MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[ChicagoHopeNut]

What I find interesting is that Hope beat Tri-State 101-57, a 44 point difference and many people are up in arms because of a late basket by a Hope player. However, I am certain if the final score had been 81-37 or 91-47, both victories of the same 44 point margin no one would care about the late bucket nearly as much. Despite claims that the 100 barrier doesn't mean that much it has some mythical effect on our subconscious or something. Its just a number.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

If I recall correctly, won't Hope be playing 5 consecutive night games in the middle of a conference season thanks to a late start last week at home against Kzoo and a late start tomorrow at Albion. Can anyone remember the last time Hope had that many night games in a row during conference play?

[section7]

AMEN BROTHER TO FLYING DUTCH FAN!

HOPE's Starters played a max 20 minutes in the game.  Play till the end of the whistle or buzzer, that is what Glaser did and that is what he should have done.

In regards to Soderburg, he is a whiner and he should have just shook Glenn's hand and said, "We will look forward to playing you again at the Upton Center, best of luck the rest of the way." and walked off.  However, his arrogance and pride don't allow that, so his school gets his reputation and tantrums to live with and by.

[Erm Schmigget]

Sorry - but I think you're all full of cr@p.  

Cr@p?  Come on, FDF.  Is there any chance you misinterpreted what I wrote?

The man hopped, and he was upset.  That's all I meant.  This whole discussion has been centered around how maybe he has less class because his players scored over 100 and won by a great margin.  POPPYCOCK!!!

Your statements are pretty close to my sentiments.  Please don't take mine out of context and paint me as someone brimming with p00p.   

[flash96]

Wow enough about the century mark already!  I think we need some basketball games to watch.  Wonder if the MIAA would schedule some Friday night games?  The thing which annoys me is when a player scores a team record for the most points in a game, in a game that is basically over.  Case in point, a local HS player earlier this season scored 53 in a game where the final was 105-65.  I don't view that as any sort of record!  A record really means something when its in a dogfight to the final buzzer.  As a coach I would be really disappointed if an opposing team did that, just to get the record.

[Erm Schmigget]

If I recall correctly, won't Hope be playing 5 consecutive night games in the middle of a conference season thanks to a late start last week at home against Kzoo and a late start tomorrow at Albion. Can anyone remember the last time Hope had that many night games in a row during conference play?

That is pretty remarkable DC.  I can't recall that happening in the last 20+ years.  I wonder if you went back several decades, when schedules were much shorter, if all games were on Saturday afternoons?

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Sorry - but I think you're all full of cr@p.  

Cr@p?  Come on, FDF.  Is there any chance you misinterpreted what I wrote?

I was simply reacting to what you said:

"Hope's second 101 game (we have extras) did exhibit a lack of better judgement, but by only one player...a freshman from the end of the bench. "

My reaction was that I simply do not agree with that statement.  In my opinion there was no judegement problem - that's my point.

FWIW - that was Hopes first and only 100+ point game this year (Mr. Holt missed a last second FT to stall the Dutchmen at 99 vs. Olivet)

[HopeConvert]

100 points is just a number. It's irrelevant. The problem at that game was that the fans didn't feel that way. I don't blame the players, but I do blame the fans for not exercising some better judgment. What's the big deal about hitting 100 one way or the other? As long as the coach is not having his starters rain down threes with 4 minutes left, I would no sooner blame the players for playing hard then I would a tiger for mauling a zookeeper: it's what tigers do, and its what basketball players ought to do.

Tomorrow's games are an interesting lot (gotta go to pick 'em!). I don't see Albion winning, but I do expect it to be a competitive game. As sac as amply demonstrated, Hope's defense is good, particularly its perimeter defense, and I don't expect Silas to get off some of the shots he apparently managed against Calvin.

DCHopeNut: don't you have some homework to do instead of tracking the record for consecutive night games?

[ChicagoHopeNut]

DCHopeNut: don't you have some homework to do instead of tracking the record for consecutive night games?

You can only spend so many hours in a day reading about hearsay evidence and old Supreme Court cases so you can argue the merits (or faults) of the Rules of Evidence for Military Commissions. That is why I have D3hoops to distract me.

[HopeConvert]

DCHopeNut: don't you have some homework to do instead of tracking the record for consecutive night games?

You can only spend so many hours in a day reading about hearsay evidence and old Supreme Court cases so you can argue the merits (or faults) of the Rules of Evidence for Military Commissions. That is why I have D3hoops to distract me.

You see, if you want to sue the big boys some day, you have to feel as if there aren't enough hours in the day to master the minutiae of contracts and torts.

[sac]

I can't believe no one noticed that all four games tommorrow are men's women's all day double-headers at all four locations.

Since the MIAA went to 9 teams on the ladies side the schedules have been quircky and in order to fit all the women's games in they start in December and have to have men's/women's double headers to get all the games in.  So you get some Saturday evening games.  Plus I think Saturday nights fit in with students schedules better, Hope seems to have better student participation on Saturday nights.

I don't think the MIAA has ever or will ever have Friday games, too much of a conflict with high school basketball.    Although the ladies used to play on Tuesday and Thursdays, and I've seen some Tuesday men's games.

FWIW, I prefer night games at DeVos, the lighting is better for the spectator not necessarily the players.

Once again we'll have live scoreboards for all the men's games......MIAA.org

[Preto]

100 points is just a number. It's irrelevant.

Amen

[KnightSlappy]

100 points is just a number but much of sports is just numbers.  What is the point of keeping stats? They are all just numbers.  Like it or not there is some significance to scoring over 100 points in a game.  The crowd always gets excited when the home team approaches the century mark.  But at the same time a win 99-57 counts the same as a 101-57 win.  Let the players play, let the players have fun, but maybe you don't need to take a shot with the shotclock off.  If the shot was taken with the shotclock off to make the game 98-57 then it would be hard to defend the shot.  So why should the shot be defended when it made the team cross the 100 mark?  Sorry  Hope fan, you need to accept this one.  It is unfair to attack the character of the coaching staff or team, but at least one person did lack better judgement.

[HopeConvert]

100 points is just a number but much of sports is just numbers.  What is the point of keeping stats? They are all just numbers.  Like it or not there is some significance to scoring over 100 points in a game.  The crowd always gets excited when the home team approaches the century mark.  But at the same time a win 99-57 counts the same as a 101-57 win.  Let the players play, let the players have fun, but maybe you don't need to take a shot with the shotclock off.  If the shot was taken with the shotclock off to make the game 98-57 then it would be hard to defend the shot.  So why should the shot be defended when it made the team cross the 100 mark?  Sorry  Hope fan, you need to accept this one.  It is unfair to attack the character of the coaching staff or team, but at least one person did lack better judgement.

The numbers that matter most in sports are wins and losses. Other numbers service those two. To say that sports is all about numbers is to miss the point: not all numbers are created equal (at least not in sports). There are times when it might be entirely appropriate to go for a hundred if that is what it takes to win. But to strive for a hundred just so, well just so you can say you hit a hundred, is silly. The problem is not so much with the player. To go back to my earlier analogy: I don't blame the tiger for mauling the zookeeper, but I would hope that the patrons wouldn't be egging the tiger on. That's what I didn't like about that game: whether Hope beat Alma by scoring 101 points or by scoring 99 points didn't matter, and the fans should have recognized that instead of wanting the team to pile on. I don't particularly blame the player in question, but I was disappointed in Hope's fans, among whom I count myself. If the crowd "gets excited when the home team approaches the century mark," then I would submit much of the crowd is stupid and could use a remedial lesson in basketball.

[almcguirejr]

DCHopeNut: don't you have some homework to do instead of tracking the record for consecutive night games?

You can only spend so many hours in a day reading about hearsay evidence and old Supreme Court cases so you can argue the merits (or faults) of the Rules of Evidence for Military Commissions. That is why I have D3hoops to distract me.

You see, if you want to sue the big boys some day, you have to feel as if there aren't enough hours in the day to master the minutiae of contracts and torts.

I thought the legal profession had increased the number of hours in a day by calling them; billable.