MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[dumezrules]

I think this may have been discussed before, so I apologize for breaking out the dead horse, but someone with more basketball coaching experience than I have, please explain the reasoning behind not guarding the inbounds pass with 1.3 seconds left.  If I am coaching, Mantel or Katt is guarding the inbounds pass, trying to force the ball into the backcourt.  Maybe that's why I am not coaching.... 

Hope got off a horrible guarded shot....therefore it is great coaching...it is harder to score 4 on 5 than 4 on 4 in my experience! 

[dumezrules]

MLive has an article about last night's game with a dandy slide show that highlights the action. It also demonstrates the physical nature of the game. Here's the link:

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2009/02/veltemas_lastsecond_layup_lift.html

Among the photos of interest are one of Veltema chasing down Bowser from behind moments before the already discussed hard foul, and another of Katt's call of the critical timeout as he was falling to the floor with 15 seconds left. It was a terrific play by the former football player from Wisconsin that gave the Knights their opportunity to win. But the picture that captured my attention the most was one at the very top showing Reimink and Katt, seemingly duking it out with one another for position on a rebound. Basketball has long been a physical game, and I know I'm getting old, but I just can't get used to these wrestling matches under the basket. I must compliment these young men who played the game so hard last night, yet they didn't resort to fisticuffs, nor did I detect much in the way of cheap shots being taken. It's amazing to me that we almost never see basketball combatants at the D3 level actually square off and turn a hotly contested game into an ugly and embarrassing incident. Hats off to them all.

What ever happened to the over-the back call on rebounds?  Must be only the NBA anymore...Great game though....all the good players made big plays....Veldhouse, Mantel, Reimink, Bunn....fun to watch and if you didnt care who won....(I did) great entertainment for $8.00 (arent games there normally $6.00??) 

[dumezrules]

MLive has an article about last night's game with a dandy slide show that highlights the action. It also demonstrates the physical nature of the game. Here's the link:

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2009/02/veltemas_lastsecond_layup_lift.html

Among the photos of interest are one of Veltema chasing down Bowser from behind moments before the already discussed hard foul, and another of Katt's call of the critical timeout as he was falling to the floor with 15 seconds left. It was a terrific play by the former football player from Wisconsin that gave the Knights their opportunity to win. But the picture that captured my attention the most was one at the very top showing Reimink and Katt, seemingly duking it out with one another for position on a rebound. Basketball has long been a physical game, and I know I'm getting old, but I just can't get used to these wrestling matches under the basket. I must compliment these young men who played the game so hard last night, yet they didn't resort to fisticuffs, nor did I detect much in the way of cheap shots being taken. It's amazing to me that we almost never see basketball combatants at the D3 level actually square off and turn a hotly contested game into an ugly and embarrassing incident. Hats off to them all.

Great link...I think the last pic. is right after Reimink's missed 3 with 15 s to go....hard to believe Calvin got that ball.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

MLive has an article about last night's game with a dandy slide show that highlights the action. It also demonstrates the physical nature of the game. Here's the link:

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2009/02/veltemas_lastsecond_layup_lift.html

Among the photos of interest are one of Veltema chasing down Bowser from behind moments before the already discussed hard foul, and another of Katt's call of the critical timeout as he was falling to the floor with 15 seconds left. It was a terrific play by the former football player from Wisconsin that gave the Knights their opportunity to win. But the picture that captured my attention the most was one at the very top showing Reimink and Katt, seemingly duking it out with one another for position on a rebound. Basketball has long been a physical game, and I know I'm getting old, but I just can't get used to these wrestling matches under the basket. I must compliment these young men who played the game so hard last night, yet they didn't resort to fisticuffs, nor did I detect much in the way of cheap shots being taken. It's amazing to me that we almost never see basketball combatants at the D3 level actually square off and turn a hotly contested game into an ugly and embarrassing incident. Hats off to them all.

What ever happened to the over-the back call on rebounds?  Must be only the NBA anymore...Great game though....all the good players made big plays....Veldhouse, Mantel, Reimink, Bunn....fun to watch and if you didnt care who won....(I did) great entertainment for $8.00 (arent games there normally $6.00??) 

Actually $5.00, if I heard correctly last night.  Nobody can say the Knights aren't praticing the old supply & demand game. 

[realist]

I am a little surprised that no one commented on Calvin's maintaining their solid lock on the GL region #4 slot.  After last night they go to 10-1, but their owp goes down because they won the game.  Gosh I sure like the logic of that stat.   However, it is offset by the oowp.  Perhaps the NCAA can lend the guys who came up with this system to help the clowns in DC.
The moment I am really waiting for is when our friend Stinger reads some of the comments from some of the fans about Calvin's win last night.  After the Hope-Kzoo game he commented on the disparity in fouls called, and was not treated kindly for it.  I really don't expect he will be very favorably disposed towards the Hope side.

[KnightSlappy]

I am a little surprised that no one commented on Calvin's maintaining their solid lock on the GL region #4 slot.  After last night they go to 10-1, but their owp goes down because they won the game.  Gosh I sure like the logic of that stat.   However, it is offset by the oowp.  Perhaps the NCAA can lend the guys who came up with this system to help the clowns in DC.

Calvin's OWP will go up with the win!  You don't factor in games against yourself so Hope's contribution to Calvin's OWP is 8-2, 0.800, not 8-4, 0.667

According to my quick calculation, Calvin's OWP goes from 0.4307 to 0.4642 after last night's game.

[wiz]

Throw all the stats out there that you want, but there is no doubt in my mind that senior, Caleb Veldhouse, is league MVP.  He shows leadership, takes the ball in clutch situations, and gets the job done.  He makes the big shot when it is needed.  For my Hope friends, you remember his fast start at the DeVos early this year.  Now, later in the year, and suffering through an injury, he steps up big when the game is on the lane.  Makes a terrific 3-pointer with Reimink unsuccessful at stopping him.  Then he takes the ball back with 14 seconds left on the clock and draws a double team and deftly hits an open Veltema for the winner.  Reimink, on the other hand had the opportunity to make the big game-winning shot in both games against Calvin but he failed on both occasions. 

Caleb is the leader of the soon-to-be MIAA champs and as such is most deserving of MVP. 

By the way, nice write up about him on Calvin's website today.
http://www.calvin.edu/sports/news/comments/veldhouse-adds-another-chapter-to-calvin-hope-rivalry/

[almcguirejr]

I think this may have been discussed before, so I apologize for breaking out the dead horse, but someone with more basketball coaching experience than I have, please explain the reasoning behind not guarding the inbounds pass with 1.3 seconds left.  If I am coaching, Mantel or Katt is guarding the inbounds pass, trying to force the ball into the backcourt.  Maybe that's why I am not coaching.... 

Hope got off a horrible guarded shot....therefore it is great coaching...it is harder to score 4 on 5 than 4 on 4 in my experience! 

Bunn had more space than I was comfortable seeing.

[GoKnights68]

What's the updated numbers on the Calvin/Hope all-time series in terms of wins and points?

Hope leads the series 86-85.  Hope is 88 points ahead of Calvin all time.  A seperation of about .52 points a game.

Oops.  I guess Hope leads by 86 points according to wikipedia.

[sac]

Throw all the stats out there that you want, but there is no doubt in my mind that senior, Caleb Veldhouse, is league MVP.  He shows leadership, takes the ball in clutch situations, and gets the job done.  He makes the big shot when it is needed.  For my Hope friends, you remember his fast start at the DeVos early this year.  Now, later in the year, and suffering through an injury, he steps up big when the game is on the lane.  Makes a terrific 3-pointer with Reimink unsuccessful at stopping him.  Then he takes the ball back with 14 seconds left on the clock and draws a double team and deftly hits an open Veltema for the winner.  Reimink, on the other hand had the opportunity to make the big game-winning shot in both games against Calvin but he failed on both occasions. 

Caleb is the leader of the soon-to-be MIAA champs and as such is most deserving of MVP. 

By the way, nice write up about him on Calvin's website today.
http://www.calvin.edu/sports/news/comments/veldhouse-adds-another-chapter-to-calvin-hope-rivalry/

He just went 0-8 on Saturday........now he's MVP?

[almcguirejr]

Throw all the stats out there that you want, but there is no doubt in my mind that senior, Caleb Veldhouse, is league MVP.  He shows leadership, takes the ball in clutch situations, and gets the job done.  He makes the big shot when it is needed.  For my Hope friends, you remember his fast start at the DeVos early this year.  Now, later in the year, and suffering through an injury, he steps up big when the game is on the lane.  Makes a terrific 3-pointer with Reimink unsuccessful at stopping him.  Then he takes the ball back with 14 seconds left on the clock and draws a double team and deftly hits an open Veltema for the winner.  Reimink, on the other hand had the opportunity to make the big game-winning shot in both games against Calvin but he failed on both occasions. 

Caleb is the leader of the soon-to-be MIAA champs and as such is most deserving of MVP. 

By the way, nice write up about him on Calvin's website today.
http://www.calvin.edu/sports/news/comments/veldhouse-adds-another-chapter-to-calvin-hope-rivalry/

You are right about Veldhouse's play against Hope.  Your MVP thoughts I think put you on an island of 1.

[realist]

KS Thanks for the reminder.  I forgot to take that into consideration before I did my calculations.  My real point is owp has flaws in that top ranked, and undefeated teams never get great owp.

[realist]

Throw all the stats out there that you want, but there is no doubt in my mind that senior, Caleb Veldhouse, is league MVP.  He shows leadership, takes the ball in clutch situations, and gets the job done.  He makes the big shot when it is needed.  For my Hope friends, you remember his fast start at the DeVos early this year.  Now, later in the year, and suffering through an injury, he steps up big when the game is on the lane.  Makes a terrific 3-pointer with Reimink unsuccessful at stopping him.  Then he takes the ball back with 14 seconds left on the clock and draws a double team and deftly hits an open Veltema for the winner.  Reimink, on the other hand had the opportunity to make the big game-winning shot in both games against Calvin but he failed on both occasions. 

Caleb is the leader of the soon-to-be MIAA champs and as such is most deserving of MVP. 

By the way, nice write up about him on Calvin's website today.
http://www.calvin.edu/sports/news/comments/veldhouse-adds-another-chapter-to-calvin-hope-rivalry/

He just went 0-8 on Saturday........now he's MVP?

Surely you haven't forgotten that victory is a heady wine.

[section7]

Throw all the stats out there that you want, but there is no doubt in my mind that senior, Caleb Veldhouse, is league MVP.  He shows leadership, takes the ball in clutch situations, and gets the job done.  He makes the big shot when it is needed.  For my Hope friends, you remember his fast start at the DeVos early this year.  Now, later in the year, and suffering through an injury, he steps up big when the game is on the lane.  Makes a terrific 3-pointer with Reimink unsuccessful at stopping him.  Then he takes the ball back with 14 seconds left on the clock and draws a double team and deftly hits an open Veltema for the winner.  Reimink, on the other hand had the opportunity to make the big game-winning shot in both games against Calvin but he failed on both occasions. 

Caleb is the leader of the soon-to-be MIAA champs and as such is most deserving of MVP. 

By the way, nice write up about him on Calvin's website today.
http://www.calvin.edu/sports/news/comments/veldhouse-adds-another-chapter-to-calvin-hope-rivalry/

NO WAY!  Yes, he has made big plays in the Hope Calvin series in his career, but this year he disappeared after the early start of game #1 and missed a huge FT late to give Hope a chance to win.

Last night he is non-existant for the majority of the first half and misses 5 ft's, which again keeps Hope in the game.

Granted, he made a great 3-pointer late and a great pass to win it (by the way, most stars take the shot and miss).

However, Calvin has won this year without him and in some games in spite of him.

The only two candidates who deserve any talk for league MVP are Jesse Reimink and John Mantel.  If either team is without one of those players for an extended time or didn't have them at all, we are talking about a different top 2 teams.

Caleb, unbelievable clutch performer in Hope/Calvin games, yes, MIAA MVP, NO!

[KnightSlappy]

KS Thanks for the reminder.  I forgot to take that into consideration before I did my calculations.  My real point is owp has flaws in that top ranked, and undefeated teams never get great owp.

Last year Amherst was 8 in OWP and 3 in WP.  Wash U had the top OWP (but only a .752 WP).

I would think team WP's would tend to distribute normally so there would be few top ranked teams for other top ranked teams to play.  (ex: Kzoo plays 2 top level teams, Calvin and Hope.  Calvin only plays Hope)

but I know what you mean.