MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

Almost made it 3 days. 

[KnightSlappy]

So I just wrote a post about my thoughts on the athletic facilities discussion but I guess my "session timed out while posting" and it failed to go through.

Main points:
- ALL students can use and benefit from athletic facilities (Although not necessarily basketball arenas).
- New facilities in all areas of campus life is important in attracting students.
- Calvin is ongoing in their efforts to give the school a "facelift" (New Fine Arts Center and Student Commons area coming soon)
- Calvin is very blessed to be associated with some VERY, VERY generous donors.

[dumezrules]

Except Liverpool wasn't outplaying Chelsea while they were in the process of recording an own goal.

That doesn't erase the other 94 minutes Liverpool was the better team.
Both men were marked and there wasn't a Chelsea player within sniffing distance of the ball.

I can see black and white results is all you see.  Thats fine.  But it happens.

I am finally back to say thank you sac...I do not know you but you have seen my point and also elaborated for me....

This is fun stuff reading people's violent reaction to their own teams win! 

Reviewing conference statistics from time to time is worthwhile for MIAA observers. In doing so, several things stand out. I'll highlight three.

1) Contrary to popular opinion, reports on how poorly Calvin defends (particularly from beyond the arc) are wildly exaggerated. The Knights lead the conference in team field goal defense and are third in defending against the 3 ball (they limit opponents to .289 from beyond the are while the Knights are hitting at .383 clip themselves to lead that statistic).

I am not popular opinion (obviously  ) 

[ziggy]

So I just wrote a post about my thoughts on the athletic facilities discussion but I guess my "session timed out while posting" and it failed to go through.

Main points:
- ALL students can use and benefit from athletic facilities (Although not necessarily basketball arenas).
- New facilities in all areas of campus life is important in attracting students.
- Calvin is ongoing in their efforts to give the school a "facelift" (New Fine Arts Center and Student Commons area coming soon)
- Calvin is very blessed to be associated with some VERY, VERY generous donors.

Van Noord Arena allows Calvin to bring graduation back to campus, rather than having to use Van Andel Arena.  Graduations will be much more comfortable than in the cramped and un-air conditioned Fieldhouse.

Facilities like the SFC are an investment in the institution, not just the athletic department.

[sac]

I figured I'd lose karma for this post, but it's important for folks to state opinions. And everyone has been doing so rather politely.

The shaky ceasefire could be severely tested Feb. 11.

-2 k in the last 15 minutes for me.   

[Pat Coleman]

Almost made it 3 days. 

Probably because of this post. Seems a little overly sensitive.

[sac]

Almost made it 3 days. 

Probably because of this post. Seems a little overly sensitive.

Sensitivity has nothing to do with it.  Constant smart remarks does.  But if the webmaster doesn't care people are staying away because of them, I guess I shouldn't.

[scottiedawg]

Seeing as we've reached the halfway point of the conference season, I thought I would take a look at who might be the 1st and 2nd team all MIAA, based solely on the statistics. 

I looked at the top 10 in each category (a few categories had less than 10 ranked), and awarded points based on ranking:
 
10 points for 1st, 9 points for 2nd... on down to 1 point for 10th. 

Which categories exactly did you use?

[realist]

Quoting Sac:  Jesse shot 42.7% in the MIAA games last season............and he wasn't being held, pushed, bumped, shoved, grappled, etc etc nearly as much.  Nor was he facing as much help defense, this year 2 to 3 players are coming at him almost every touch." 

I am sure when the above quote was posted it was done in the spirit of Kumbaya.   
However, some Calvin fan may read it that Mr. Riemink is due some sort of special treatment either because he is a star, and/or because he plays for Hope.

Having seen most of the MVP's for the last 40 years,  fans of each team they played for thought the guy was targeted, and didn't get some calls he should have.  On the other hand the fans of the opposing teams thought the guy got preferential treatment.  Classic example would be Honderd.

Just like Sac"s statement it really depends on your perspective.      You can't enjoy the respect being a mvp candidate brings without realizing other teams are going to try to shut you down.

[SKOT]

Seeing as we've reached the halfway point of the conference season, I thought I would take a look at who might be the 1st and 2nd team all MIAA, based solely on the statistics. 

I looked at the top 10 in each category (a few categories had less than 10 ranked), and awarded points based on ranking:
 
10 points for 1st, 9 points for 2nd... on down to 1 point for 10th. 

Which categories exactly did you use?

My guess would be the individual stats from the MIAA website. Though, if you use those, Jesse Reimink should be in 12 of the 13 categories

http://www.miaa.org/mbb/stats/0809/confstat.htm

[NW Hope Fan]

Quoting Sac:  Jesse shot 42.7% in the MIAA games last season............and he wasn't being held, pushed, bumped, shoved, grappled, etc etc nearly as much.  Nor was he facing as much help defense, this year 2 to 3 players are coming at him almost every touch." 

I am sure when the above quote was posted it was done in the spirit of Kumbaya.   
However, some Calvin fan may read it that Mr. Riemink is due some sort of special treatment either because he is a star, and/or because he plays for Hope.

I don't know... I would hope it reads and sounds the same. It sounds like props for a guy who is being guarded like a leading MVP candidate. It didn't sound like to me that SAC was complaining about the coverage as much as he is highlighting the rise in his play under the circumstances... Just my take. 

[Pat Coleman]

Almost made it 3 days. 

Probably because of this post. Seems a little overly sensitive.

Sensitivity has nothing to do with it.  Constant smart remarks does.  But if the webmaster doesn't care people are staying away because of them, I guess I shouldn't.

Smart remarks are part of human nature. I face them all the time, and sometimes I react, often I ignore. I've had to develop a lot thicker skin and those who have been around for a while probably recognize that I let a lot of things go that used to really bother me. It can't always be a love-fest here. There's more than one or two teams in the MIAA and not everyone will get along. But I think that if people continue to show that it gets to them, people will keep doing it. (You may recognize this as OxyBob's MO on another board or two.)

For the record, I was talking about why your karma might have gone down -- responding to your post about karma with a quote showing the post that might have caused it.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Seeing as we've reached the halfway point of the conference season, I thought I would take a look at who might be the 1st and 2nd team all MIAA, based solely on the statistics. 

I looked at the top 10 in each category (a few categories had less than 10 ranked), and awarded points based on ranking:
 
10 points for 1st, 9 points for 2nd... on down to 1 point for 10th. 

Which categories exactly did you use?

All of them (conference only) - which I realize may give an unfair advantage to the rebounders

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Seeing as we've reached the halfway point of the conference season, I thought I would take a look at who might be the 1st and 2nd team all MIAA, based solely on the statistics. 

I looked at the top 10 in each category (a few categories had less than 10 ranked), and awarded points based on ranking:
 
10 points for 1st, 9 points for 2nd... on down to 1 point for 10th. 

Which categories exactly did you use?

My guess would be the individual stats from the MIAA website. Though, if you use those, Jesse Reimink should be in 12 of the 13 categories

http://www.miaa.org/mbb/stats/0809/confstat.htm

Not true - Jesse is not ranked in Assist/TO ratio or offensive rebounds - that would be a total of 11

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Quoting Sac:  Jesse shot 42.7% in the MIAA games last season............and he wasn't being held, pushed, bumped, shoved, grappled, etc etc nearly as much.  Nor was he facing as much help defense, this year 2 to 3 players are coming at him almost every touch." 

I am sure when the above quote was posted it was done in the spirit of Kumbaya.   
However, some Calvin fan may read it that Mr. Riemink is due some sort of special treatment either because he is a star, and/or because he plays for Hope.

Having seen most of the MVP's for the last 40 years,  fans of each team they played for thought the guy was targeted, and didn't get some calls he should have.  On the other hand the fans of the opposing teams thought the guy got preferential treatment.  Classic example would be Honderd.

Just like Sac"s statement it really depends on your perspective.      You can't enjoy the respect being a mvp candidate brings without realizing other teams are going to try to shut you down.

I'm sure that sac's comment was simply to point out the actualy situation in which Jesse is playing this year.  If anyone were to interpret this to be some kind of complaint, well I guess that would say a lot more about them than it does about the original post or the poster.