MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[oldknight]

Here's a response from Brian Kipley, the SID at Aurora:

"Each school has been allotted for pre sales, so you can contact your school about those sales.  General admission tickets will go on sale at 4:30 p.m. for Friday's contests.  The gym will not be cleared at this time between games and each school has an allottment of tickets for the contests."

I've parsed the Clintonian phrase "[t]he gym will not be cleared at this time" (emphasis added). I take this to mean Aurora reserves the right to change its mind depending on ticket sales and interest. Chicago area alums probably can go to Aurora to get their own tickets and if many do that the school might then make the decision to split the sessions.

I hope you are right - although once they start selling tickets, it's too late to do that, as they would have to have different tickets for the different sessions or you would have chaos.

I had considered that as a potential problem too but after further reflection I don't think it would be much of an issue for the following reason. If Aurora requires two (identical) tickets for admission to each of two separate sessions and if you are a Hope fan with only one ticket, which game are you going to? Ditto for Aurora, Calvin, and Chicago fans. You can still go to the second game after the gym is cleared but you'll need a new ticket to gain reentry. Parking would be a bigger problem because, as I remember it there wasn't a lot of it at the school.

[BrainOfJ.]

I had considered that as a potential problem too but after further reflection I don't think it would be much of an issue for the following reason. If Aurora requires two (identical) tickets for admission to each of two separate sessions and if you are a Hope fan with only one ticket, which game are you going to? Ditto for Aurora, Calvin, and Chicago fans. You can still go to the second game after the gym is cleared but you'll need a new ticket to gain reentry.
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Unless you sneak into the bathroom between games. You have to beat the system.

[sac]

Steve Cramer's MVP marks the 25th time a Hope player has taken home the MVP award, he's the 19th different Hope player to do so.  He joins a nice list of the who's who of Hope basketball.

Steve has accumulated some pretty heady stats that when compared to other players stack up very positively.

I'll give a full rundown of his stats at the end of the season, but to me the most impressive is that Stephen has played in 111 of 111 games in his Hope career.  Thats pretty amazing, esp. when you consider Hopes history with injuries

(Sac is currently knocking on all the wood he can find in his office  )

[BrainOfJ.]

Steve Cramer's MVP marks the 25th time a Hope player has taken home the MVP award, he's the 19th different Hope player to do so.  He joins a nice list of the who's who of Hope basketball.

Steve has accumulated some pretty heady stats that when compared to other players stack up very positively.

I'll give a full rundown of his stats at the end of the season, but to me the most impressive is that Stephen has played in 111 of 111 games in his Hope career.  Thats pretty amazing, esp. when you consider Hopes history with injuries

(Sac is currently knocking on all the wood he can find in his office  )

Cramer is definately a very special player for Hope. He has been impressive since he started playing. Hope will miss him and the leadership he brings to the team. He is one who can step up and carry that team. Good Luck in the tourney.

[GoKnights68]

Steve Cramer's MVP marks the 25th time a Hope player has taken home the MVP award, he's the 19th different Hope player to do so.  He joins a nice list of the who's who of Hope basketball.

Steve has accumulated some pretty heady stats that when compared to other players stack up very positively.

I'll give a full rundown of his stats at the end of the season, but to me the most impressive is that Stephen has played in 111 of 111 games in his Hope career.  Thats pretty amazing, esp. when you consider Hopes history with injuries

(Sac is currently knocking on all the wood he can find in his office  )

And the 2004-2005 um....."off the court" issues involving some other team-members.

But congratulations to Cramer.  Always has been a class-act in my book, and nearly impossible to stop at times.

[realist]

Nice to see Cramer get the recognition.  He has had a very nice run at Hope.  No real surprises on the rest of the selections.  

[AndersDY]

I got to watch Hope-Calvin IV while sitting directly in front of Grandpa Cramer this weekend. We found out that Stephen is the oldest of a handful of boys. Hopefully lightning can strike more than once in the family, I believe he said the next in line is currently a Jr.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Congrats to Cramer, a truly great player and nice guy. Let's hope he can have a few more of those 28 point performances this weekend (and to be greedy with a higher FG%).

[oldknight]

I don't know of a more admirable opponent a Calvin team has faced than Steve Cramer--a supremely talented athlete who played whatever role he was asked to play, who did it without showing up his opponent and without the need to call extra attention to himself. In Saturday night's game I found myself hoping--irrespective of the score--that the game would take a turn where Glenn would replace Steve in his final minute of play at DeVos thereby allowing me to participate in a standing ovation for him. But it wasn't to be, so hats off to you Steve, one of the great student-athletes in D3.

[HopeConvert]

I was told Calvin is getting 280 tickets. 

If Calvin and Hope each get 1/6 of the tickets then each they will each get 366 based on the d3hoops.com listing of 2200.

These numbers sound about right after Calvin takes out tickets for Families and Faculty members and such.  I thought each school was supposed to receive half the tickets?  I might make the old man run down to Aurora on his lunch break tomorrow to get me tickets if each school is getting so few.

You think they'll take out tickets for faculty members? I doubt it - unless they are directly involved in athletics.

[HopeConvert]

My spies tell me Hope and Calvin will be splitting 1/3 of the seats.  Don't know how many the gym holds, but the 288 number may be about right.  Might want to encourage your school to televise it.  Was there two years ago to watch Calvin keep their undefeated record at Aurora unblemished and the place didn't feel very big to me.  I think the old Civic Center held more.  Say, didn't Calvin win at Aurora and then go all the way to Salem?

Why do Hope and Calvin split a third? How many does Chicago get? More seasoned observers will probably know the answer to this, but it makes no sense to me. Split it in quarters, or give Aurora half and have the other three schools split the other half (which would come out to, um, 366.666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666... seats each, which seems the number with which we are operating).

[Dark Knight]

My spies tell me Hope and Calvin will be splitting 1/3 of the seats.  Don't know how many the gym holds, but the 288 number may be about right.  Might want to encourage your school to televise it.  Was there two years ago to watch Calvin keep their undefeated record at Aurora unblemished and the place didn't feel very big to me.  I think the old Civic Center held more.  Say, didn't Calvin win at Aurora and then go all the way to Salem?

Why do Hope and Calvin split a third? How many does Chicago get? More seasoned observers will probably know the answer to this, but it makes no sense to me. Split it in quarters, or give Aurora half and have the other three schools split the other half (which would come out to, um, ...

Hope and Calvin splitting 1/3?

[KnightSlappy]

My spies tell me Hope and Calvin will be splitting 1/3 of the seats.  Don't know how many the gym holds, but the 288 number may be about right.  Might want to encourage your school to televise it.  Was there two years ago to watch Calvin keep their undefeated record at Aurora unblemished and the place didn't feel very big to me.  I think the old Civic Center held more.  Say, didn't Calvin win at Aurora and then go all the way to Salem?

Why do Hope and Calvin split a third? How many does Chicago get? More seasoned observers will probably know the answer to this, but it makes no sense to me. Split it in quarters, or give Aurora half and have the other three schools split the other half (which would come out to, um, 366.666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666... seats each, which seems the number with which we are operating).

Well, if Chicago, Calvin, and Hope split 1/2 of the tickets 3 ways, each team would get 1/6.
1/6 (calvin's share)+1/6(hope's share) = 2/6 = 1/3. So you are suggesting that they change it to the same number. Hope logic!

Parenthesis added for clarification not multiplication.

[wiz]

My spies tell me Hope and Calvin will be splitting 1/3 of the seats.  Don't know how many the gym holds, but the 288 number may be about right.  Might want to encourage your school to televise it.  Was there two years ago to watch Calvin keep their undefeated record at Aurora unblemished and the place didn't feel very big to me.  I think the old Civic Center held more.  Say, didn't Calvin win at Aurora and then go all the way to Salem?

Why do Hope and Calvin split a third? How many does Chicago get? More seasoned observers will probably know the answer to this, but it makes no sense to me. Split it in quarters, or give Aurora half and have the other three schools split the other half (which would come out to, um, 366.666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666... seats each, which seems the number with which we are operating).

Well, if Chicago, Calvin, and Hope split 1/2 of the tickets 3 ways, each team would get 1/6.
1/6 (calvin's share)+1/6(hope's share) = 2/6 = 1/3. So you are suggesting that they change it to the same number. Hope logic!

Parenthesis added for clarification not multiplication.

366?  That's great news!  20 more seats than Calvin was allotted this past weekend.    

[wiz]

Steve Cramer's MVP marks the 25th time a Hope player has taken home the MVP award, he's the 19th different Hope player to do so.  He joins a nice list of the who's who of Hope basketball.

Steve has accumulated some pretty heady stats that when compared to other players stack up very positively.

I'll give a full rundown of his stats at the end of the season, but to me the most impressive is that Stephen has played in 111 of 111 games in his Hope career.  Thats pretty amazing, esp. when you consider Hopes history with injuries

(Sac is currently knocking on all the wood he can find in his office  )

Didn't Cramer also get the injury plague and miss a whole season?