MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[ziggy]

I've seen some of the banter about the all region team but I don't think anyone has commented on the selection of Carnegie Mellon's Tony Wingen for region coach of the year.  He obviously did a good job with a win over DI Princeton but I dont think I could ever be convinced that anyone outcoached Kevin Vande Streek this year.  Maybe I'm biased but what they did this year compared to what I was expecting was amazing.

Come on ziggy.......how hard was it to tell Caleb to shoot the ball. 

I know its you're joking but I would imagine it is pretty difficult to put a game like that in the hands of a freshman rather than Trewhella or Draayer, no matter how talented he is.  Plus, the success of Calvin's season goes way beyond one rivalry win.

[SBell]

John still has an eye towards a DI chance, a'la Scott Friske a couple years ago.

He's the No. 1 PF left in the state (and No 2 regardless of college situation, behind DeShawn Sims and Shane Ross):

http://www.bankhoops.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2578

[arena]

Does anyone know if Calvin has had Jonathan Huizinga in for a visit.  He's
6'6", from Timothy Christian, and was 2nd team all-state according to the Chicago Sun Times.  I saw him play last year as a junior and he was very fundamentally sound.  He had excellent footwork for a low post player.  He also can shoot a mid range jumper.

He committed to Trinity Christian College.  He attends my old church back home.  I had his father as a teacher at Timothy.

[Shareef23]

Hornet fan is right that Calvin and Hope (Calvin especially) have an inherent recruiting base through the Christian school system that is hard to match at other MIAA schools. I can remember back in the 70's when Gary Morrison was at Olivet that he expressed the same thing after Calvin landed Mark Veenstra.

I will add this: I don't think the advantage is nearly as large as it once was compared to 30 or 40 years ago. Just think about all the good high school players out of Christian schools in the last 20 years who have gone elsewhere due to athletic scholarship money. That didn't happen all that much in the 60's and 70's.

In the 60's and 70's, Christian school kids wouldn't have even consider playing on Sundays. Which is pretty much a requirement if your playing D1 or D2. I believe that's part of the reason you see more of this now. The other thing is AAU. Manay d1 one coaches do most of their recruitng during the summer now as opposed to in season. This hurts schools like Calvin and Hope more than the K Zoo's of the world. I agree while the church ties still help Calvin and Hope, it is not the same advantage as it was in the past.

[realist]

Ziggy & Arena:  Welcome to the big leagues.  Use your karma wisely.
KVS has a history of turning freshmen loose.  In 00 it wasn't unusual for Veenstra or Foltice to have the ball in their hands at the end of the game.  In fact BF made a driving layup to win the semi-final game in the final 4 versus F&M
I can recall Calvin players from:  MI, OH, WI, IOWA, MN, MA, NJ, SD, CA, FL,  WA, MT, IN, IL, NM, PA, WV , CO, plus several Canadian provinces, and I probably am missing several states.  I don't think the Christian H.S. advantage is anywhere near as strong today as in the 50, 60's and early 70's when the CRC tie was closer, and students paid tuition based on the distance their home was from campus.  The further away the lower the rate.

[arena]

Ziggy & Arena:  Welcome to the big leagues.  Use your karma wisely.

Oh, I will.   

[ziggy]

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I will, as long as you agree with me. 

[NW Hope Fan]

This was up front on Pat's Daily Dose
>>Other moments that stand out in my frazzled mind (it's a busy week) include the 1998 Hope/Wilkes game, when David Muelenberg hit two free throws. Sidelined by a broken foot late in the season, Muelenberg was subbed into the game, replacing injured Chris Formsma. He hit two free throws, then limped back to the bench to a standing ovation. I didn't understand the significance at the time, though — someone had to explain it to me. Like I said, it was 1998. We didn't even have a message board on the site yet.

I remember it differently... I thought it was the championship game when the game was in hand for Platt.  I also thought it was someone other than Formsma, but don't remember that either... Someone with a re-occurring issue, that "just happened" to come into play on the foul that Dave subbed in for. Anyone help? Or is Pat correct?

Definitely a great moment.

[NW Hope Fan]

Ziggy & Arena:  Welcome to the big leagues.  Use your karma wisely.

I will, as long as you agree with me. 

Just realist, or everyone? 

[TigerFan_1973]

What exactly are the "recruiting" rules in Division III?

I've never known exactly and for sure don't know what the differences are from when Witt "deemphasized" and moved out ot the OAC.

Can someone give me an overview on the recruiting rules and the differences in emphasis between the OAC and the NCAC?

Thanks.

[Pat Coleman]

This was up front on Pat's Daily Dose
>>Other moments that stand out in my frazzled mind (it's a busy week) include the 1998 Hope/Wilkes game, when David Muelenberg hit two free throws. Sidelined by a broken foot late in the season, Muelenberg was subbed into the game, replacing injured Chris Formsma. He hit two free throws, then limped back to the bench to a standing ovation. I didn't understand the significance at the time, though — someone had to explain it to me. Like I said, it was 1998. We didn't even have a message board on the site yet.

I remember it differently... I thought it was the championship game when the game was in hand for Platt.  I also thought it was someone other than Formsma, but don't remember that either... Someone with a re-occurring issue, that "just happened" to come into play on the foul that Dave subbed in for. Anyone help? Or is Pat correct?

Definitely a great moment.

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/98/hopewilkes.htm

[ziggy]

Ziggy & Arena:  Welcome to the big leagues.  Use your karma wisely.

I will, as long as you agree with me. 

Just realist, or everyone? 

You just test me and find out. whahahahahaha!

[NW Hope Fan]

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/98/hopewilkes.htm

Your "memory" is better than mine.  

I still don't remember it being Formsma... but I guess the record doesnt lie.

The game was in the bag for Hope at that point like I remember... Chris, or whoever had a re-occurring ailment (like a shoulder that popped out or something) that just happened to come into play on that foul. The Hope fans were thrilled to see Dave make those (cold as ice mind you), but we all thought it was interesting how it happened.

Too bad he wasn't healthy for the tounament though... or for his career really. The record books may look a little different from 96-98!

[Pat Coleman]

My memory is OK, but not that great. That's why I wrote it all down.

[northb]

Ziggy & Arena:  Welcome to the big leagues.  Use your karma wisely.
KVS has a history of turning freshmen loose.  In 00 it wasn't unusual for Veenstra or Foltice to have the ball in their hands at the end of the game.  In fact BF made a driving layup to win the semi-final game in the final 4 versus F&M
I can recall Calvin players from:  MI, OH, WI, IOWA, MN, MA, NJ, SD, CA, FL,  WA, MT, IN, IL, NM, PA, WV , CO, plus several Canadian provinces, and I probably am missing several states.  I don't think the Christian H.S. advantage is anywhere near as strong today as in the 50, 60's and early 70's when the CRC tie was closer, and students paid tuition based on the distance their home was from campus.  The further away the lower the rate.

Hardly a benefit--I came from 900+ miles away and it was only a few hundred dollars different (umm, a fewyears ago), and the difference was easily wiped away on transportation back and forth