshmen! 2 new sophomores! The main inside scoring threats are gone. There's still some beef in the middle, but the inside-outside scoring threat doesn't work as well sans the inside part. Looks like it could be a rebuilding year for the knights."

NorthB
"Let's not write Calvin off so fast--remember last year when many prognosticators expected very little from then, and they went to the Final Four!  Tradition, coaching and overall excellence of the program still count for something."

[knightmoves]

Whatever all of you prognosticators had in your water, I hope you get it tested so you don't make the same mistake again next year. Calvin was picked to finish 4th in the MIAA this year & look what happened. In fact, after VanAndel, I said it was going to be a very long year.
I have followed the Knights forever & this is the best nucleus of young players I have seen coming back in a long time, so obviously I've already gone into "wait until next year" mode.
I'll be like a kid all off season, saying "are we there yet?"

[ziggy]

Well, things seem pretty tense around here so I think we need a little humor Hope and Calvin fans can all appreciate
         

[Flying Dutch Fan]

TigerFan - Civic Minded and I will definitely be there on Friday (and HOPEfully Saturday as well).  It's always great to meet other posters, so we should set-up a metting time and place - but I'll leave that up to you.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I put together the stats for Hope and Witt - here are the OFFENSIVE stats for both teams

Team Stats	WITT	Hope
SCORING..................	2119	2331
Points per game........	70.6	77.7
Scoring margin.........	16.4	17.5
FIELD GOALS-ATT..........	776-1571	851-1824
Field goal pct.........	0.494	0.467
3 POINT FG-ATT...........	191-492	192-526
3-point FG pct.........	0.388	0.365
3-pt FG made per game..	6.4	6.4
FREE THROWS-ATT..........	376-527	437-637
Free throw pct.........	0.713	0.686
REBOUNDS.................	1120	1192
Rebounds per game......	37.3	39.7
Rebounding margin......	9.8	6.5
ASSISTS..................	409	400
Assists per game.......	13.6	13.3
TURNOVERS................	411	387
Turnovers per game.....	13.7	12.9
Turnover margin........	0	3.7
Assist/turnover ratio..	1	1
STEALS...................	215	280
Steals per game........	7.2	9.3
BLOCKS...................	112	112
Blocks per game........	3.7	3.7
WINNING STREAK...........	6	8
Home win streak........	4	18
ATTENDANCE...............	15833	52819
Home games-Avg/Game....	16-990	18-2934

[Flying Dutch Fan]

And here are the DEFENSIVE stats for both teams:

Team Stats	WITT	Hope
SCORING..................	1628	1805
Points per game........	54.3	60.2
Scoring margin.........	-	-
FIELD GOALS-ATT..........	578-1563	648-1680
Field goal pct.........	0.37	0.386
3 POINT FG-ATT...........	170-562	177-535
3-point FG pct.........	0.302	0.331
3-pt FG made per game..	5.7	5.9
FREE THROWS-ATT..........	302-437	332-500
Free throw pct.........	0.691	0.664
REBOUNDS.................	826	997
Rebounds per game......	27.5	33.2
Rebounding margin......	-	-
ASSISTS..................	270	300
Assists per game.......	9	10
TURNOVERS................	410	498
Turnovers per game.....	13.7	16.6
Turnover margin........	-	-
Assist/turnover ratio..	0.7	0.6
STEALS...................	207	208
Steals per game........	6.9	6.9
BLOCKS...................	60	81
Blocks per game........	2	2.7
WINNING STREAK...........	-	-
Home win streak........	-	-
ATTENDANCE...............	15469	21209
Home games-Avg/Game....	12-1123	9-1670

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Scarily similar stats - which means we should be in for a great game.

[hope1]

tiger fan i will be there  friday we are leaving holland at 11.00

[TigerFan_1973]

I agree that this will be a great game.

Those attendance figures are amazing.  I am surprised that Wittenberg's average attendance is not higher.  How big is the DeVos Building?

I saw some pictures on Hope's web site and it looks like a great facility.

Do Hope students have to promise to be Amway distributors?

[admittedlydutch]

Do Hope students have to promise to be Amway distributors?

Yes, and pretty much anybody who works or plays in a building in West Michigan 

[TigerFan_1973]

tiger fan i will be there  friday we are leaving holland at 11.00

Is it possible to set up another chat topic for this game so that we don't have to post in both forums?

I'm thinking we could all meet each other at halftime of the first game.    Would that work for people coming down?  I know it's a long way because I used to live in Kalamzaoo.  I used to figure six hours getting to Springfield from there with the family.  You guys will probably make it a lot faster.

I went to a game at Calvin once but have never been to Hope.  It's in Holland, which is by Grand Rapids.  Is that right.

I've always gone for both games when I have gone.  It's important to get a good seat and a few hot dogs under your belt before the big game starts.

[Stinger]

And also....the MIAA gets NO RESPECT from the NCAA

Well thats no totally true,  Albion hosted last year and the NCAA President is an Albion grad.  I think they're aware of the MIAA in Indianapolis.

SAC, you're thinking of Ced Dempsey who led the NCAA up until 2003. Myles Brand is not an Albion grad, rather got his degree from RPI. That being said, if the NCAA is going to award a sectional to Albion and Kresge, than you know they're aren't exactly worried about attendance.

[kcrest]

From the Wittenberg website.........ooops

The Tigers, North Coast Athletic Conference Tournament champions for a second straight year, are ranked third in the nation by d3hoops.com with a 27-3 overall record. Hope, the Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association regular season and tournament champions, are ranked second nationally with a 28-2 overall record.

Wow, history got re-written quick.  I'm sure someone from Hope will write Witt and tell them they properly need to credit a 13-1 Calvin season!   

I sent an email to Witt's SID.  I'm sure he will take care of it.

Thanks.  Too early to be giving away regular-season titles.     I envy Hope fans.  That trip to Springfield was always a lot of fun.  Plus for a while there Witt was the coaching springboard from D3 to D1.  It was cool to play a Larry Hunter team and then see him on the D1 sidelines a year or two later.  Last I hear he was at NC State.  The guys after Larry made the jump too if I recall.  Anyhow good memories for me of Springfield and the Witt campus.

[flash96]

I believe in '96 the road went through Witt.  That was a sectional sitek, in addition to those Tiger fan listed.

Just sad that Hope doesn't get to showcase the new fieldhouse for a sectional game.  No respect from the NCAA that is certain!

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Following a great suggestion by TigerFan_1973, I created a new topic in the GL Region for discussing the upcoming games in Springfield.  Saves us from having to post in multiple places.