MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Bob MacKenzie]

Tony Westhouse had a flying one-hander off the left wing at Knollcrest that is the best I've ever seen.  Sherm Karstenen had a beauty for UWSP in the 2000 finals too.

I dont know if it was discussed earlier, but I think one of Witt's big men had the best DIII dunk I have ever seen.  I'm not sure who the player is but he took the ball in the post, pivoted, and threw it down over the Hope defender.  It looked pretty impressive even on that grainy video.  I would have to rank the DIII dunks I have seen like this:

1. Witt big man over Hope in 2005-06 Sectional semi
2. Cramer's drive the lane one hander against Albion in 2005-06 conf. semis
3. Cathage's #50 against Hope in 2005-06 CCIW challenge.  He really rocked the rim
4. Josh Meckes with the buzzer beater alley-oop against Hope in 2004-05 home game
5. Any dunk by Don Overbeek because he was a tank

what about Meckes' dunk at the Civic Center last year, down the lane, right over Phillips?? The basket counted, but a controversial call gave Meckes the foul.

Forgot about that one.  With the foul and all, I still dont think it would crack the five I had before.  That was a bad call, Meckes got no love from that ref on Valentine's day.

[realist]

Quoting Sac:[.....and for the those who go back about 16 years Mark  Lodewyk of Calvin had a collection of great dunks.

Personally I blame KVS for the lack of post play in D3, clearly his inside post defense is too much to handle and teams have given up trying to beat it. 

Yes, I remember many of M. Lodewyk's dunks.  He lived to dunk.  Give him the ball at half court with a lane to the rim, and his eyes blazed, and off he went.  Someone mentioned several weeks ago in the 92 championship game (at Witt) a baseball pass from Hondo to Lodewyk who throws one down at the buzzer (with Eddie Douma trying to wave it off).
Not sure KVS gets all the credit for inventing solid post defense.  Sometimes one does it as few other options are left.  It takes guys who know their roles to make it work.
BMK:  Sherm K. played for UWEC, and yes he was impressive.

[realist]

It is a pity, in many respects, that teams focus on trying to get open looks to throw up a lower percentage 3 passing up higher percentage shots in the paint.  BC, and Albion made a living doing it for several years.  Fun to watch a matchup when everyone knows who is going to get the ball, and dares you to try and stop the shot.

[AndersDY]

Yes, I remember many of M. Lodewyk's dunks.  He lived to dunk.  Give him the ball at half court with a lane to the rim, and his eyes blazed, and off he went. 

This also describes Kyle Plank in his days at Hope. I can't pick out a particular dunk that belongs on an all-time list, but he certainly deserves a lifetime achievement award of some sort.

[realist]

Just spoke with a person who has a family member that goes to De Pauw.  They attended the game a week ago De Pauw/Marysville, and he commented the behavior on the part of De P students was worse than anything he has seen MIAA, Big 10, GLAIC etc. etc.  Language was terrible, and students started chanting for Marysville to leave at the half.  DP was up 17 at the time.
This person sat right behind the De Pauw President.  He indicated the President left at halftime, and walked right by the student section, and didn't say a thing.  To me this indicates that administration condones classless, and unsportmans like behavior.
He (my acquaintance) is sorry now he didn't say something to the President, but thought he would do it when the guy came back after the half, but the Pres. left the building.

[TigerFan_1973]

Darn, I hate all this down time before November.

It's called baseball season!

[bulldogalum]

In my book, it's called golf season .

[ziggy]

It is a pity, in many respects, that teams focus on trying to get open looks to throw up a lower percentage 3 passing up higher percentage shots in the paint.  BC, and Albion made a living doing it for several years.  Fun to watch a matchup when everyone knows who is going to get the ball, and dares you to try and stop the shot.

A good post player will shoot about 60% while a good 3 point shooter will be around 40% so they really cancel each other out.  It doesn't matter which you do, as long as you have a good player at that position.

(.400)*(3 pts/poss.) = 1.2 pts/poss
(.600)*(2 pts/poss.) = 1.2 pts/poss

[tniem]

It is a pity, in many respects, that teams focus on trying to get open looks to throw up a lower percentage 3 passing up higher percentage shots in the paint.  BC, and Albion made a living doing it for several years.  Fun to watch a matchup when everyone knows who is going to get the ball, and dares you to try and stop the shot.

A good post player will shoot about 60% while a good 3 point shooter will be around 40% so they really cancel each other out.  It doesn't matter which you do, as long as you have a good player at that position.

(.400)*(3 pts/poss.) = 1.2 pts/poss
(.600)*(2 pts/poss.) = 1.2 pts/poss

Ah, but a good post player will get offensive rebounds, thus increasing the amount of points per possession for both (not to mention the open looks the three point shooter will then get and his increase)...

[Mr. Ypsi]

I dont know if it was discussed earlier, but I think one of Witt's big men had the best DIII dunk I have ever seen.  I'm not sure who the player is but he took the ball in the post, pivoted, and threw it down over the Hope defender.  It looked pretty impressive even on that grainy video.  I would have to rank the DIII dunks I have seen like this:

1. Witt big man over Hope in 2005-06 Sectional semi
2. Cramer's drive the lane one hander against Albion in 2005-06 conf. semis
3. Cathage's #50 against Hope in 2005-06 CCIW challenge.  He really rocked the rim
4. Josh Meckes with the buzzer beater alley-oop against Hope in 2004-05 home game
5. Any dunk by Don Overbeek because he was a tank

Someone posted a few days ago about 2 guys simultaneously dunking a rebound, which shattered the glass and ended the game since the host team had no back-up glass (I've forgotten the details and there are too many former pages to try to look it up!) - that surely has to make the top 5!

[ziggy]

Is anyone else busting out in laughter listening to some of the media debate the DI tournament selection process?  Maybe they should try the DIII system for a year.

[bulldogalum]

I'm pretty sure Jay Bilas' head would explode upon considering the D3 selection process, and Dick Vitale would suffer a massive stroke.  Not, however, before he proclaimed Veldhouse a diaper dandy.

[oldknight]

In my book, it's called golf season .

Got to go with bulldogalum over Tigerfan on this one. If anything can fill the void between now and November it's hitting the links with regularity.

[oldknight]

It is a pity, in many respects, that teams focus on trying to get open looks to throw up a lower percentage 3 passing up higher percentage shots in the paint.  BC, and Albion made a living doing it for several years.  Fun to watch a matchup when everyone knows who is going to get the ball, and dares you to try and stop the shot.

A good post player will shoot about 60% while a good 3 point shooter will be around 40% so they really cancel each other out.  It doesn't matter which you do, as long as you have a good player at that position.

(.400)*(3 pts/poss.) = 1.2 pts/poss
(.600)*(2 pts/poss.) = 1.2 pts/poss

Ah, but a good post player will get offensive rebounds, thus increasing the amount of points per possession for both (not to mention the open looks the three point shooter will then get and his increase)...

I believe there are other reasons besides shooting percentage (and more important ones) which demonstrates the value of a consistent post game. Quite frankly a wide open 3 is an easier shot to take and make for many players than a contested shot in the paint. But getting and taking those shots in the paint do several things for an offense. First, getting the ball in the middle with regularity usually forces help and that's what creates open looks from the arc. Second, when the ball is only passed around the perimeter it becomes too easy for an offense to stand around, get stagnant and that makes it easier for a defense to cut off passing lanes. Finally, teams that get the ball in the paint with regularity get to the free line more frequently and that is what makes teams tough to defend down the stretch of ballgames--because the big guys on the defense are more likely to be playing with 3 or 4 fouls which means they have to play defense a bit more gingerly than they were earlier in the game.

[formerd3db]

bulldogalum:
Hilarious!

realist:
If that is true (and I am not doubting your acquaintance's reporting by any means), and if he/she would think there would be no inappropriate repercussions by any administrative and/or faculty member at DePauw against their family member, I think your acquaintance should write or email the President complaining about that (diplomatically, of course).  Perhaps then, with the DePauw President getting additional complaints from the Hope people as it appears to be in the works, perhaps he will then get the message and do what he should have done.  He and his colleagues should be held accountable for that in the sense they should put out the word and come down hard on students and parents that such behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated in the future.  Too bad there are people (fans and parents) who feel they can say or do anything they want - but then again, unfortunately, that is what our society has come down to today (not by everyone of course, but certainly too many people who do).