MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[goodknight]

GVW's interview with the Press after Hope "lost the score, but not the game."

WTH is that supposed to mean? Complete nonsense.

I guess it was a confidence building loss.  Much like Calvin experienced to Olivet the next Wednesday.

I would scarcely call Calvin's loss to Olivet a confidence-building loss.
The best possible interpretation is that it will be, in hindsight, a bit of a wakeup call.  We'll see. 

[ACHOOPS-00]

Adrian gave a great effort on saturday but Hope was just is the better team when it counted.  I also agree with another poster about why Buck Riley was fouling in that situation.  Have some confidence in your defense.  If they get a stop right there, you have a chance for the win with 10 seconds left.  Poor decision by the coaching staff of Adrian.  It seemed like a decision that would be made in a high school game not in college with the shot clock. 

Desmond Young was great once again for the bulldawgs.  If this kid would of came as a freshman, he would have a chance at being the all time leading scorer in school history.  I still think he will end up in the top ten all time which is great for only playing 3 years. 

[GoVols]

GVW's interview with the Press after Hope "lost the score, but not the game."

WTH is that supposed to mean? Complete nonsense.

Thanks for the post.  I asked myself the same question.  I think this one goes on the  list with moral victory etc. etc. etc.   

very same play, very same shot, very different result as jesse scores against adrian giving hope the lead for good. So he's hitting 50-percent from 18 feet with the game on the line. So what?

[Happy Calvin Guy]

I don't know why opposing fans even care what GVW does or doesn't say,

Me neither.  If it makes you feel any better, I certainly "don't care what GVW does or doesn't say". 

On another more meaningful topic, does anyone have any info on Veldhouse's injury? 

[Adrian Hoops Fan]

I'm not quite sure I agree with our two Adrian posters about the time Staley and Young went off the floor in the first half.  It was for all of 2 minutes and Hope score only 5 points, which extended an already 6 point lead.  Hope already had momentum and was building on it.  It was really after those two came back on the floor that Adrian started controlling the tempo and the game better.  If anything having them off the floor might have helped them see how helter skelter it was.

Hope played the same two minutes without Peter Bunn, Jesse Reimink or Will Bowser on the floor.  So essentially the five leading scorers were all out of the game at the same time.

Here's the box score section of that time........Peter Bunn left at the 12:07 mark, Will Bowser didn't return untill 5:54.   (sorry about the formating, as you can see there is none.)

SUB IN : Matt Wayne                             10:09              SUB IN : Zach Osburn
SUB IN : Jordan Parks                           10:09              SUB IN : Daniel Cox
SUB IN : Brian O'Connor                         10:09              SUB OUT: Jesse Reimink
SUB IN : Ryan Sigler                            10:09              SUB OUT: Will Bowser
SUB OUT: Desmond Young                          10:09
SUB OUT: Michael Staley                         10:09
SUB OUT: Chris Primley                          10:09
SUB OUT: Nate Cassidy                           10:09
TURNOVR by Jordan Parks                         10:07
                                                10:03              STEAL by David Krombeen
                                                10:02  16-24  V 8  GOOD! LAYUP by David Krombeen [FB/PNT]
TURNOVR by Brian O'Connor                       09:39
                                                09:37              STEAL by Zach Osburn
                                                09:32  16-27  V 11 GOOD! 3 PTR by Ty Tanis
                                                09:32              ASSIST by David Krombeen
TIMEOUT TEAM                                    09:17
MISSED JUMPER by Brian O'Connor                 08:50
REBOUND (OFF) by Matt Wayne                     08:50
                                                08:48              FOUL by Zach Osburn
TURNOVR by Dwight VanHoesen                     08:14
                                                08:10              STEAL by David Krombeen
REBOUND (DEF) by (TEAM)                         08:07              MISSED 3 PTR by Ty Tanis
                                                08:06              FOUL by Andy Venema
SUB IN : Desmond Young                          08:06
SUB IN : Michael Staley                         08:06
SUB OUT: Jordan Parks                           08:06
SUB OUT: Ryan Sigler                            08:06
GOOD! FT SHOT by Michael Staley                 07:38  17-27  V 10 FOUL by Zach Osburn
GOOD! FT SHOT by Michael Staley                 07:38  18-27  V 9
SUB IN : Chris Primley                          07:38              SUB IN : Peter Bunn
SUB OUT: Brian O'Connor                         07:38              SUB IN : Jesse Reimink
                                                07:38              SUB IN : Scott Jungling

I guess both teams could have looked at those couple of minutes as a good time to take advantage of the other team missing its best players.  In my case, the disappointment is that Hope took greater advantage of the time without Young and Staley on the floor than Adrian did (at least during that spell) when Reimink, Bunn and Bowser were off the floor.  It just appears to have been an opportunity lost.

Agreed the top threats for Hope were out then too.  But Adrian has a far greater drop off in playmakers after Young and Staley at guard and Dwight VanHoesen was coming off an injury that sidelined him since the Calvin game the previous week.  Thus, the back cout was very young and inexperienced and the turnovers were quick and furious giving Hope fast break layups in that time frame.  That is why I would of liked to see Young and Staley be rested separately.  Adrian just doesn't have the depth Hope has.  Again, representing the importance of Desmond and showing why Young and Staley are #1 & 2 in minutes played.

And in response to Hoopdreams on your comment that Desmond forced shots because he wasn't being guarded well...  Not the case, Hope was very physical and there was always someone lurking to double team.  Desmond has worn the target on his back since he arrived in Adrian and knows when he can get his shot off and when he gets too deep into the defense.  And with how he is able to elevate over the defense to shoot, Adrian fans are more then confident in his pull up J.  So maybe you need to actually give credit to someone instead of slighting his performance just because he is not from your team.   Just my opinion, but it seems a trend of yours to make excuses for why an opponent could play well against Hope because according to you it couldn't be beacause they are an elite level player.   

Moving forward, if Matt Wayne continues to play this way (my vote for most improved in the MIAA), Staley continues to do what he does and Young is healthy Adrian will be very dangerous.  Add to that Dwight should be getting healthy and back on track, they just may peak at the right time.  That said, Wednesday vs Olivet is a huge game for the Bulldogs!!

[sac]

There might be a nice debate at the end of the year, ......who's most improved Matt Wayne or Matt Veltema?

[arena]

GVW's interview with the Press after Hope "lost the score, but not the game."

WTH is that supposed to mean? Complete nonsense.

I guess it was a confidence building loss.  Much like Calvin experienced to Olivet the next Wednesday.

I would scarcely call Calvin's loss to Olivet a confidence-building loss.
The best possible interpretation is that it will be, in hindsight, a bit of a wakeup call.  We'll see. 

I agree.  Hence what I wrote.

[dumezrules]

GVW's interview with the Press after Hope "lost the score, but not the game."

WTH is that supposed to mean? Complete nonsense.

Thanks for the post.  I asked myself the same question.  I think this one goes on the  list with moral victory etc. etc. etc.   

In sports (especially basketball, hockey also comes to mind..)) it is possible to completely outplay the other team and lose the game.  GVW means...he is happy with how Hope competed and how they played...except for the shooting percentage.  That is something that happens in a season.  You will have a game where NO ONE is making anything....

Bob Knight said it best:  " In a 30 game season, you will have about 6 games where you shoot so good, you cant believe it, 6 games where you shoot so bad, that cant be your team....and the rest is who your team really is." 

[dumezrules]

SAC:  It comes with the territory for GVW, KVS or any coach.   

Only when people who don't/can't/won't coach decide it should come with the territory 

[KnightSlappy]

In sports (especially basketball, hockey also comes to mind..)) it is possible to completely outplay the other team and lose the game. 

I strongly disagree.

[HopeConvert]

I just thought the video had some good highlights, particularly of that last shot.

[realist]

It is somewhat ironic that a poster who now wonders why anyone could/would care about anything their coach might now say only a few short weeks ago posted the fact that coach was going on Hoopsville.

HC:  It was indeed interesting, but it was a different day, and against a different team.

[realist]

GVW's interview with the Press after Hope "lost the score, but not the game."

WTH is that supposed to mean? Complete nonsense.

Thanks for the post.  I asked myself the same question.  I think this one goes on the  list with moral victory etc. etc. etc.   

In sports (especially basketball, hockey also comes to mind..)) it is possible to completely outplay the other team and lose the game.  GVW means...he is happy with how Hope competed and how they played...except for the shooting percentage.  That is something that happens in a season.  You will have a game where NO ONE is making anything....

Bob Knight said it best:  " In a 30 game season, you will have about 6 games where you shoot so good, you cant believe it, 6 games where you shoot so bad, that cant be your team....and the rest is who your team really is." 

Every game one can think of involves some method of "keeping score".  To outplay someone by definition implies that you outscored that person.  You play the game to win, and you keep score to track or chart your progress towards that objective.
It sounds like sour grapes when you hear someone try to rationalize a loss by making lame excuses or questionable statements.
I only added my comment because IMHO a good journalist should have  edited the comment out.

[scottiedawg]

I'm confused.  So Calvin won the score but Hope won the game?  how does that work?

Give it a rest.  You've got to take anything head coaches say with a grain of salt.  GVW is not trying to take anything away from Calvin's victory.  He's just trying to put the loss in a good light for his team.  It's worthless to argue over whether a win was a pyrrhic victory or a loss was a moral victory. Calvin won fair and square.  GVW is hoping his squad can take enough positives away so they get the win at Calvin. 

[sac]

It is somewhat ironic that a poster who now wonders why anyone could/would care about anything their coach might now say only a few short weeks ago posted the fact that coach was going on Hoopsville.

Ya think there might be a few Hope posters that frequent this site that might have been interested?

I only wonder why opposing fans care so much, at least once a year a quote gets pulled from some article somewhere and is ridiculed.