MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Flying Dutch Fan]

OK - very well stated, although I must admit that I chuckled at the duplicity of this statement:

I also happen to think that John's defensive presence is a major factor in his favor. He stops a lot of things from happening without anyone really noticing.

[sac]

OK - very well stated, although I must admit that I chuckled at the duplicity of this statement:

I also happen to think that John's defensive presence is a major factor in his favor. He stops a lot of things from happening without anyone really noticing.

Clever FDF!

[goodknight]

OK - very well stated, although I must admit that I chuckled at the duplicity of this statement:

I also happen to think that John's defensive presence is a major factor in his favor. He stops a lot of things from happening without anyone really noticing.

FDF:
You do know that oldknight is a barrister, don't you?

[CalvinChelseaMom]

There's no question that the first entry pass from the far end baseline was unguarded but if my memory serves me correctly (admittedly a debatable proposition) the second pass from half court--after the foul committed by Dustin Smith--was contested. If anyone taped the game take a look and tell me if I'm right about that.

It's kind of hard to see from the tv highlights (http://www.wxmi.com/pages/sports), but it looks like the second entry pass may not have been guarded. Can't tell if the Calvin player was originally in position and then moved.

I was very proud of Caleb's leadership and big plays last night. Hats off to the entire team and their individual contributions--Katt's big rebound, Caleb's hot hand and great pass to Veltema, Dustin's continued reliability and productivity, Tyler's block, etc. etc.  I feel like I aged an entire year during that game. I don't know how many more of these I can take. Hope is an excellent team. My husband and I were saying we are always impressed with their discipline, patience, and talent. I know it was a heart-breaking loss for them.

I like the feel of the new arena. I've not been in the upper area, but I hear it has great views also. The "Tradition Doesn't Graduate" film was inspiring--well done. I think Tim Katt put that together, but I'm not sure. I agree that TK (Tech Knight) was too short. He's Dutch for heaven's sake! But I liked him. Our 12-year-old thought he was great.

[CalvinChelseaMom]

A positive article about The Rivarly at http://www.doubleazone.com/2009/02/hope_calvin_division_iii_college_basketball_rivalry_matt_veltema.php

[SKOT]

I would like to lodge a complaint against the person running the live stats at calvin last night.  

I was at the Wheaton College Library last night and i saw the following on livestats.  I thought Mr Bunn was fouled while shooting because the rebound initially had 00:01 next to it.  Turns out I was very wrong.

REBOUND (DEF) by (DEADBALL)
00:01    HOPEMBB    MISSED 3 PTR by Peter Bunn
00:01    CALVINM    FOUL by Dustin Smith
00:02    HOPEMBB    TIMEOUT 30sec

[oldknight]

Calvin's website has 173 high quality photos of last night's action for anyone interested. Starting at photo 49 there is a group of 5 that shows the sequence of Veltema's foul on Bowser.  Click below to get the first one and then forward from there to get the rest of the series.

http://www.calvin.edu/gallery/2009-02-11Hope/IMG049_0653

[KnightSlappy]

There's no question that the first entry pass from the far end baseline was unguarded but if my memory serves me correctly (admittedly a debatable proposition) the second pass from half court--after the foul committed by Dustin Smith--was contested. If anyone taped the game take a look and tell me if I'm right about that.

The second pass was also not guarded.

Reimink scores more while Mantel has the edge in rebounding.

Reimink also plays more minutes.  If you went by points per minute, or points per 40 minutes, that gap will close some.

[devossed]

It's kind of hard to see from the tv highlights (http://www.wxmi.com/pages/sports), but it looks like the second entry pass may not have been guarded. Can't tell if the Calvin player was originally in position and then moved.

A few key things stood out for me in those highlights:

1) Caleb really did get quadruple-teamed...kudos to him for making the play.

2) There is no way that Krombeen fouled Mantel on the "and-1" blocking call. He stepped out of the way and didn't really even touch John.

[scottiedawg]

Reimink scores more while Mantel has the edge in rebounding.

Reimink also plays more minutes.  If you went by points per minute, or points per 40 minutes, that gap will close some.

Sure.  Per 40 min stats are fun to calculate.  I'll take the guy that actually plays the minutes over one who boasts the allure of impressive production in limited minutes.

[ziggy]

A few key things stood out for me in those highlights:

2) There is no way that Krombeen fouled Mantel on the "and-1" blocking call. He stepped out of the way and didn't really even touch John.

John made a great adjustment with a slight inside move to keep Krombeen from staying directly infront of him.  If the same contact is made straight on, its probably a no call; a bump from the side will be a foul every time.  As will going for a piggy back ride; even if you throw out your arms like Mr. Moneybags after the call.

The foul situation changed with Hope's changing style of defense.  In my mind, they played tight on the man and were all over the passing lanes.  Then the game tightened up and they changed from pressuring the passing lanes to trying to ride their Knight too closely.  You can say the opposite happened for Calvin.

[CalvinChelseaMom]

Reimink scores more while Mantel has the edge in rebounding.

Reimink also plays more minutes.  If you went by points per minute, or points per 40 minutes, that gap will close some.

Sure.  Per 40 min stats are fun to calculate.  I'll take the guy that actually plays the minutes over one who boasts the allure of impressive production in limited minutes.

I don't think the players (either Reimink or Mantel) are campaigning for themselves for MVP OR boasting about anything. And I wouldn't call 25 minutes/game "limited."

[realist]

Reimink scores more while Mantel has the edge in rebounding.

Reimink also plays more minutes.  If you went by points per minute, or points per 40 minutes, that gap will close some.

Sure.  Per 40 min stats are fun to calculate.  I'll take the guy that actually plays the minutes over one who boasts the allure of impressive production in limited minutes.

According to the Hope.edu site Mr. Reimink is averaging about 32 minutes per game this year.
According to the Calvin.edu site Mr. Mantel is averaging just under 25 minutes per game.
I like Jesse Reimink alot, but I, for one, wouldn't trade Mantel.

I am glad that GVW finds it necessary to play his starters so many minutes against Calvin.  That tells me that GVW really does not have much confidence in all those "talented" recruits (riding the pine) that we hear about every summer and fall.  If Hope has all this  "talent" why don't they get some minutes in the big games?   

[arena]

Reimink scores more while Mantel has the edge in rebounding.

Reimink also plays more minutes.  If you went by points per minute, or points per 40 minutes, that gap will close some.

Sure.  Per 40 min stats are fun to calculate.  I'll take the guy that actually plays the minutes over one who boasts the allure of impressive production in limited minutes.

According to the Hope.edu site Mr. Reimink is averaging about 32 minutes per game this year.
According to the Calvin.edu site Mr. Mantel is averaging just under 25 minutes per game.
I like Jesse Reimink alot, but I, for one, wouldn't trade Mantel.

I am glad that GVW finds it necessary to play his starters so many minutes against Calvin.  That tells me that GVW really does not have much confidence in all those "talented" recruits (riding the pine) that we hear about every summer and fall.  If Hope has all this  "talent" why don't they get some minutes in the big games?   

Good question

[sac]

I would say in more years than not, Hope fans are guilty of overhyping their "talented" bench.  I'm not quite sure I agree that this team was hyped in any way, I think the word 'potential' was used alot.........some has worked out (Bowser, Bunn) some has not.

Peter Bunn carried that 'potential' or 'hype', and I don't see how anyone could say he hasn't lived up to it or exceeded it.  I was hoping for 10 ppg from him, Hope's getting 15 ppg.

Danny Cox, another with the 'potential tag', a pretty sharp JV player, who's game just hasn't transferred to the varsity level the way some had hoped.

Andy Venema carries that 'potential' tag, he's had some good games, some poor games. He looked a little intimidated Wed night.  He's also only a Soph and still learning.

Hope also has 1 kid not on the roster who started there, Doug Sharples, who I would say fit the category of a 'potential' good player and someone right or wrong many Hope fans were counting on contributing.  Kelvin Carter would be the likely backup point guard if it wasn't for his knee injury, another player who probably carried the 'potential' label.

Two others who carried the 'potential' label have gone in different directions, Ty Tanis, who's minutes and production have steadily declined all year, and David Krombeen who now starts and is absolutely considered by most in the Hope camp the engine that makes this team go.


Its kind of funny that you, Realist, is the one bringing this up, since I think if you looked back its actually been you who has talked more about how much talent Hope has than any Hope fan.........and untill about 5 days before the first Hope/Calvin game you seemed to be on board with the Dutchmen winning the MIAA.

I guess I'm not seeing where this particular teams talent has been hyped by anyone.  Talked about, yes, I know the words 'alot of options' has been thrown around...........that doesn't mean they're all good options or that they have worked out.   I know I'll probably get slayed for this again, but I never considered this our year, Hope's building for the next two, by the time all these Soph's are Sr's they'll be a pretty good team.  I'm thrilled to death that this group has been able to compete in the MIAA race as well as they have, I didn't see that happening, and I'm not sure very many Hope fans saw that happening.


This quote is quite funny................

I am glad that GVW finds it necessary to play his starters so many minutes against Calvin.  That tells me that GVW really does not have much confidence in all those "talented" recruits (riding the pine) that we hear about every summer and fall.  If Hope has all this  "talent" why don't they get some minutes in the big games?   

You do realize the two most prized recruits from last spring/summer are starting