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oldknight

Quote from: knight4life on February 23, 2017, 09:24:10 PM
Anyone else think that Tony Canonie should have won the league Defensive POY? Seemed like he was always guarding the other teams best player and seemingly shut them down.

Yes, I do. What he's done to Cummings' teammate, Will Dixon, is just one example from the Canonie resume. Trine's leading scorer has gone 8-33 from the floor with Canonie as primary defender. Many times this year he's been asked to guard the best scorer on the opposing team without any meaningful help. Tony frustrated Dante Hawkins too in Saturday's upset of the Flying Dutchmen.

sac

Quote from: HopeConvert on February 23, 2017, 08:19:26 PM
Quote from: sac on February 23, 2017, 04:56:51 PM
Congrats to Harrison Blackledge on being named MVP.  Its been fun to watch him develop as a player during his career, which seems to have gone by in a flash.


Hope landing 3 on the First Team All-MIAA hasn't happened in the era of the league choosing just six players(started in 2008).  In 2006 hope landed 3 on the 8-man All-MIAA Team.  It was a much more common thing then.

An indication of how weak the league is. Hard to see a lot of these players being first team all league in years past.

I'm only going to compare this year to last, there is nothing egregious about these comparison's involving this years first teamers.

eFG%  (This years players in bold)
Nikodemski    73.5
Blackledge     66.9
Gernaat         60.3
Carlson          60.1
Coville            59.1
Daley             58.7
Holmquist      57.7
Gardner         57.4
Hawkins         54.9
Ewing            53.7
Dixon            53.7

Dixon            52.2

Game score minus pts   (rebs, assts, to, blk stls)
Dixon            84.9
Hawkins        81.1
Nikodemski   81.1
Gardner        77.4
Carlson         75.9
Coville           62.8
Holmquist     58.6
Dixon            55.3
Ewing            53.5
Blackledge     39.5
Daley             35.7
Gernaat         21.2

pointlem

Quote from: sac on February 24, 2017, 02:50:29 AM
Quote from: HopeConvert on February 23, 2017, 08:19:26 PM
Quote from: sac on February 23, 2017, 04:56:51 PM
Congrats to Harrison Blackledge on being named MVP.  Its been fun to watch him develop as a player during his career, which seems to have gone by in a flash.


Hope landing 3 on the First Team All-MIAA hasn't happened in the era of the league choosing just six players(started in 2008).  In 2006 hope landed 3 on the 8-man All-MIAA Team.  It was a much more common thing then.

An indication of how weak the league is. Hard to see a lot of these players being first team all league in years past.

I'm only going to compare this year to last, there is nothing egregious about these comparison's involving this years first teamers.

eFG%  (This years players in bold)
Nikodemski    73.5
Blackledge     66.9
Gernaat         60.3
Carlson          60.1
Coville            59.1
Daley             58.7
Holmquist      57.7
Gardner         57.4
Hawkins         54.9
Ewing            53.7
Dixon            53.7

Dixon            52.2

Game score minus pts   (rebs, assts, to, blk stls)
Dixon            84.9
Hawkins        81.1
Nikodemski   81.1
Gardner        77.4
Carlson         75.9
Coville           62.8
Holmquist     58.6
Dixon            55.3
Ewing            53.5
Blackledge     39.5
Daley             35.7
Gernaat         21.2
Thanks, Sac . . . and could you give us a tutorial? I gather that eFG% adjusts shooting percentage with a bonus for 3-point shooting . . . is there a formula?  And how is the "game score minus points" statistic calculated?

HOPEful

I think the fantasy star game of Nikodemski, Coville, Daley, Gardner, DJ Beckman, and Holmquist vs. Dixon, Hawkins, Carlson, Blackledge, Gernaat, and Ewing would be a pretty evenly matched affair.
Let's go Dutchmen!

2015-2016 1-&-Done Tournament Fantasy League Co-Champion

sac

Quote from: pointlem on February 24, 2017, 09:20:24 AM

Thanks, Sac . . . and could you give us a tutorial? I gather that eFG% adjusts shooting percentage with a bonus for 3-point shooting . . . is there a formula?  And how is the "game score minus points" statistic calculated?

Game Score
PTS +( 0.4 * FG) - (0.7 * FGA) - (0.4*(FTA - FT) )+ (0.7 * ORB )+ (0.3 * DRB) + STL + (0.7 * AST )+ (0.7 * BLK) - (0.4 * PF) - TOV.

I didn't find it all that helpful, put if you pull out the points related factors you end up with all the "little" stuff that players do they don't always get recognized for.  I like to think of it as just how much a player is positively affecting the score book.   Not something I really track much until end of season.

sac

Since we went to a 14 game conference schedule in 2005, Chad Carlson made the 2nd most 3's in a league season with 50, Gernaat, Laketa and Washington also cracked the top 12.

3-Point FG's
2009  Wes Weir, Trine                   52
2017  Chad Carlson, Hope       50
2017  Trevor Gernaat, Alma     47

2005  Andy Draayer, Calvin          45
2005  Mo Brookins, Trine             45
2006  Mo Brookins, Trine             44
2007  Derek Griffin, Calvin           44
2012  Cory Schneider, Alma         43
2013  Mark Ghafari, Kzoo            41
2017  Preston Laketa, Alma     41
2017  Aaron Washington, Oli   41

2008  Brandon Way, Olivet           40




wiz

I think I witnessed 4 turnovers from Denney in a 4 minute period in the first half tonight.  Fortunately, Canonie, Welch, Kronemeyer and Wilks were all solid.  Best wishes to the Knights tomorrow night.  It has been fun to watch this team develop as the season has progressed.  Ditto for the Lady Knights and their strong tournament victory tonight as well.

pointlem

Quote from: knight4life on February 23, 2017, 09:24:10 PM
Anyone else think that Tony Canonie should have won the league Defensive POY? Seemed like he was always guarding the other teams best player and seemingly shut them down.
After watching Canonie hold Dante Hawkins to 5 points last week, and frustrate Will Dixon tonight (6 of 18 shooting, with Canonie constantly in his face) I can see your point, Knight4Life. Tony Canonie was by far the best player scoring zero points in tonight's game.

oldknight

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Quote from: pointlem on February 24, 2017, 10:41:18 PM
Quote from: knight4life on February 23, 2017, 09:24:10 PM
Anyone else think that Tony Canonie should have won the league Defensive POY? Seemed like he was always guarding the other teams best player and seemingly shut them down.
After watching Canonie hold Dante Hawkins to 5 points last week, and frustrate Will Dixon tonight (6 of 18 shooting, with Canonie constantly in his face) I can see your point, Knight4Life. Tony Canonie was by far the best player scoring zero points in tonight's game.

It's mindboggling that Canonie was denied the Defensive POY. It really should have been an easy call for the voters.

As for Calvin's 75-64 win, the second half was one of the better 20 minute sessions fans have seen from the Knights in some time. Once they stopped giving the ball back to the Thunder (9 first half turnovers), Calvin's offensive efficiency went up. With Calvin dominating the boards for the second straight game, (16 second chance opportunities), Trine just couldn't keep pace. It would be nice to see tonight's second half play carry over into tomorrow's game. Other game notes:

--Nick Kronemeyer was tremendous. Trine couldn't stop the former Hamilton Hawkeye when he got the ball close to the hoop and Nick finished with 20 points on 9-13 shooting.

--It was obvious Brooks Miller remembered Tony DeWitte's offensive explosion against Trine at VNA. The freshmen couldn't breathe, took only tqo shots and was held scoreless.

--Calvin is a strange team. The Knights starting backcourt fails to score a single point but their two subs score 27. On top of that, their starting power forward was held scoreless too. How often do you see a team win when 3 of their 5 starters don't score? For that matter, how often do you see a game when 3 of a team's 5 starters don't score?

sac

#43780
Calvin 75  Trine 64

Those were two of the ugliest game I can remember in a semi-final but I am old and perhaps I'm wrong.  Looks like Calvin's figured out that not all 3-point shots are good ones, though they still take a hefty amount of bad 18 footers.  They are getting nice play from their bigs and Kronemeyer.

I've watched Trine a half dozen times and never did they look as out of sorts tonight, maybe way back on the first night against Kenyon.  I certainly think the Knights had a lot to do with that.


Hope 63  Alma 45

Imagine scoring 113 points in your last game then 45.  That has to be an extreme very rare in all of college basketball, not just D3.  Harrison Blackledge was the only Dutchmen who showed up and played well, this team is really struggling to just make simple shots.

I've probably said more than enough about this game but here are the Points per possession......<brace yourselves>.


Hope   .807  :( :( :( :( :(
Alma    .571  :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

On the plus side Hope has played some tremendously good defense its last 4 games with barely any offensive reward.  Lookout if they turn that around.

KnightSlappy

Quote from: sac on February 25, 2017, 02:22:15 AM
I've probably said more than enough about this game but here are the Points per possession......<brace yourselves>.


Hope   .807  :( :( :( :( :(
Alma    .571  :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

On the plus side Hope has played some tremendously good defense its last 4 games with barely any offensive reward.  Lookout if they turn that around.

Calvin 1.103  :) :) :)
Trine  0.941  :) :)

HopeConvert

I think it will be helpful tonight if Blackledge does not sit the first five minutes of the game.

It will also be helpful if Hope can have more defensive rebounds than Calvin has offensive ones.

It will also be helpful if Hope can make better than 1 in 4 bunnies.
One Mississippi, Two Mississippi...

oldknight

Quote from: HopeConvert on February 25, 2017, 11:54:13 AM
I think it will be helpful tonight if Blackledge does not sit the first five minutes of the game.

It will also be helpful if Hope can have more defensive rebounds than Calvin has offensive ones.

It will also be helpful if Hope can make better than 1 in 4 bunnies.

It will also be helpful if Calvin doesn't make 22 turnovers like they did last week--nor the 26 Alma committed last night. Yikes!

HopeConvert

Quote from: oldknight on February 25, 2017, 12:01:20 PM
Quote from: HopeConvert on February 25, 2017, 11:54:13 AM
I think it will be helpful tonight if Blackledge does not sit the first five minutes of the game.

It will also be helpful if Hope can have more defensive rebounds than Calvin has offensive ones.

It will also be helpful if Hope can make better than 1 in 4 bunnies.

It will also be helpful if Calvin doesn't make 22 turnovers like they did last week--nor the 26 Alma committed last night. Yikes!

I, for one, found those extremely helpful.
One Mississippi, Two Mississippi...