MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

Desmond Young at Adrian is having every bit the MVP season as anyone else.  He's been tearing it up most of the season.

Doesn't league MVP count only in-league statistics?

Yes, but I don't expect Young's production to slip a whole lot in league play.  His team played a low scoring game last night.  He had 18 points.

[SKOT]

I've never been to IWU or Chicago's new place but I've heard they are very nice.

Both are very good.  But, you think Hope/Olivet have light issues at one end of the court...Take a look at U of Chicago's place...

http://www.owpp.com/content.cfm/the_university_of_chicago_-_gerald_ratner_athletics_center?pimage=4

[sac]

I've never been to IWU or Chicago's new place but I've heard they are very nice.

Both are very good.  But, you think Hope/Olivet have light issues at one end of the court...Take a look at U of Chicago's place...

http://www.owpp.com/content.cfm/the_university_of_chicago_-_gerald_ratner_athletics_center?pimage=4

They have a  giant maroon tarp with a big 'C' on it over the windows for games.

[sac]

Before last night, one computer rater had the MIAA shaping up like this, # = national ranking

1. Hope #30
2. Calvin #65
3. Olivet #114
4. Albion #195
5. Trine #210
6. Kzoo #263
7. Adrian #289
8. Alma #353

W's/L's seem to play a big part in the ratings, Adrian's makes little sense to me.  In relation to other D3 teams I find Hope's #30 kind of stunning.  http://talismanred.com/ratings/hoops/divisioniii.shtml

Massey's been a favorite for the one's who follow that stuff, so far his ratings haven't been updated for 2009 and I have doubts they will be.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Before last night, one computer rater had the MIAA shaping up like this, # = national ranking

1. Hope #30
2. Calvin #65
3. Olivet #114
4. Albion #195
5. Trine #210
6. Kzoo #263
7. Adrian #289
8. Alma #353

W's/L's seem to play a big part in the ratings, Adrian's makes little sense to me.  In relation to other D3 teams I find Hope's #30 kind of stunning.  http://talismanred.com/ratings/hoops/divisioniii.shtml

Massey's been a favorite for the one's who follow that stuff, so far his ratings haven't been updated for 2009 and I have doubts they will be.

Hope seems too high to me and the gap between Hope and Calvin also seems to big. Wherever they group I expect they are pretty similar in strength right now.

[sac]

Before last night, one computer rater had the MIAA shaping up like this, # = national ranking

1. Hope #30
2. Calvin #65
3. Olivet #114
4. Albion #195
5. Trine #210
6. Kzoo #263
7. Adrian #289
8. Alma #353

W's/L's seem to play a big part in the ratings, Adrian's makes little sense to me.  In relation to other D3 teams I find Hope's #30 kind of stunning.  http://talismanred.com/ratings/hoops/divisioniii.shtml

Massey's been a favorite for the one's who follow that stuff, so far his ratings haven't been updated for 2009 and I have doubts they will be.

Hope seems too high to me and the gap between Hope and Calvin also seems to big. Wherever they group I expect they are pretty similar in strength right now.

Best I can tell, record and a difference in schedule strength seems to the difference. There are 4 different opponents between Hope and Calvin, this rating has 3 of those opponents rated higher for Hope.  Also Hope beat Trinity Christian, Calvin lost.

Grace Bible would come in around #83 in D3 for the haters.  Aquinas #29

[KnightSlappy]

Grace Bible would come in around #83 in D3 for the haters. 

Get them in the MIAA!

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Grace Bible would come in around #83 in D3 for the haters. 

Get them in the MIAA!

Take it for what its worth, further investigation shows this rating doesn't rate NAIA or non NCAA teams, except for those games they play vs NCAA.

So its majorly flawed.

[bulldogalum]

bulldogalum:  Just curious what it felt like being at Kresge, playing Albion without Coach Turner roaming/pacing the sidelines.

Interesting question.  Certainly it was strange looking at the Albion sideline and not seeing him there.  Every time a questionable call would go our way, I instinctively looked over there to watch him work the officials.  On the other hand, Jody May isn't exactly an unfamiliar face on that sideline.  

From a basketball perspective, it still felt like Albion.  They play good defense, they like the half court set, and they play a physical game.  I don't expect that to change.

It's also worth noting that Coach Turner was at the game to take in the action, so at least his familar face wasn't absent from Kresge.

[miaafan2]

The game was sold out, but attendance is listed in the box score as 4395 and the arena was only about 80-90% full -- ??

Possibly a lot of advance ticket sales, and subsequent "no-shows" due to the bad weather?

RR

The thing that doesn't make sense is this: 4395 is too low to be the number of tickets sold because capacity is supposed to be 5000. It also seems a little high to be actual attendance, because of those 20% empty seats.

Maybe there was a significant number of people who came to the women's game only, which was on the same ticket. So it's actual attendance, but for either of the two games.

Well, from what I've heard from Calvin, the actual capacity of the Van Noord Arena is actually just a few more that 4,500.  The 5,000 figure came from very early estimates, and perhaps because it is such a nich round number, it has stuck.  Hopefully the correct number will begin being published.

For what it's worth, whenever the attendance of the "old" Fieldhouse was stated at 4,500, that was also overstated.  Actual capacity there was just under 4,000.  I guess once history is made, it is difficult to change!

[Dark Knight]

The game was sold out, but attendance is listed in the box score as 4395 and the arena was only about 80-90% full -- ??

Possibly a lot of advance ticket sales, and subsequent "no-shows" due to the bad weather?

RR

The thing that doesn't make sense is this: 4395 is too low to be the number of tickets sold because capacity is supposed to be 5000. It also seems a little high to be actual attendance, because of those 20% empty seats.

Maybe there was a significant number of people who came to the women's game only, which was on the same ticket. So it's actual attendance, but for either of the two games.

Well, from what I've heard from Calvin, the actual capacity of the Van Noord Arena is actually just a few more that 4,500.  The 5,000 figure came from very early estimates, and perhaps because it is such a nich round number, it has stuck.  Hopefully the correct number will begin being published.

For what it's worth, whenever the attendance of the "old" Fieldhouse was stated at 4,500, that was also overstated.  Actual capacity there was just under 4,000.  I guess once history is made, it is difficult to change!

It's curious then how they got 4500 people into the old fieldhouse for all the Hope games...

[GoVols]

I've never been to IWU or Chicago's new place but I've heard they are very nice.

Both are very good.  But, you think Hope/Olivet have light issues at one end of the court...Take a look at U of Chicago's place...

http://www.owpp.com/content.cfm/the_university_of_chicago_-_gerald_ratner_athletics_center?pimage=4

Yikes! That's gotta be deadly during the daytime.
Similar situation at St. Mary's for the Hope women, especially during Saturday day games. The windows are on the second level and the court is down below, but the glare coming through puts a long streak of light on the floor from end to end. Brian Morehouse has said he hates playing there and, like the gym at Chicago, you can understand why.

[miaafan2]

The game was sold out, but attendance is listed in the box score as 4395 and the arena was only about 80-90% full -- ??

Possibly a lot of advance ticket sales, and subsequent "no-shows" due to the bad weather?

RR

The thing that doesn't make sense is this: 4395 is too low to be the number of tickets sold because capacity is supposed to be 5000. It also seems a little high to be actual attendance, because of those 20% empty seats.

Maybe there was a significant number of people who came to the women's game only, which was on the same ticket. So it's actual attendance, but for either of the two games.

Well, from what I've heard from Calvin, the actual capacity of the Van Noord Arena is actually just a few more that 4,500.  The 5,000 figure came from very early estimates, and perhaps because it is such a nich round number, it has stuck.  Hopefully the correct number will begin being published.

For what it's worth, whenever the attendance of the "old" Fieldhouse was stated at 4,500, that was also overstated.  Actual capacity there was just under 4,000.  I guess once history is made, it is difficult to change!

In case anyone is wondering, I believe that this "overstating" is rather common.  For example, I have heard that there have been times when the official attendance for games at the DeVos Fieldhouse have been higher than the actual capacity as well.  Perhaps this is due to standing room, or inaccurate estimation of the crowd size from the game officials or whoever is responsible for providing the attendance.  I would hope that in the future, these attendance figures would be provided by box office sales, and that these would therefore be a bit more accurate.

[miaafan2]

The game was sold out, but attendance is listed in the box score as 4395 and the arena was only about 80-90% full -- ??

Possibly a lot of advance ticket sales, and subsequent "no-shows" due to the bad weather?

RR

The thing that doesn't make sense is this: 4395 is too low to be the number of tickets sold because capacity is supposed to be 5000. It also seems a little high to be actual attendance, because of those 20% empty seats.

Maybe there was a significant number of people who came to the women's game only, which was on the same ticket. So it's actual attendance, but for either of the two games.

Well, from what I've heard from Calvin, the actual capacity of the Van Noord Arena is actually just a few more that 4,500.  The 5,000 figure came from very early estimates, and perhaps because it is such a nich round number, it has stuck.  Hopefully the correct number will begin being published.

For what it's worth, whenever the attendance of the "old" Fieldhouse was stated at 4,500, that was also overstated.  Actual capacity there was just under 4,000.  I guess once history is made, it is difficult to change!

It's curious then how they got 4500 people into the old fieldhouse for all the Hope games...

They didn't.  However, since the stated attendance was "always" listed as 4,500, that is the number that they continued to publish.

[wiz]

Who even manufactures a scoreboard without team fouls?  That one's on the manufacturer not Calvin.

The two large video screens were not on last night.  I have no idea how they will be used when operational, but I wonder if additional statistics might be a possibility.

Don't expect to see the 2 large video screens in use at basketball games.  They will be used for concerts, graduation, lectures, and other venues.