MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Dark Knight]

How unusual is it for a team to hit 18-22 treys in a game? Is it some kind of record?

Before hitting 82% of their attempts vs. Calvin, Carthage went 11-25 v. Hope (44%), 3-20 v. Silver Lake (15%), 8-26 v. Cal Lutheran (31%), and 6-16 (38%). That's 32% on the rest of the season.

Carthage had a monster night behind the arc. Give them the 44% they shot against Hope and they score 24 fewer points and lose by double digits.

[Titan Q]

How unusual is it for a team to hit 18-22 treys in a game? Is it some kind of record?

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/m_basketball_RB/2009/D3.pdf

Division III 3-point FG % record:

(Min. 15 made) 89.5% - Simpson (17-19), vs Dubuque, 2/22/03


Carthage (82% yesterday vs Calvin) came close.  18-22 really is amazing.

[Dark Knight]

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/m_basketball_RB/2009/D3.pdf

Division III 3-point FG % record:

(Min. 15 made) 89.5% - Simpson (17-19), vs Dubuque, 2/22/03

Titan Q,

Thanks for looking that up.

It appears that this game blasted past another D-III record, best 3-point field goal percentage by both teams, min 20 made. Previously it was 62.9%, set in 2003 in that same Simpson vs. Dubuque game. Calvin and Carthage made 28 of 36, for 77.8%.

In fact, they surpassed the min 15 made record as well, which had been 75%, set back in 1987.

Cool!

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Despite losing to Wheaton, I'm very happy with the Hope team I watched play yesterday.  As GVW said to the Sentinel - they played with heart.  After Friday's game, everyone was questioning where that heart was, and I don't blame Bosko for his comments about Calvin winning the MIAA.  Based on the Hope team that he played against, I would agree. 


FYI - the last time Hope lost 3 straight games was Dec 2004.  The teams they lost to - Aquinas, Carthage, and Wheaton.

[arena]

oldknight:

Did you happen to meet any Timothy Christian folks at the tourny?  I'm an alum from Timothy and can't understand why Calvin does such a poor job getting kids from Timothy and the PSL to attend Calvin.  There is a huge Calvin alum base in the area as well.  Is Trinity and the other schools that big of a draw, or does KVS not pay attention to the area? 

I not only met Timothy Christian (H.S.) folks, I stayed at their house Friday night. Actually, quite a few Timothy kids wind up at Calvin--just not many BB players. Of the Timothy class of just two years ago, about one-third started Calvin that fall. A few years back, Calvin heavily recruited a Timothy big man, got him enrolled, and he even had a roommate (I believe it was Koetsier). About two weeks before school started this recruit announced he was going to Hope where he played under the pseudonym of Ryan Klein. It's not unusual for Timothy hoopsters to continue their basketball at Timothy Christian College, just down the road, and I know at least one player on the Trolls' current roster (Huizenga) went to Timothy H.S. Calvin did get a 2008 Chicago Christian grad--Joel Kamp--a player Wheaton wanted, and Kamp is currently on Calvin's JV roster.

Huizenga's father was one of my teachers at TC, I really hoped he would have gone to Calvin.  Went to church with them.  My folks still do.  I know the BB program has been decent the past few years.  When I graduated, there was less than 10 of my graduating class who went to Calvin, and I think maybe 5 of us graduated from Calvin.

[GoKnights68]

Interesting quote from Carthage coach Bosko Djurickovic as reported by the school's press release:

Calvin is a really good team. They'll go home and win the MIAA—there's not much doubt about that.

Not if Calvin lets their opponents get 10 3-pointers in one half, Bosko.

That was one of Calvin's biggest problems last season, and I hope it won't be again this year.  Reimink will destroy Calvin if they play defense like they did with Carthage.

[goodknight]

Interesting quote from Carthage coach Bosko Djurickovic as reported by the school's press release:

Calvin is a really good team. They'll go home and win the MIAA—there's not much doubt about that.

Not if Calvin lets their opponents get 10 3-pointers in one half, Bosko.

That was one of Calvin's biggest problems last season, and I hope it won't be again this year.  Reimink will destroy Calvin if they play defense like they did with Carthage.

"Bosko" is Serbian for "Enjoy another slivovitz while I blow smoke up your tailpipe."  You could look it up.
As Bob suggests, it's best to take the cagey Carthage coach's words with a shaker of salt and a snifter of potent plum brandy.

[sac]

I count 33 non-conference games remaining for MIAA teams.  20-13 would be needed to make 40 wins, and being honest I don't think that can be accomplished.  There are many winnable games, but my concern is, I think 6 of the 8 teams are not quite as good as last years versions.

If the conference were to continue at its current clip of around 4 wins out of 10, thats puts us at 33 wins.  About the same as last season.

2008  34-45  .430
2007  27-50  .351
2006  52-35  .598

This week looks like it could be a winning week, I only have 4 penciled in as losses, 2 of those I'm not sure about.  And a couple W's I'm not sure about.

Wednesday, December 10
Oberlin, Ohio at Kalamazoo, 5 p.m.
Trine at Northwestern Ohio, 8 p.m.
Calvin at Aquinas, 7:30 p.m.


Friday, December 12
Grace Bible at Hope, 8 p.m.
Alma at Oberlin, Ohio, 7:30 p.m.
Olivet at Spring Arbor, 7 p.m.


Saturday, December 13
Albion at Wooster, Ohio, 7:30 p.m.
Davenport at Trine, 3 p.m.
Calvin at Trinity Christian, Ill., 8:30 p.m.
Hope hosts either Purdue North-Central/Marygrove

[Gregory Sager]

oldknight:

Did you happen to meet any Timothy Christian folks at the tourny?  I'm an alum from Timothy and can't understand why Calvin does such a poor job getting kids from Timothy and the PSL to attend Calvin.  There is a huge Calvin alum base in the area as well.  Is Trinity and the other schools that big of a draw, or does KVS not pay attention to the area? 

I not only met Timothy Christian (H.S.) folks, I stayed at their house Friday night. Actually, quite a few Timothy kids wind up at Calvin--just not many BB players. Of the Timothy class of just two years ago, about one-third started Calvin that fall. A few years back, Calvin heavily recruited a Timothy big man, got him enrolled, and he even had a roommate (I believe it was Koetsier). About two weeks before school started this recruit announced he was going to Hope where he played under the pseudonym of Ryan Klein. It's not unusual for Timothy hoopsters to continue their basketball at Timothy Christian College, just down the road, and I know at least one player on the Trolls' current roster (Huizenga) went to Timothy H.S. Calvin did get a 2008 Chicago Christian grad--Joel Kamp--a player Wheaton wanted, and Kamp is currently on Calvin's JV roster.

Huizenga's father was one of my teachers at TC, I really hoped he would have gone to Calvin.  Went to church with them.  My folks still do.  I know the BB program has been decent the past few years.  When I graduated, there was less than 10 of my graduating class who went to Calvin, and I think maybe 5 of us graduated from Calvin.

One of North Park's best players of the past ten years, Denny Keizer (NPU class of '99, and now the head basketball coach at Elmwood Park HS in west suburban Chicagoland), was a Timothy Christian product. If Timothy Christian makes a habit out of producing the type of guy that Denny was (and still is) on and off the court, then I'd like to see NPU recruit more TCHS student-athletes.

Interesting quote from Carthage coach Bosko Djurickovic as reported by the school's press release:

Calvin is a really good team. They’ll go home and win the MIAA—there’s not much doubt about that.

Not if Calvin lets their opponents get 10 3-pointers in one half, Bosko.

That was one of Calvin's biggest problems last season, and I hope it won't be again this year.  Reimink will destroy Calvin if they play defense like they did with Carthage.

"Bosko" is Serbian for "Enjoy another slivovitz while I blow smoke up your tailpipe."  You could look it up.

Holy cow, GK, that is the best line anyone's posted on this website all year! I read it five minutes ago, and I'm still chuckling! Rest assured that it will be repeated around a lot of CCIW gyms this season ... with due attribution to you, of course.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I count 33 non-conference games remaining for MIAA teams.  20-13 would be needed to make 40 wins, and being honest I don't think that can be accomplished.  There are many winnable games, but my concern is, I think 6 of the 8 teams are not quite as good as last years versions.

How about the fact that at this point we have one team with a winning record, and that is Kalamazoo at 3-2.

[hoopdreams]

rather than wasting time reflecting on the weekends "less than stellar" performances by both MIAA teams, questioning playing time/ substitution patterns, offensive and defensive schemes, etc... I simply have 1 question for all in attendance of both Hope games.

Who do you think played well defensively for the Dutch?

In my "coaching" eyes, there are only a couple who "get it" and I think it was painfully obvious this weekend.  95 and 91 points is an embarrassing amount, even against very good teams.  Yes, I know there is a system to learn but ultimately it's pretty simple.  Especially when you're playing man-to-man.  Keep the ball handler in front of you, be in positon to contest all shots, or if you're really good, force him to put the ball on the floor before he can release his/her shot, call out screens, hedge the darn ball handler so he doesn't have a free lane to do whatever he wants (especially when its kent raymond because he doesn't pass) switch if needed, be in help side position, cut off penetration on baseline, blah, blah, blah. Oh yeah, when the officials have called 5 hand checks in 5 minutes, keep your hands to yourself.

People have been questioning the lack of balance on O or a 3rd scorer.  One cannot have every set go to or through the same person every time. Especially when 2 guys were guarding Jesse every time he touched the ball Friday. There has to be an effort made to get someone else involved.  Your "shooters" have to get more than 3-4 shots per game.  Even if they go 0-12 which is essentially what Panner was in the 1st half of both games. 

The kids are playing in fear of making  mistakes.  Do you think Cox's confidence took a blow this weekend? I hope the effort on Friday wasn't from a lack of heart.  If that's the case, it's going to be a long season, and a long couple of years for Dutch fans.  That mentality doesn't have a flip switch.

Sorry, I guess I ended up wasting some time anyway.  A 5 hour drive in crappy weather gives one too much time to ponder.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I'm not sure anyone played defense well in both games.  I do think the team as a whole improved from Friday to Saturday in their defensive intensity, despite the inflated point total from Wheaton.  There is no doubt that Hope (at least in recent history) has lived off its defensive intensity.  Almost without exception, when the Dutchmen go on a scoring run, it's the defense that is causing it.  I also think that learning to play Hope defense is more difficult than learning to play Hope offense.  This team is very young and we're going to have to live through the growing pains.

[almcguirejr]

One of North Park's best players of the past ten years, Denny Keizer (NPU class of '99, and now the head basketball coach at Elmwood Park HS in west suburban Chicagoland), was a Timothy Christian product. If Timothy Christian makes a habit out of producing the type of guy that Denny was (and still is) on and off the court, then I'd like to see NPU recruit more TCHS student-athletes.

I saw Keizer play a few times in H.S.  His coach at TCHS is a great friend of mine.

[OC_SID]

I suppose an OC SID wouldn't be able to comment if Olivet were leaving the MIAA but it wasn't yet announced.

However, an OC SID should be able to deny the rumor if it isn't true, right? 

There is no truth to the rumor!

[realist]

I suppose an OC SID wouldn't be able to comment if Olivet were leaving the MIAA but it wasn't yet announced.

However, an OC SID should be able to deny the rumor if it isn't true, right? 

There is no truth to the rumor!

I think that is what most knowledgeable MIAA posters expected to hear.