MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

Random Thoughts:

2.  Is is just me or does SAC seem to be easily irritated recently?

Only because others choose to be irritating.

[CalvinChelseaMom]

Random Thoughts:

1.  In regards to the reduced attendance at Devos on Wed Nights vs Saturday's.  It is obviously that Hope has 1,000 people attending Wednesday night services at their local house of worship.

2.  Is is just me or does SAC seem to be easily irritated recently?

3.  Stinger - the reason for the FT difference is because KZoo is a bunch of HACKS!  On second thought it may be because Jim Schipper (former Calvin player) was the lead ref in the game, and I'm sure he has Hope's best interests in mind

4.  Also, another classy move by a KZOO 'Stinger", flipping the Hope crowd the 'bird' on Saturday.  Another fine example of what a KZOO education will get you.

5.  How about GVW's tongue lashing of Peter Bunn in front of the entire DeVos.  I am sure Peter was majorly motivated after that experience.

6.  Chelsea Mom - congrats to your son on POW, glad to see you back on the forum, however, it is interesting that you disappeared for an extended period last year when your son and Calvin were under performing.  Maybe being 1st in the standings has got you back out and on the board.

7.  Finally, I will start the discussion now, because I am sure we will have this conversation after the season and the all MIAA teams are announced.  Do you think a player who has gone 0-8 and 4-16 in two specific league games and is shooting 35% from the floor and 30% from 3 for the entire season and 33% and 22% in MIAA play can be considered for 1st team status?  Thoughts?

Hope outscored Kzoo at the freethrow line by  22 , so that should please the conspiracy theorists.

35-10 FT discrepancy.  Kzoo finishes with 6 more FG's than Hope.   

Deep breaths everyone.

Section 7, thanks for the congrats and for the "welcome back."

[ziggy]

7.  Finally, I will start the discussion now, because I am sure we will have this conversation after the season and the all MIAA teams are announced.  Do you think a player who has gone 0-8 and 4-16 in two specific league games and is shooting 35% from the floor and 30% from 3 for the entire season and 33% and 22% in MIAA play can be considered for 1st team status?  Thoughts?

That would depend on if the player is the type that a coach should be concerned about or not.  If the coach decides that those stats of the player in questions mean that he is not someone to key on offensively then the player is certainly not a first teamer.  If the stats are a result of an opposing coach feeling that the player is someone to gameplan around, then the discussion could go either way.  Ultimately an all-league voter will have to determine how much a player impacts the game, statistically or otherwise.

[section7]

Your welcome!

Random Thoughts:

1.  In regards to the reduced attendance at Devos on Wed Nights vs Saturday's.  It is obviously that Hope has 1,000 people attending Wednesday night services at their local house of worship.

2.  Is is just me or does SAC seem to be easily irritated recently?

3.  Stinger - the reason for the FT difference is because KZoo is a bunch of HACKS!  On second thought it may be because Jim Schipper (former Calvin player) was the lead ref in the game, and I'm sure he has Hope's best interests in mind

4.  Also, another classy move by a KZOO 'Stinger", flipping the Hope crowd the 'bird' on Saturday.  Another fine example of what a KZOO education will get you.

5.  How about GVW's tongue lashing of Peter Bunn in front of the entire DeVos.  I am sure Peter was majorly motivated after that experience.

6.  Chelsea Mom - congrats to your son on POW, glad to see you back on the forum, however, it is interesting that you disappeared for an extended period last year when your son and Calvin were under performing.  Maybe being 1st in the standings has got you back out and on the board.

7.  Finally, I will start the discussion now, because I am sure we will have this conversation after the season and the all MIAA teams are announced.  Do you think a player who has gone 0-8 and 4-16 in two specific league games and is shooting 35% from the floor and 30% from 3 for the entire season and 33% and 22% in MIAA play can be considered for 1st team status?  Thoughts?

Hope outscored Kzoo at the freethrow line by  22 , so that should please the conspiracy theorists.

35-10 FT discrepancy.  Kzoo finishes with 6 more FG's than Hope.   

Deep breaths everyone.

Section 7, thanks for the congrats and for the "welcome back."

[ziggy]

Your welcome!

Guess I took the sig down too soon...

[Stinger]

Hope outscored Kzoo at the freethrow line by  22 , so that should please the conspiracy theorists.

35-10 FT discrepancy.  Kzoo finishes with 6 more FG's than Hope.   

I think it was the refs grabbing 20 more rebounds..........quit fouling while Hope's shooting maybe?

4:27 to go K-16 fouls, Hope 14

K fouls 8 times in the last 4:30 to put Hope on the line.

Just listing the stats that you made mention of, Sac.   I didn't say anything more.   

[realist]

Every player should be considered.  Not every player should receive the award.  Unless Caleb goes bonkers in the last two weeks he may not even see the second team.

I tend to disagree on this to a point.  If Caleb gets his shot back, and averages were he did last year the next two weeks I think he gets serious consideration, at least for second team.  Granted he wasn't having an all star season before his injury, but he was drawing alot of defensive attention.  Just last Sat. Adrian did a decent job covering Caleb, and that freed others for some looks.  Call it a sentimental vote, but the ones making these decisions are human an wouldn't want to punish him just because he got hurt.  At the same time as gracious as the voters might want to be for one player it is probable that any advantage he gets will come at the expense of a team mate.  

[Stinger]

Random Thoughts:

1.  In regards to the reduced attendance at Devos on Wed Nights vs Saturday's.  It is obviously that Hope has 1,000 people attending Wednesday night services at their local house of worship.

2.  Is is just me or does SAC seem to be easily irritated recently?

3.  Stinger - the reason for the FT difference is because KZoo is a bunch of HACKS!  On second thought it may be because Jim Schipper (former Calvin player) was the lead ref in the game, and I'm sure he has Hope's best interests in mind

4.  Also, another classy move by a KZOO 'Stinger", flipping the Hope crowd the 'bird' on Saturday.  Another fine example of what a KZOO education will get you.

5.  How about GVW's tongue lashing of Peter Bunn in front of the entire DeVos.  I am sure Peter was majorly motivated after that experience.

6.  Chelsea Mom - congrats to your son on POW, glad to see you back on the forum, however, it is interesting that you disappeared for an extended period last year when your son and Calvin were under performing.  Maybe being 1st in the standings has got you back out and on the board.

7.  Finally, I will start the discussion now, because I am sure we will have this conversation after the season and the all MIAA teams are announced.  Do you think a player who has gone 0-8 and 4-16 in two specific league games and is shooting 35% from the floor and 30% from 3 for the entire season and 33% and 22% in MIAA play can be considered for 1st team status?  Thoughts?

3. Again, I just listed the stat.  I know who Schipper is and his history, and I consider him to be the finest referee this league has. 
4.  Let's not get into a chat about classy fans Section 7.   I have been witness to many, many "classy" Hope fans.  Your  statement  only supports what others in the MIAA see as entitled, and two-faced.  I see right through your hypocritical righteousness.   The fact of the matter is that no other school in the MIAA can match a Kalamazoo education.    There's absolutely no disputing that.


   

[section7]

Stinger - I just reported the facts (sound familar to FT's) about the fan and how he portrayed the school.  Pretty sure he had Kzoo logo wear on.  Thought this stuff went out with Smokin' Joe, but I guess not.  I can say, I have had two experiences with 'Stinger' fans.  One with my 7-year old at KZoo and the Stingers in basketball (and trying to explain why they were allowed to act that way) and another that spring at the Hope/Kzoo baseball game.  I can assure you that many of Kzoo students who were in attendance down the 3rd baseline don't remember the day, if you get my drift.  For sure, my 7-year old at the time and I do.  I'm quite certain, that 'us two-faced and entitled' supporters would not have put up with it and quite sure officials would have been involved.  Glad your happy with your Kzoo education, my niece went there and has done very well.

4.  Let's not get into a chat about classy fans Section 7.   I have been witness to many, many "classy" Hope fans.  Your  statement  only supports what others in the MIAA see as entitled, and two-faced.  I see right through your hypocritical righteousness.   The fact of the matter is that no other school in the MIAA can match a Kalamazoo education.    There's absolutely no disputing that.


   


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[section7]

Updated:  make that 1-32

Speaking of DeVos......it has not been kind to the Hornets.  (should note all of these games were the first meeting of the year)

Never mind DeVos......Holland has not been kind to the Hornets.

1-31 since the 1978 season.   That deserves a whoah, and a 

[GoKnights68]

Random Thoughts:

1.  In regards to the reduced attendance at Devos on Wed Nights vs Saturday's.  It is obviously that Hope has 1,000 people attending Wednesday night services at their local house of worship.

2.  Is is just me or does SAC seem to be easily irritated recently?

3.  Stinger - the reason for the FT difference is because KZoo is a bunch of HACKS!  On second thought it may be because Jim Schipper (former Calvin player) was the lead ref in the game, and I'm sure he has Hope's best interests in mind

4.  Also, another classy move by a KZOO 'Stinger", flipping the Hope crowd the 'bird' on Saturday.  Another fine example of what a KZOO education will get you.

5.  How about GVW's tongue lashing of Peter Bunn in front of the entire DeVos.  I am sure Peter was majorly motivated after that experience.

6.  Chelsea Mom - congrats to your son on POW, glad to see you back on the forum, however, it is interesting that you disappeared for an extended period last year when your son and Calvin were under performing.  Maybe being 1st in the standings has got you back out and on the board.

7.  Finally, I will start the discussion now, because I am sure we will have this conversation after the season and the all MIAA teams are announced.  Do you think a player who has gone 0-8 and 4-16 in two specific league games and is shooting 35% from the floor and 30% from 3 for the entire season and 33% and 22% in MIAA play can be considered for 1st team status?  Thoughts?

Hope outscored Kzoo at the freethrow line by  22 , so that should please the conspiracy theorists.

35-10 FT discrepancy.  Kzoo finishes with 6 more FG's than Hope.   

I hope that comment about Kalamazoo education was a sarcastic comment, since Kalamazoo is arguably the hardest school in the MIAA.


And give me a break about ChelseaMom. Mantel under-performed?  You do know John Mantel got second team all-miaa last season?  Not many sophomores can say after their sophomore year.  Calvin certainly struggled last year, but I doubt it going 16-12 was the reason that she didn't post.  Is she the type that brags about her son and Calvin on here when Calvin is doing well ?  Obviously not....

[GoKnights68]

The Vegas-Line just came in for Wednesday's Calvin-Hope game.  Calvin is a 3.5 favorite.

[hopehoopfan]

Random Thoughts:


5.  How about GVW's tongue lashing of Peter Bunn in front of the entire DeVos.  I am sure Peter was majorly motivated after that experience.

Did anyone also notice that later in the game when Bowser missed the jam, he was taken out and ushered by GVW around and past the water cooler for what probably wasn't an explanation on how to finish a dunk? (Advice from an assistant to not admonish in front of the crowd, or maybe he rethought his treatment of Bunn).

[sac]

The Vegas-Line just came in for Wednesday's Calvin-Hope game.  Calvin is a 3.5 favorite.

over/under came in at 130.

[sac]

"the desire to call others hypocrites, often masks our own hypocrisy"  ~  unknown


works for arrogant/arrogance as well.