MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Sounds like Trinity Christian is an improved team this year but seeing Trinity with a win over Calvin just doesn't look right. I can't remember who said it but regardless of non-conference record I think the MIAA is down this year. More even but without any power on top like last year.

[thealmascots]

Calvin loses to Trinity 73-65.

Tim Walker gets his first win against his old team.

Did I hear Febus right?  First loss to Trinity Christian since 1973, only 13 games but still.

First 4 game losing streak since 1983?


This loss shocks me, but congrats to TC, they've been bangin' their heads against the Hope/Calvin wall a long time without much success.

With all do respect SAC, I'm not sure how it could be too shocking.  I actually predicted this Trinity win.  Calvin is so easy to defend and so easy to play offense against that it is more shocking to me when coaches who have seen Calvin multiple times over the years don't figure it out.  Everyone knows where the holes in Calvin's defense are and they make themselves easy to guard by the offense they run.  I have no idea whether or not Tim Walker is a good coach, but he spent a few years coaching with KVS so he certainly should know how to beat him.  Everything is exactly the same as it was then.
I find it quite sad to watch this very proud program with a great tradition being reduced to this, but it has been a steady decline for a number of years now.  I'm not sure the bottom has been reached, but it's definitely at it's lowest point in decades.

[MIdoubleA]

Calvin loses to Trinity 73-65.

Tim Walker gets his first win against his old team.

Did I hear Febus right?  First loss to Trinity Christian since 1973, only 13 games but still.

First 4 game losing streak since 1983?


This loss shocks me, but congrats to TC, they've been bangin' their heads against the Hope/Calvin wall a long time without much success.

With all do respect SAC, I'm not sure how it could be too shocking.  I actually predicted this Trinity win.  Calvin is so easy to defend and so easy to play offense against that it is more shocking to me when coaches who have seen Calvin multiple times over the years don't figure it out.  Everyone knows where the holes in Calvin's defense are and they make themselves easy to guard by the offense they run.  I have no idea whether or not Tim Walker is a good coach, but he spent a few years coaching with KVS so he certainly should know how to beat him.  Everything is exactly the same as it was then.
I find it quite sad to watch this very proud program with a great tradition being reduced to this, but it has been a steady decline for a number of years now.  I'm not sure the bottom has been reached, but it's definitely at it's lowest point in decades.

I've learned never to count those maroon and gold folks out... been burned too many times by that same fire I think they do this type of thing to lull you into a false sense of security, then they smack you around for a 30-point loss.

Out of curiosity, do you think GVW keeps the same type of program year in and year out? I tend to think he plays to the strengths of his players a bit better than KVS does, but it seems to take them a bit longer to gell/gel/jell/jel than typical KVS teams.

[hope_hoops1]

Great tournament win for Hope this weekend.  They really responded well after a tough weekend at Wheaton.  It was great to see the improvement on the defensive end of the court (both with effort and execution).  Krombeen is a player.  He plays very smooth and with a lot of energy, almost like a seasoned veteran out there.

All praise aside, is anyone else concerned with the sophomore slumps?  Tanis seems to have lost his shot, Carter can't find meaningful minutes, Sharples has transfered and Bowser is very inconsistent.  What seemed like one of the best recruiting classes in a while has taken a step back this year.  As the year continues, I'm expecting their performance to improve as they begin to handle the increased expectations and get acquainted to different roles.  It is much easier to be a shooter off the bench that no one game plans around stopping than to be the #3 option on the team.  They will adjust and improve which will hopefully help alleviate some of the attention geared at Reimink to make them a more balanced team.

Safe travels to everyone and happy holidays!

[sac]

Out of curiosity, do you think GVW keeps the same type of program year in and year out? I tend to think he plays to the strengths of his players a bit better than KVS does, but it seems to take them a bit longer to gell/gel/jell/jel than typical KVS teams.

+k for covering the bases


My thoughts are Hope still plays the same basic style they always have, the difference is having to adjust over the years for not having or having a big man (Lately more not having).  They still rely on movement, passing, particularly swinging the ball, screening to get mismatches etc.  #1 offense call I've heard over the years is "motion".  That has and always will be a staple for however much longer GVW decides to coach.

......and a great deal of their offense over the years has come straight from good defense on the other end.


GVW's had teams he liked to press with, some others not at all.  Rarely uses a zone, but he had at least a couple teams that used zone's effectively to help win championships.

[hope1]

i think all of the teams are even  it schould be a good race this year i say 2or3 losses win the league   man hope opens at  olivet on a wed night that schould be a really good barn burner 

[hoopdreams]

I believe the sophs on Hope's team are lacking some confidence right now, whether its from looking over their shoulder, to not knowing their role, to....

In Tanis' defense, the shooting across the board as a team has been average at best for many of the games, with 2-3 last games at the Devos being poor.  Maybe he is simply struggling from getting fewer looks/shots than HS. Bunn, who had the highest % coming into the weekend (I think) was a combined 2-17. Cox has struggled from the perimeter, Bowser  too (from much closer range, needs to play stronger),Reimink hasn't been as "lights out" of late.  It will come... maybe some extra shooting drills at game speed?

Little bird informed me that another player asked to step away, and had to be talked into finishing out the season prior to this past weekend.  Guessing the 0 minutes on saturday didn't ease the sting for Carter, although Krombeen has been OUTSTANDING. I'm not trying to take anything away from his performance, but there were 3-4 times when david forced shots in the paint during the weekend and was allowed to play through the mental errors. Did anyone else notice this, and GVW's reaction? This flexibility is not demonstrated/allowed for others on the floor, which I find perplexing at times.  But it has been part of the picture forever, so I guess I should be used to it by now.

Curious to see what kind of energy Hope brings to the floor at AQ.  Travel safe everyone!

[northb]

Calvin loses to Trinity 73-65.

Tim Walker gets his first win against his old team.

Did I hear Febus right?  First loss to Trinity Christian since 1973, only 13 games but still.

First 4 game losing streak since 1983?


This loss shocks me, but congrats to TC, they've been bangin' their heads against the Hope/Calvin wall a long time without much success.

With all do respect SAC, I'm not sure how it could be too shocking.  I actually predicted this Trinity win.  Calvin is so easy to defend and so easy to play offense against that it is more shocking to me when coaches who have seen Calvin multiple times over the years don't figure it out.  Everyone knows where the holes in Calvin's defense are and they make themselves easy to guard by the offense they run.  I have no idea whether or not Tim Walker is a good coach, but he spent a few years coaching with KVS so he certainly should know how to beat him.  Everything is exactly the same as it was then.
I find it quite sad to watch this very proud program with a great tradition being reduced to this, but it has been a steady decline for a number of years now.  I'm not sure the bottom has been reached, but it's definitely at it's lowest point in decades.

What is the number?  Would you say that Calvin has been in decline for 8 years since they were National Champions?  Or just 3 years since they were 3rd in the nation?  Would that include the 2 times they went to the NCAA tournament?  I think any Calvin fan is frustrated with the lack of results recently, but to say that they have been in decline for a number of years is overstating the case, IMHO.

[GoKnights68]

Calvin loses to Trinity 73-65.

Tim Walker gets his first win against his old team.

Did I hear Febus right?  First loss to Trinity Christian since 1973, only 13 games but still.

First 4 game losing streak since 1983?


This loss shocks me, but congrats to TC, they've been bangin' their heads against the Hope/Calvin wall a long time without much success.

With all do respect SAC, I'm not sure how it could be too shocking.  I actually predicted this Trinity win.  Calvin is so easy to defend and so easy to play offense against that it is more shocking to me when coaches who have seen Calvin multiple times over the years don't figure it out.  Everyone knows where the holes in Calvin's defense are and they make themselves easy to guard by the offense they run.  I have no idea whether or not Tim Walker is a good coach, but he spent a few years coaching with KVS so he certainly should know how to beat him.  Everything is exactly the same as it was then.
I find it quite sad to watch this very proud program with a great tradition being reduced to this, but it has been a steady decline for a number of years now.  I'm not sure the bottom has been reached, but it's definitely at it's lowest point in decades.

What is the number?  Would you say that Calvin has been in decline for 8 years since they were National Champions?  Or just 3 years since they were 3rd in the nation?  Would that include the 2 times they went to the NCAA tournament?  I think any Calvin fan is frustrated with the lack of results recently, but to say that they have been in decline for a number of years is overstating the case, IMHO.

You can't say a number of years at all.  2005, they made the final four, which is an amazing accomplishment in division 3.  2006 they won the regular season MIAA outright with a 13-1 record.  2007, they won the MIAA tourney and a NCAA tourney game.

Last year was the most frustrated year since the 2003 season, though.  This year they seem to be heading into the same direction as last season by having a strong show in the tip-off tourney, and then having a terrible December.  It is really frustrating when you have an all-american on your team and underachieve this much.  I really hope KVS can make some adjustments to his offense and defense.  Both are way too predictable.  There is a lot of season left, and everyone knows that MIAA play is what counts, so lets see what this talented team can do before writing them off.  I think playing in the new gym will give the Knights more help than people think.  Attendance was very poor last year, and a loud crowd could bring some fight and momentum back into this team.

[thealmascots]

Calvin loses to Trinity 73-65.

Tim Walker gets his first win against his old team.

Did I hear Febus right?  First loss to Trinity Christian since 1973, only 13 games but still.

First 4 game losing streak since 1983?


This loss shocks me, but congrats to TC, they've been bangin' their heads against the Hope/Calvin wall a long time without much success.

With all do respect SAC, I'm not sure how it could be too shocking.  I actually predicted this Trinity win.  Calvin is so easy to defend and so easy to play offense against that it is more shocking to me when coaches who have seen Calvin multiple times over the years don't figure it out.  Everyone knows where the holes in Calvin's defense are and they make themselves easy to guard by the offense they run.  I have no idea whether or not Tim Walker is a good coach, but he spent a few years coaching with KVS so he certainly should know how to beat him.  Everything is exactly the same as it was then.
I find it quite sad to watch this very proud program with a great tradition being reduced to this, but it has been a steady decline for a number of years now.  I'm not sure the bottom has been reached, but it's definitely at it's lowest point in decades.

What is the number?  Would you say that Calvin has been in decline for 8 years since they were National Champions?  Or just 3 years since they were 3rd in the nation?  Would that include the 2 times they went to the NCAA tournament?  I think any Calvin fan is frustrated with the lack of results recently, but to say that they have been in decline for a number of years is overstating the case, IMHO.

You can't say a number of years at all.  2005, they made the final four, which is an amazing accomplishment in division 3.  2006 they won the regular season MIAA outright with a 13-1 record.  2007, they won the MIAA tourney and a NCAA tourney game.

Last year was the most frustrated year since the 2003 season, though.  This year they seem to be heading into the same direction as last season by having a strong show in the tip-off tourney, and then having a terrible December.  It is really frustrating when you have an all-american on your team and underachieve this much.  I really hope KVS can make some adjustments to his offense and defense.  Both are way too predictable.  There is a lot of season left, and everyone knows that MIAA play is what counts, so lets see what this talented team can do before writing them off.  I think playing in the new gym will give the Knights more help than people think.  Attendance was very poor last year, and a loud crowd could bring some fight and momentum back into this team.

I understand that the argument is a little tough to make when you look at overall accomplishments of the program.  However, what I'm looking at is what was the potential of his teams were.  He has had some years where they had very good accomplishments, but the talent level has been through the roof.  My feeling is that based on the talent that has been there, the accomplishments could be a lot better.  What is even more frustrating is that unless a Dan Aultman is about to walk through the door, the talent level is going to be decreasing rapidly and I don't think he has the ability to overcome that.  He has always had a top notch player (Winkle, Veenstra, Aultman, Veldhouse).  I have never seen the ability to make adjustments and without an all-american type player to bail you out, what will Calvin be looking like?

[calvin66]

What year did KVS start at Calvin?  Did he win the 2000 championship with Douma's team?

[almcguirejr]

What year did KVS start at Calvin?  Did he win the 2000 championship with Douma's team?

KVS started in1996.  He won a Championship with a Team.

[sac]

For the record, the KVS Calvin record........

1997  17-8,  10-2  2nd
1998  16-10, 8-4   2nd tie
1999  20-7, 10-4   MIAA Co-Champ
2000  30-2, 14-0   MIAA Champ, Tournament Champ, National Champion
2001  23-5, 10-2   MIAA Champ, Tournament Champ
2002  20-7, 9-3     MIAA Champ
2003  16-11, 7-5   3rd tie
2004  19-10, 8-4   3rd,  Tournament Champ
2005  27-7, 11-3   2nd  Tournament Champ, NCAA 3rd
2006  23-7, 13-1   MIAA Champ
2007  19-10, 10-4  2nd  Tournament Champ
2008  16-11, 9-5   3rd

Overall record 246-95,  MIAA record 119-37

2000 NCAA Champions
2005 NCAA 3rd

MIAA Champions 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2006
MIAA Tournament Champions 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2007

9 MIAA Tournament Finals 5-4 record, MIAA Tournament record 25-7

NCAA Tournament appearences 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007
NCAA Tournament record 14-5

Needs 10 wins to pass Ed Douma for all-time wins at Calvin.

****My records don't match the MIAA website's 295 wins, which is an average of 24 and simply incorrect, I'm going with my math.

[GoKnights68]

For the record, the KVS Calvin record........

1997  17-8,  10-2  2nd
1998  16-10, 8-4   2nd tie
1999  20-7, 10-4   MIAA Co-Champ
2000  30-2, 14-0   MIAA Champ, Tournament Champ, National Champion
2001  23-5, 10-2   MIAA Champ, Tournament Champ
2002  20-7, 9-3     MIAA Champ
2003  16-11, 7-5   3rd tie
2004  19-10, 8-4   3rd,  Tournament Champ
2005  27-7, 11-3   2nd  Tournament Champ, NCAA 3rd
2006  23-7, 13-1   MIAA Champ
2007  19-10, 10-4  2nd  Tournament Champ
2008  16-11, 9-5   3rd

Overall record 246-95,  MIAA record 119-37

2000 NCAA Champions
2005 NCAA 3rd

MIAA Champions 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2006
MIAA Tournament Champions 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006

9 MIAA Tournament Finals 5-4 record, MIAA Tournament record 25-7

NCAA Tournament appearences 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007
NCAA Tournament record 14-5

Needs 10 wins to pass Ed Douma for all-time wins at Calvin.

****My records don't match the MIAA website's 295 wins, which is an average of 24 and simply incorrect, I'm going with my math.

2007 you meant, I believe.

[sac]

2007 you meant, I believe.

Yes, indeed and corrected