MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

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Who even manufactures a scoreboard without team fouls?  That one's on the manufacturer not Calvin.

The two large video screens were not on last night.  I have no idea how they will be used when operational, but I wonder if additional statistics might be a possibility.

Don't expect to see the 2 large video screens in use at basketball games.  They will be used for concerts, graduation, lectures, and other venues.

Henry DeVries specifically mentioned replays during one of the updates or interviews.  Can't quite remember which one though...

[Civic Minded]

I'm reminded that Olivet's scoreboard apparently doesn't have a specific place for team fouls either, although I didn't notice it.

I do remember seeing the numbers up there.

Olivet did have a place for team fouls, and in addition, the current team foul total would flash momentarily under the column of individual fouls when a foul had been committed.  I found the redundancy interesting.  But then, hanging with Sac I'm finding many items of minutia (sp?) interesting...   

[Civic Minded]

If memory serves correct the large video screens are tied in with the same system that would be used to do webcasts.  The screens can do replays etc.  Calvin hired a video expert to set up and operate the system.  It may be very possible to do a scroll or something of that nature to supply the "missing" foul data.  The offical dedication of the new complex is set for Homecoming weekend Feb. 19, 20, 21.  I am sure some of the kinks will be worked out by then, and all the bells and whistles will be functioning.

Leave them alone! First you invite them, then you dismiss them!



(If at first you don't succeed...)

Not to worry, HC -- I for one got it the first time (you really got me, you really got me, you really got me).  I'm old, evidently. 

[OC_SID]

Civic Minded -- the redundancy is there because the computer that I am using to score the game feeds the information for  the side stat boards ... It is sort of check that the scoreboad operator and I have the same number of team fouls ... My scoring computer also controls the part on the main board for the player # who commited the foul as well as his/her total # of fouls ...

Basically, the scoreboard operator has to add points, add team fouls, start/stop game clock and start/stop timeouts ... The operator does nor have to worry about the individual player stuff.

I hope that I have not confused you!!

[Civic Minded]

Civic Minded -- the redundancy is there because the computer that I am using to score the game feeds the information for  the side stat boards ... It is sort of check that the scoreboad operator and I have the same number of team fouls ... My scoring computer also controls the part on the main board for the player # who commited the foul as well as his/her total # of fouls ...

Basically, the scoreboard operator has to add points, add team fouls, start/stop game clock and start/stop timeouts ... The operator does nor have to worry about the individual player stuff.

I hope that I have not confused you!!

No, not at all -- in fact, I liked it.  It was just something I had not seen before, and since we were discussing whether it existed at all, I was delighted that I had paid enough attention to clarify.     Makes perfect sense to me.  And since I didn't get to tell you in person (since a certain poster snapped you up to get other league scores  ) congratulations on the new facility, and thanks for the great directions!

[ephoops]

I typically post in the NESCAC room given that  I'm a former player at Williams.

I just wanted to drop in and congratulate Calvin and its fans on the opening of the new arena.  Based on the pictures I've seen, it appears to be a beautiful facility.  Much nicer than any facility I've seen or played in at the D-3 level in the Northeast.  In fact, it looks nicer than most low- and mid-major D-1 facilities in the Notheast.

How much did it cost to build the arena?  How much was raised privately from alums?  Was there any municipal / state / federal money used?

Finally, excluding the Hope game, what is the average attendance at Calvin home games?

[MIdoubleA]

Finally, excluding the Hope game, what is the average attendance at Calvin home games?

I smell dead horse!

Though I suppose it can be excused by ephoops, since he is a new poster to our boards.

[northb]

The game was sold out, but attendance is listed in the box score as 4395 and the arena was only about 80-90% full -- ??

Possibly a lot of advance ticket sales, and subsequent "no-shows" due to the bad weather?

RR

The thing that doesn't make sense is this: 4395 is too low to be the number of tickets sold because capacity is supposed to be 5000. It also seems a little high to be actual attendance, because of those 20% empty seats.

Maybe there was a significant number of people who came to the women's game only, which was on the same ticket. So it's actual attendance, but for either of the two games.

I heard that many tickets were given to the contractors that had worked on the project.  On a snowy night for a later game, their enthusiasm may have waned.

[realist]

ephoop:  Glad you stopped by the MIAA board.  Yes the new Van Noord is a great facility.  Just like the De Vos that Hope opened several years ago.  As you probably read a 3rd coference school Olivet also opened a new fieldhouse this season.
I will attempt to answer some of your questions.  The Van Noord arena which is pictured is the 5,000 seat, multi use facility.  It is designed to have 2 full size, regulation courts for practice.  It also features a 3rd regulation size floor that is covered by pull out bleachers for games.  The floor of the old fieldhouse was kept, giving 4 full size playing floors for all teams to practice.  They are also utilized this way for classes.  The balance of the old fieldhouse is being converted over to office, health center, and classroom space.  The old swimming pool which was attached to the old fieldhouse was torn down, and a new 50 meter pool built.  A thrid 100,000 sq ft. building was added as an indoor track and soceer facility.  Weight rooms, locker rooms etc. were all added.  The entire complex came in at something just over 50 million.  Calvin currently has a 150 million fund raising drive underway.  Like most coilleges it relies heavily on some deep pocketed donors, and the college is blessed in that many of it's alums have done well, and remember the college with donations.  I do not recall hearing any mention of using federal funds, and doubt that the state or local governments were tapped in any meaningful or significat way.  I know there were issues with water drainage, some streets, etc., so governmental units were involved in the permit process, but doubt any gave funds for the buildings.  Over the years average attendance has varied, but Hope, Calvin and IL Wes. seem to have come in as the top 3 for awhile now.  I

[ScotsFan]

Over the years average attendance has varied, but Hope, Calvin and IL Wes. seem to have come in as the top 3 for awhile now. 

Hey now.  Don't forget about Wooster.   

Wooster has actually come in 2nd to Hope each of the last 2 seasons in attendance.

Just had to give you a hard time on that one...      8)

[realist]

Over the years average attendance has varied, but Hope, Calvin and IL Wes. seem to have come in as the top 3 for awhile now. 

Hey now.  Don't forget about Wooster.   

Wooster has actually come in 2nd to Hope each of the last 2 seasons in attendance.

Just had to give you a hard time on that one...      8)

That just goes to prove a person shouldn't trust their memory when posting items of great importance.  I surely did not intend to slight our friends from Wooster.  Calvin's atttendance has gone down over the last few years, so the fact a new number 2 or 3 came into play shouldn't surprise anyone.  With the new fieldhouse I do expect Calvin's number to be up this year. 

[Gregory Sager]

If memory serves correct the large video screens are tied in with the same system that would be used to do webcasts.  The screens can do replays etc.  Calvin hired a video expert to set up and operate the system.  It may be very possible to do a scroll or something of that nature to supply the "missing" foul data.  The offical dedication of the new complex is set for Homecoming weekend Feb. 19, 20, 21.  I am sure some of the kinks will be worked out by then, and all the bells and whistles will be functioning.

Leave them alone! First you invite them, then you dismiss them!



(If at first you don't succeed...)

Give it up, HC. There are no dedicated followers of fashion here.

[Gregory Sager]

I've never been to IWU or Chicago's new place but I've heard they are very nice.

Both are very good.  But, you think Hope/Olivet have light issues at one end of the court...Take a look at U of Chicago's place...

http://www.owpp.com/content.cfm/the_university_of_chicago_-_gerald_ratner_athletics_center?pimage=4

Yikes! That's gotta be deadly during the daytime.
Similar situation at St. Mary's for the Hope women, especially during Saturday day games. The windows are on the second level and the court is down below, but the glare coming through puts a long streak of light on the floor from end to end. Brian Morehouse has said he hates playing there and, like the gym at Chicago, you can understand why.

You failed to read sac's followup post, Go Vols. As he said, Chicago covers the big window in Ratner with a giant maroon curtain. That window is never exposed during a basketball game.

[sac]

Time to trot out the last few games between Hope and Albion (home team in italics)
2006 Albion 76 Hope 58
2006 Hope 74 Albion 55
2006 Hope 75 Albion 65
2007 Hope 94 Albion 58
2007 Hope 78 Albion 71
2008 Hope 64  Albion 49
2008 Albion 56 Hope 52

After years of playing close games, wider margins have become the norm.  Seems almost unreal Hope had a 5 game win streak in this series untill the final meeting last season.

Albion lost its first 2 MIAA games last season, I'm sure they'd like to avoid a repeat of that start.  It could have very easily been Albion wearing the MIAA crown last season.

Not sure how key some individual matchups are but Albion has a solid backcourt with Leising, Clark and Stasiak.  Perhaps the key matchup is how the unit of Krombeen, Bunn, Tanis and Bosch perfoms collectively vs Albion's backcourt.

Albion has a history of some front line player coming out of nowhere and having a great game vs Hope.  David Bunn and Dave Elliot are guys to watch in that category, I expect Drew Yancy to play well vs Hope.   I think he always has.  As big as rebounding was Wed vs Olivet it should be bigger vs Albion.   I could count that as the biggest reason Hope lost at Albion last season.  If either team struggles on the boards, thats a big danger sign.


This is one I wish I could see but its Christmas in the Sac household and I'll be Rock, Chalk, Jayhawkin' it at Breslin anyway.  I know you're.....green with envy.    Last time I saw the Jayhawks in person, Danny Manning was playing vs Mitch Richmond and Kansas State at the Silver Dome.

[sac]

Couple notes

***James Scott did not return to Olivet for this semester.  Losing your #4 scorer and starter probably weakens that team some.  Maybe enough to knock them from the "contender" category?  One player can make such a difference in this league and losing one doesn't help.

***Looking through the NCAA's team leaders and found a very curous thing.  The MIAA has 5 teams ranked among the nations leader in Assist/Turnover Ratio.

Olivet #24t  1.18
Hope #24t  1.18
Calvin #40  1.13
Albion #51  1.09
Adrian #59  1.06

Maybe some good guard play in the MIAA this year?

***MIAA teams in the top 20 of National Leaders, prior to this weeks games

Free Throw Percentage
#7 Olivet 78.0
Assists per game
#7 Olivet 18.2
Blocks per game
#17 Olivet   5.0

Desmond Young is #10 overall in scoring, Jesse Reimink is #24

http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings?sportCode=MBB&rpt=wkly