MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[goscots]

Steve Moore of The College of Wooster has a Division III record of 525-168, which works out to a 0.758 winning percentage.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Did a little research today and found some interesting statistics on Coach GVW. (I think I have this correct, sorry if this is a repeat of some previous post)

After the '06 season, for coaches with 500+ victories (in all divisions)*

-GVW is 62nd all time winningest coach for victories with 564. (in 6 years he could be in the top 30, and in 7 could reach 700 wins)
-He is 18th among active coaches for victories. 3rd among DIII coaches.
-He has the 11th best winning % at .744 and is just a hair in 3rd for active coaches (1st in DIII), behind Coach K (.75) and Don Meyer (.745) from Northern St.

Mike Turner Joins the list after next season, finishing the '06 season with 498 wins and 298 losses.

* several other coaches who were within 20 games of 500 as of Aug. 30th '05, may have been left off the list, as this was the most resent info I could find.

"Semi retired" (he's now 'only' the AD) coach Dennie Bridges of IWU had a record of 667-319 (.676) overall, but AT LEAST 100 of those games were against scholarship schools (IWU was NAIA [nonscholarship] during much of his tenure, plus played 1-3 d1 schools per year - including a handful of wins).  His CCIW record is amazing (the CCIW is, by general consensus, second only to the WIAC): 421-129 (.765).

GVW has an amazing record, but he may still have to step it up a notch to match Dennie!

[NW Hope Fan]

Steve Moore of The College of Wooster has a Division III record of 525-168, which works out to a 0.758 winning percentage.

And in 25 years no less... Very impressive!

Obviously one of my * coaches... I knew there would be a few  Thanks!

[NW Hope Fan]

GVW has an amazing record, but he may still have to step it up a notch to match Dennie!

No doubt... And there is a chance Glen will not match Dennie's win record.

But, this is the MIAA board, and I'm a Hope fan and proud of our coach...  (and his teams of course)

[Gregory Sager]

Hmm. Not surprising that the busybody Stalinists on this board would give a mere child negative karma. Classic.

They probably doled out the smites before it was announced that a kid had posted that garbled message.

For the record, as a rule I neither smite nor applaud. To do so would be to violate my private standards of supersweetness. 

[oldknight]

For the record, as a rule I neither smite nor applaud. To do so would be to violate my private standards of supersweetness. 

Just think how much you could enhance your supersweetness if you only applauded. 

[Gregory Sager]

For the record, as a rule I neither smite nor applaud. To do so would be to violate my private standards of supersweetness. 

Just think how much you could enhance your supersweetness if you only applauded. 

If I was that supersweet, I'd probably give myself diabetes. 

[ScotsFan]

-He has the 11th best winning % at .744 and is just a hair in 3rd for active coaches (1st in DIII), behind Coach K (.75) and Don Meyer (.745) from Northern St.

BK, where did you get your stats?  According to your own #'s Steve Moore has a higher winning % than GVW among active DIII coaches.  Last time I checked 0.758 > 0.744.

In regards to Coach Bridges, I don't think anyone is questioning what a great coach he was.   Why the need to emphasize that his IWU teams played all these games against scholarship teams? 

Maybe, if coach Moore hadn't taken over 2 struggling programs to start his 2 tenures as a head coach he might have a couple of more wins as well.  Coach Moore began his career at Muhlenberg College and they were far from a powerehouse when he arrived.  Yet within 2 seasons there he led them to their program's 1st 20 win season in 40 years.  After 6 years at Muhlenberg he came to Wooster where he inherited a team that was trying to find itself in the post Al Van Wie era.  In the 5 years post Van Wie and prior to Moore arriving at Wooster, the Scots were an unimpressive 56-73.  Moore guided Wooster to a respectable 14-11 season in his 1st year at Wooster and then they topped the 20 win total in his 2nd year.  They have not won fewer than 18 games since his first year at Wooster and they have won 20 or more games in 15 of his 19 seasons  at the helm in Wooster.  That includes a current streak of 10 seasons in a row and counting with 20+ wins.  That's quite impressive if you ask me.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

For the record, as a rule I neither smite nor applaud. To do so would be to violate my private standards of supersweetness. 

Just think how much you could enhance your supersweetness if you only applauded. 

If I was that supersweet, I'd probably give myself diabetes. 

And if you were that supersweet, "he who shall not be named", would be moving you to a place of higher honor in the supersweetness hall of fame.

[NW Hope Fan]

-He has the 11th best winning % at .744 and is just a hair in 3rd for active coaches (1st in DIII), behind Coach K (.75) and Don Meyer (.745) from Northern St.

BK, where did you get your stats?  According to your own #'s Steve Moore has a higher winning % than GVW among active DIII coaches.  Last time I checked 0.758 > 0.744.

Wasn't my numbers at all. It was goscots that informed me (see 5737) that I missed Coach Moore. If you read my original post, I got my info from the NCAA (can be found on the DIII Hoops home page under NCAA Stats (M) and then Coaching records). The problem with the stats is they ended at the conclusion of the 2005 season. I proceeded to look up all the active coaches on that list (two of which did not coach in '05-'06), and added their current records to what was listed. I knew and mentioned, there might be some missing if a coach was just under 500 wins at the end of '05. The NCAA stats for overall coaching was for just coaches that had 500 at the end of '05.

So to correct what you kindly point out: GVW's % is 12th best (ever), 4th for active coaches and 2nd in DIII... Still not too shabby!

Peace!

[Gregory Sager]

Maybe, if coach Moore hadn't taken over 2 struggling programs to start his 2 tenures as a head coach he might have a couple of more wins as well.  Coach Moore began his career at Muhlenberg College and they were far from a powerehouse when he arrived.  Yet within 2 seasons there he led them to their program's 1st 20 win season in 40 years.  After 6 years at Muhlenberg he came to Wooster where he inherited a team that was trying to find itself in the post Al Van Wie era.  In the 5 years post Van Wie and prior to Moore arriving at Wooster, the Scots were an unimpressive 56-73.  Moore guided Wooster to a respectable 14-11 season in his 1st year at Wooster and then they topped the 20 win total in his 2nd year.  They have not won fewer than 18 games since his first year at Wooster and they have won 20 or more games in 15 of his 19 seasons  at the helm in Wooster.  That includes a current streak of 10 seasons in a row and counting with 20+ wins.  That's quite impressive if you ask me.

SF, I'm with you on this one. I've always been more impressed by coaches who were builders rather than caretakers (no offense intended with regard to the many great coaches who fall into the latter category). Although there's different gradations of both types of successful coaches, I think it's a higher achievement to create a good program out of nothing than it is to maintain success at one that was already good when you got there.

[NW Hope Fan]

Wouldn't you say then, that these same "builders" who stay with programs for 19+ years become "caretakers"? Once you build a respectable program and win some big games, maybe even a championship or two, doesn't it become a bit easier to maintain that program?

So we should all be highly impressed with (as long as they keep winning): Coaches like Carl Danzig (Scranton), Jeff Gamber (York), Jimmy Allen (Averett), Brett Adams (Villa Julie), etc... But less so with coaches who've been at the helm for 15-30 years?

There are coaches every decade that pull teams out of the depths, but maintaining a program for years and years, I think, is just as or more impressive, considering the challenges that go with that. IMHO

[Gregory Sager]

I don't think that it diminishes a builder to stay in one place for a long time and become a caretaker. However, I do hold a special admiration for the people who take it upon themselves to pack up and leave good situations in order to expressly take on a reclamation project, as Moore did (although he's been at Wooster for so long now that he's well into caretaker mode).

I think that there are far fewer challenges involved with maintaining a program, even at a high level, than there are with building one out of nothing. Thus, I'm more impressed with builders than caretakers. If the caretaker once started out with that same program as its builder, then more power to him -- but nothing impresses me more than watching a strong new program emerge where none existed before.

[ScotsFan]

Wouldn't you say then, that these same "builders" who stay with programs for 19+ years become "caretakers"?

Yeah, I was going to comment on this as Coach Moore has definately gone from "builder" of the COW program to "caretaker" over the past 19 seasons.  I think some coaches live for being a "builder".  It's like they need that challenge of turning a program around or restoring a storied program back to dominance.  Some coaches do it to pad their resume as they look to climb the ladder of the coaching ranks.  In Moore's case, he started his family in Wooster and I think his family comes first.  He didn't feel like uprooting his entire family in order to embark on another challenge.  And it's not like winning 18 or more games in every season he's been at Wooster except his rookie campaign on the hill has come easy.

I do agree with BK in that maintaining a program at the level that GVW, Moore and others who have mantained not just winning programs, but programs that strive for excellence each and every season is extremely challenging in and of itself.  It's just a different type of challenge.  It's hard enough IMO just to maintain a streak of consecutive winning seasons at any level.  Yet, to see what Coach Moore has done at Wooster has taken it to another level.  The only thing missing from Moore's already impressive resume is a National Championship and I have a feeling he'll be cutting the nets down in Salem at least once before it's all said and done.

[arena]

I haven't checked in for a while.  With classes starting, any surprises with those who are or who are not attending any MIAA schools?