MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[realist]

More wine!!!

Amen, preach it sister!

I usually stay out of these discussions entirely because it's a sure way to lose karma no matter what you say. But there is a lot of wisdom in some old saws. One in particular that applies to chat rooms: don't feed the trolls. It only encourages them. [ Trish can take it.  ]

Darn it DK: Now you have gone an taken all the fun out of the roll out of my new statisical analysis tool SWAG.  It took me hours, and more glasses of wine than I care to admit to conceive this clever, witty answer to my BFF TRISH.  BTW: TRISH has been unusually quiet since Wed's games.  Me thinks too many teams failed to perform as expected.

FDF"  Sadly, like me, you date yourself.  Dancing is now acceptable on the Calvin campus. HPERDS.   However, I am pretty sure the use of wine on the campus for anything other than religious purposes is still frowned upon.

[goodknight]

More wine!!!

Careful now - too much wine and then you'll start dancing - which of course could lead to suspension or even expulsion from the Calvin campus.

              8)               

Hate to break it to you, FDF, but you're dating yourself.  :
Which reminds me of a wicked good Woody Allen line, but I'll resist...

[realist]

HPERDS. Health, physical education. recreation, dancing and sport really does go a long way in explaining the rationale behind the new Spoelhof complex.   The old fieldhouse just was not well suited to handling all the demands placed upon it.  The new Van Noord arena because of it's expected multiple uses might seem a bit "unique" for a basketball crowd, but it gets used for actual bball games only approx. 28 times a year.  Even "The Palace", as Sac: points out would have a hard time surviving if all that happened in the building were bball games.  However, I do agree it does seem sad they find it necessary to raise a none bball banner.

[HopeConvert]

I saw the ESPN Magazine article and thought it unfortunate that they interviewed only a Calvin player and didn't note that Hope leads the alltime series (which would help answer the player's rhetorical question about whether you'd rather go to battle with a Knight or a Flying Dutchman; the latter are currently up 2). Fortunately this was compensated for by a picture of the Dew Crew.

I also took sac's post to be a simple description of how good Jesse's stats are. The refs call what they call, but the fact is team's have been defending Hope the last 5 or 6 games by putting a couple of bodies on Jesse and riding him hard. He hasn't complained, GVW hasn't complained, none of us are complaining. In my mind, it simply makes what he's doing all the more impressive.

Dancing was permissible on Calvin's campus when I was a student there in the early 80's, so long as it was referred to euphemistically. I'll let you make your own joke.

[KnightSlappy]

My post:

The criteria for the Hope coach, going back to 1948, is:

1) You must make a committment to stay for at least 30 years, and stay longer than your predecessor.
2) You must keep the Hope Nation happy with a lot of MIAA championships, including more than your predecessor.
3) You must be a star player at Hope, being all-MIAA first team at least two years, if not MIAA MVP.
4) And a new criteria that began in 1977:  You must have a winning record vs. Calvin.

5) You must not win a National Championship

Followed by this post:

Almost made it 3 days. 

Isn't #4 of AlwaysHope's post as much of a "smart remark" as my added #5?  Why are Hope fans allowed to point out that Hope, and GVW have had the upper hand over Calvin but it is not kosher for Calvin fans to point out the fact that Calvin has taken home the walnut and bronze (twice) and Hope has not? I Can't wait for Feb. 11.

Even "The Palace", as Sac: points out would have a hard time surviving if all that happened in the building were bball games.

Concerts and other events are so important that a Detroit Shock home WNBA Finals game was moved to the Eastern Michigan University Convocation Center (where my H.S. graduation was held) because of a scheduling conflict with Disney on Ice.

I saw the ESPN Magazine article and thought it unfortunate that they interviewed only a Calvin player and didn't note that Hope leads the alltime series (which would help answer the player's rhetorical question about whether you'd rather go to battle with a Knight or a Flying Dutchman; the latter are currently up 2). Fortunately this was compensated for by a picture of the Dew Crew.

The Mag article on college basketball rivalries was written by individual students not ESPN.  I also believe that those who wrote the blurbs were not players, but general students.  I think they were intended to give the individual student's take on the rivalry and were not necessarily supposed to be even sided.

[GoVols]

Quoting Sac:  Jesse shot 42.7% in the MIAA games last season............and he wasn't being held, pushed, bumped, shoved, grappled, etc etc nearly as much.  Nor was he facing as much help defense, this year 2 to 3 players are coming at him almost every touch." 

I am sure when the above quote was posted it was done in the spirit of Kumbaya.   
However, some Calvin fan may read it that Mr. Riemink is due some sort of special treatment either because he is a star, and/or because he plays for Hope.

I don't know... I would hope it reads and sounds the same. It sounds like props for a guy who is being guarded like a leading MVP candidate. It didn't sound like to me that SAC was complaining about the coverage as much as he is highlighting the rise in his play under the circumstances... Just my take. 

NWH:  My intent was to try to be positive about Sac's post, and Mr. Riemink at the same time.  My goal was to say that some readers might have a different slant on the post than Sac intended or what you and I got out of it.  
No doubt Jesse is the leading MVP candidate at this point in time, and it will take a superhuman effort for anyone to beat him out of the crown.  At the same time no one should expect that other teams/players are going to rollover and play dead just because he is on the floor.

Voting for a true MVP can get real dicey; just look at all of the problems the writers/voters have in Major League Baseball every year. Remember when Andre Dawson was MVP when he played for the last-place Cubs (if memory serves)? How "V" could he have been?
All of this would be a moot point if there were an MVP (Most Valuable Player on a championship or strong contender?) AND a Player of the Year (best player in the league, hands down). In certain situations, that could even be the same person.
Could I get an "AMEN" to that one?

[AlwaysHope]

I saw the ESPN Magazine article and thought it unfortunate that they interviewed only a Calvin player and didn't note that Hope leads the alltime series (which would help answer the player's rhetorical question about whether you'd rather go to battle with a Knight or a Flying Dutchman; the latter are currently up 2). Fortunately this was compensated for by a picture of the Dew Crew.

I also took sac's post to be a simple description of how good Jesse's stats are. The refs call what they call, but the fact is team's have been defending Hope the last 5 or 6 games by putting a couple of bodies on Jesse and riding him hard. He hasn't complained, GVW hasn't complained, none of us are complaining. In my mind, it simply makes what he's doing all the more impressive.

Dancing was permissible on Calvin's campus when I was a student there in the early 80's, so long as it was referred to euphemistically. I'll let you make your own joke.

All this discussion about dancing on campus reminds me of a student teacher I had a Holland High in the early 60's.  He told me at the time that dancing was not permitted on the Hope campus (that policy changed shortly after that), so the students got together and had "foot functions!"

[Mr. Ypsi]

I saw the ESPN Magazine article and thought it unfortunate that they interviewed only a Calvin player and didn't note that Hope leads the alltime series (which would help answer the player's rhetorical question about whether you'd rather go to battle with a Knight or a Flying Dutchman; the latter are currently up 2). Fortunately this was compensated for by a picture of the Dew Crew.

I also took sac's post to be a simple description of how good Jesse's stats are. The refs call what they call, but the fact is team's have been defending Hope the last 5 or 6 games by putting a couple of bodies on Jesse and riding him hard. He hasn't complained, GVW hasn't complained, none of us are complaining. In my mind, it simply makes what he's doing all the more impressive.

Dancing was permissible on Calvin's campus when I was a student there in the early 80's, so long as it was referred to euphemistically. I'll let you make your own joke.

All this discussion about dancing on campus reminds me of a student teacher I had a Holland High in the early 60's.  He told me at the time that dancing was not permitted on campus (that policy changed shortly after that), so the students got together and had "foot functions!"

How would you care to ask a young lady, "Would you like to function with me?"

Best be VERY careful with your pronunciation!

[goodknight]

I saw the ESPN Magazine article and thought it unfortunate that they interviewed only a Calvin player and didn't note that Hope leads the alltime series (which would help answer the player's rhetorical question about whether you'd rather go to battle with a Knight or a Flying Dutchman; the latter are currently up 2). Fortunately this was compensated for by a picture of the Dew Crew.

I also took sac's post to be a simple description of how good Jesse's stats are. The refs call what they call, but the fact is team's have been defending Hope the last 5 or 6 games by putting a couple of bodies on Jesse and riding him hard. He hasn't complained, GVW hasn't complained, none of us are complaining. In my mind, it simply makes what he's doing all the more impressive.

Dancing was permissible on Calvin's campus when I was a student there in the early 80's, so long as it was referred to euphemistically. I'll let you make your own joke.

All this discussion about dancing on campus reminds me of a student teacher I had a Holland High in the early 60's.  He told me at the time that dancing was not permitted on the Hope campus (that policy changed shortly after that), so the students got together and had "foot functions!"

In the 60s and 70s, the euphemism was "parties with music."
Just ask oldknight.

[GoKnights68]

Anyone that complains about "smart remarks" on here needs to just go another message board like mlive or espn.com and see all the crap that gets posted on there.  This site is probably one of the most well-discussed and maturely-discussed forums that you will ever find.

[sac]

Anyone that complains about "smart remarks" on here needs to just go another message board like mlive or espn.com and see all the crap that gets posted on there.  This site is probably one of the most well-discussed and maturely-discussed forums that you will ever find.

If the 10% or so who can't act mature would like to go to Mlive permanently I'm all for it.

That last line emboldened might be a sad commentary, no?   The irony is of course that my karma dropped yet another point between 11:00 and now.  Not accusing but....... yeah mature forum my behind.

[sac]

So Olivet plays at Hope tommorrow night..........

A few things I'm looking for in no particular order, or order of significance just random thoughts.

1.  Olivet's 3 point shooting --- at Olivet it was in a word, horrific.  4-25 but just 1-22 after the first five minutes.  I don't expect the Comets will pull that off again, it really is hard to do when you think about it.  The question will be can Hope hold off the Comets making 3's.

2.  Rebounding  --- Hope outrebounded Olivet the first time, not sure Hope can count on that again.  The McClary's had 5 and 4 rebounds, without looking that up I'm sure thats close to season lows for both, certainly for both in a game.  Hope got nice help on the glass from Osburn, Bowser, Reimink and Bunn.  They'll need that effort again.  4 of the leagues top 6 rebound leaders will be in this one.  McClary, McClary, Reimink, Bowser.

3.  Andre Evans --- he burned Hope early, then Hope contained him.  The zone worked last time because Olivet couldn't buy a 3.   Watch how much zone Hope plays and how effective it is.   And watch how Hope handles the pressure D if it comes, they botched it up pretty good at Olivet.

4.  Reimink v B. McClary ---  Not so much the 1 v 1 matchup, but just watch these two guys play.  They're at the top of their games as Sr's.  This might (might) be the last time they square off against each other.   26 for Jesse, 23 for Brandon last time.  Fun stuff.

5.  Benches  ---   Olivet 5 point, Hope 13 points last time.  That was just 1 less than the final margin.

6.  Pace  ----  Which team controls the pace.  Higher speed favors Hope you'd think.  The Dutchmen let Adrian willingly control the game last Saturday, Olivet will want to play a slower pace like the 2nd half at Olivet, 31-31 vs the first half 48-39

7.  Free throws ---  These might be two of the MIAA's best from the stripe in several seasons.  If one team struggles just a little it could be the margin.  The irony is, Hope had its worst day % wise the first time on the MIAA season, 65%.

8.  Stats  --- 4 of top 6 rebounders, 4 of top 5 FG% shooters, 4 of top 6 assist men, 9 of top 19 minutes played.........all on the floor tommorrow night.

[Dark Knight]

BTW: TRISH has been unusually quiet since Wed's games.  Me thinks too many teams failed to perform as expected.

Trish did better than some other unnamed troll  , getting three of four picks right and missing out on one that was a near toss-up. In fact, all the games were within 8 points of expectation, no real surprises. The biggest surprise was that Calvin "should have" won by 22 instead of 14 -- but I think we can attribute that to Calvin's JVs who only scored 2 points to Kazoo's 13 in the last 4 minutes.

Sorry to spoil your fun...

For today Trish says:

Calvin  by 15 at Trine
Hope by 13 vs. Olivet
Alma by 6 at Kazoo
Albion at Adrian: exactly tied (considering the three-point home court advantage to Adrian). Trish just can't decide. However, there is one factor in Albion's favor: their first two games were their worst and they've been improving faster than Adrian, according to Trish.

[realist]

DK:  Hard to claim TRISH did better in the pickem than anyone.     Neither TRISH nor DK are shown as having made picks.

[goodknight]

DK:  Hard to claim TRISH did better in the pickem than anyone.     Neither TRISH nor DK are shown as having made picks.

realist, if you read Dark Knight's post carefully, you will see that he made no such claim.