MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

ps, the refs are not required to give the HC any warnings for stepping out of the coaching box.

Even if that's true, it's common practice to warn coaches before giving them a technical for something like that.  Yeah, there are coaches boxes for a reason, but sometimes, the practicalities of the situation sort of require a coach to get out on the floor a bit further.  I wasn't at the game on Wednesday, and I can't speak to that situation, but I can tell you I've seen many coaches out on the floor outside of the coach's box during games.  Just watch Izzo during any Michigan State game.

Or KVS at Albion...       

On the other side of that, Jodi May  appears to be a stickler for the coaches box.........he almost becomes a mime in a box when he reaches the line.

Perhaps he hasn't earned his wings yet among the MIAA coaching ranks.

[bulldogalum]

Yeah, Jody doesn't yet seem comfortable wandering out of the coaches box.  More experienced coaches tend to treat the coaches box more as a recommendation than anything.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Yeah, Jody doesn't yet seem comfortable wandering out of the coaches box.  More experienced coaches tend to treat the coaches box more as a recommendation than anything.

I think they see it kind of like a yellow light or a speed limit sign

[BogeyMan]

Or, maybe Jody (not Jodi) has a little more respect for the intent of the coaching box rule.  Regardless of what the rule book says, a flagrant violation of any rule doesn't warrant a warning.  I don't get a warning when I am going 75 mph in a 35 zone.  I may get a warning going 45 mph in a 35 mph zone.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Or, maybe Jody (not Jodi) has a little more respect for the intent of the coaching box rule.  Regardless of what the rule book says, a flagrant violation of any rule doesn't warrant a warning.  I don't get a warning when I am going 75 mph in a 35 zone.  I may get a warning going 45 mph in a 35 mph zone.

In my mind, the kind of "stretching" of the coaching box I see across the MIAA is equivalent to the "going 45 in a 35".  I haven't seen anyone even approach the "75 in a 35" realm.  That's Bobby Knight's domain

[BogeyMan]

Let me go a little further on my previous post.  I don't believe officials give many T's for being outside the coaching box.  I believe the T's that are given when outside the box are those for what the coach said or did when outside.  Swearing, call the official a name, showing the official up, or any other unsportsmanlike act or words are all deserving of technicals inside or outside the box.  It is what is said or done when outside the box that is of the most concern to the officials.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Let me go a little further on my previous post.  I don't believe officials give many T's for being outside the coaching box.  I believe the T's that are given when outside the box are those for what the coach said or did when outside.  Swearing, call the official a name, showing the official up, or any other unsportsmanlike act or words are all deserving of technicals inside or outside the box.  It is what is said or done when outside the box that is of the most concern to the officials.

Absolutely agree

[oldknight]

almcguirejr-Its been a long time, nice to know that youre still around and looking out for me. ps, the refs are not required to give the HC any warnings for stepping out of the coaching box.

Here's a copy of the rule book.  Appendix III p144:

http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Basketball_Rules_2008-09fb2fc956-7592-4877-993e-dae20a6f90ed.pdf

For the record I would have no problem with a technical foul being called in that situation.

A tip of the hat to al for finding the appropriate rulebook section defining coaching box decorum. A review of the rule would seem to indicate that it only applies when the ball is in play and not when there is a dead ball situation (i.e., after the whistle has blown--see Rule 6, Section 5, Article 1d, at p. 104). Thus when Glenn, or any other coach, reacts to a call with displeasure by coming out on the court to register his complaint after the ball has become dead, that fact alone (absent unsportsmanlike or egregious conduct or language) does not seem to put the rule's sanctions into effect. This is only common sense because the point of the rule is to avoid the problem of having coaches potentially interfere with play. If the coaching box rule did apply to dead ball situations, then it would be a violation for any team to move their chairs on to the floor during a timeout, something many teams do. It also should be noted that the rule states that the first coaching box violation only results in a warning; on a second violation a technical shall be assessed "when a coach is clearly and completely outside his/her box." I found it interesting that the rule also states that "All bench personnel, with the exception of the head coach, are required to be seated on the bench while the ball is live except to react spontaneously to an outstanding play and then to immediately return to sitting on the bench."

[goodknight]

almcguirejr-Its been a long time, nice to know that youre still around and looking out for me. ps, the refs are not required to give the HC any warnings for stepping out of the coaching box.

Here's a copy of the rule book.  Appendix III p144:

http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Basketball_Rules_2008-09fb2fc956-7592-4877-993e-dae20a6f90ed.pdf

For the record I would have no problem with a technical foul being called in that situation.

A tip of the hat to al for finding the appropriate rulebook section defining coaching box decorum. A review of the rule would seem to indicate that it only applies when the ball is in play and not when there is a dead ball situation (i.e., after the whistle has blown--see Rule 6, Section 5, Article 1d, at p. 104). Thus when Glenn, or any other coach, reacts to a call with displeasure by coming out on the court to register his complaint after the ball has become dead, that fact alone (i.e., absent unsportsmanlike or egregious conduct or language) does not seem to put the rule's sanctions into effect. This is only common sense because the point of the rule is to avoid the problem of having coaches potentially interfere with play. If the coaching box rule did apply to dead ball situations, then it would be a violation for any team to move their chairs on to the floor during a timeout, something many teams do. It also should be noted that the rule states that the first coaching box violation only results in a warning; on a second violation a technical shall be assessed "when a coach is clearly and completely outside his/her box." I found it interesting that the rule also states that "All bench personnel, with the exception of the head coach, are required to be seated on the bench while the ball is live except to react spontaneously to an outstanding play and then to immediately return to sitting on the bench."

Does the rule book have anything to say about a non-HC who habitually reacts to unfavorable calls by walking on to the playing surface and derisively applauding the official?  Just curious.

[wiz]

Does the rule book have anything to say about a non-HC who habitually reacts to unfavorable calls by walking on to the playing surface and derisively applauding the official?  Just curious.

I don't think that's in the rule book.  But, I did a google search and it referred me to "buffoon" and "jackass".  Hope that's helpful.  Who are we talking about anyway?

[goodknight]

Does the rule book have anything to say about a non-HC who habitually reacts to unfavorable calls by walking on to the playing surface and derisively applauding the official?  Just curious.

I don't think that's in the rule book.  But, I did a google search and it referred me to "buffoon" and "jackass".  Hope that's helpful.  Who are we talking about anyway?

Purely hypothetical.

[sac]

3 Things to look for today

1)  Does Hope play with the same emotion and intensity they've been playing with now that the MIAA race is all but over for them?   Dangerous times.

2)  Can Olivet salvage anything from their recent slide?

3)  Can I find my car keys?  ........so that I can see the answer to #1

[goodknight]

Re: Olivet
I had breakfast with a college referee yesterday who is of the firm opinion that Olivet has the best talent of any MIAA team, but has problems in a few other critical areas.

[almcguirejr]

Olivet up 36-35 at the half

Olivet on a 19-4 run over the last 9 minutes of the half.
Calvin with 7 turnovers in that 9 minute span

Mantel very limited PT because he picked up 2 fouls early

[Knight In The Stan]

65-59 Calvin with 2:42 to play