MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[dumezrules]

Team capsules:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x617077414/NCAA-Division-III-Tournament-Mens-capsules

I found it hard to believe this is UW Platteville's first trip to the NCAA's since 1998 like the "capsule" states.  Probably because UWP won the 1999 National Championship.

During the 90's they were a fixture in March, they made the tournament every year from 91-99 and bost an unbelievable 30-5 tournament record with 4 National Championships.  1991, 1995, 1998, 1999

It's not every day you can hear the "where's your banners" chant two straight games.

"Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap,   clap,clap,clap> "Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap  clap,clap,clap "Where is Calvin?"

Rooting for Plattville.  clap, clap,    clap, clap, clap!

Gettin' sick of rooting for other teams to end Hope's season yet? 

[miaafan2]

Team capsules:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x617077414/NCAA-Division-III-Tournament-Mens-capsules

I found it hard to believe this is UW Platteville's first trip to the NCAA's since 1998 like the "capsule" states.  Probably because UWP won the 1999 National Championship.

During the 90's they were a fixture in March, they made the tournament every year from 91-99 and bost an unbelievable 30-5 tournament record with 4 National Championships.  1991, 1995, 1998, 1999

It's not every day you can hear the "where's your banners" chant two straight games.

"Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap,   clap,clap,clap> "Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap  clap,clap,clap "Where is Calvin?"

Rooting for Plattville.  clap, clap,    clap, clap, clap!

Gettin' sick of rooting for other teams to end Hope's season yet? 

For those of us who are neither Hope or Calvin fans, could we please give "the rivalry" a rest?  While I'm as competitive as anyone, it is after all only a basketball game!

Going a step further, do Hope and Calvin fans take their witness seriously?  Do they think that their conduct during basketball games has no effect on their witness?  Is it just "innocent" fun when a fan trips or tackles a fan from the other school?  How about throwing items onto the court after the other team wins the championship?  What about adult fans who yell (and swear and threaten) fans from the other team?  As a Christian, I am disgusted at the witness of both Hope and Calvin from this past weekend...

[wiz]

Team capsules:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x617077414/NCAA-Division-III-Tournament-Mens-capsules

I found it hard to believe this is UW Platteville's first trip to the NCAA's since 1998 like the "capsule" states.  Probably because UWP won the 1999 National Championship.

During the 90's they were a fixture in March, they made the tournament every year from 91-99 and bost an unbelievable 30-5 tournament record with 4 National Championships.  1991, 1995, 1998, 1999

It's not every day you can hear the "where's your banners" chant two straight games.

"Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap,   clap,clap,clap> "Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap  clap,clap,clap "Where is Calvin?"

Rooting for Plattville.  clap, clap,    clap, clap, clap!

Gettin' sick of rooting for other teams to end Hope's season yet? 

You guys are something else.  Want to be a part of the biggest rivalry and stuff ballots to make it happen but want all the talk and favoritism to be one-sided.  You sound like an Obama democrat, believe in free speech unless it's somehting you don't want to hear.

[ziggy]

Team capsules:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x617077414/NCAA-Division-III-Tournament-Mens-capsules

I found it hard to believe this is UW Platteville's first trip to the NCAA's since 1998 like the "capsule" states.  Probably because UWP won the 1999 National Championship.

During the 90's they were a fixture in March, they made the tournament every year from 91-99 and bost an unbelievable 30-5 tournament record with 4 National Championships.  1991, 1995, 1998, 1999

It's not every day you can hear the "where's your banners" chant two straight games.

"Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap,   clap,clap,clap> "Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap  clap,clap,clap "Where is Calvin?"

Rooting for Plattville.  clap, clap,    clap, clap, clap!

Gettin' sick of rooting for other teams to end Hope's season yet? 

You guys are something else.  Want to be a part of the biggest rivalry and stuff ballots to make it happen but want all the talk and favoritism to be one-sided.  You sound like an Obama democrat, believe in free speech unless it's somehting you don't want to hear.

But they love deez Hopes

[miaafan2]

Team capsules:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x617077414/NCAA-Division-III-Tournament-Mens-capsules

I found it hard to believe this is UW Platteville's first trip to the NCAA's since 1998 like the "capsule" states.  Probably because UWP won the 1999 National Championship.

During the 90's they were a fixture in March, they made the tournament every year from 91-99 and bost an unbelievable 30-5 tournament record with 4 National Championships.  1991, 1995, 1998, 1999

It's not every day you can hear the "where's your banners" chant two straight games.

"Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap,   clap,clap,clap> "Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap  clap,clap,clap "Where is Calvin?"

Rooting for Plattville.  clap, clap,    clap, clap, clap!

Gettin' sick of rooting for other teams to end Hope's season yet? 

You guys are something else.  Want to be a part of the biggest rivalry and stuff ballots to make it happen but want all the talk and favoritism to be one-sided.  You sound like an Obama democrat, believe in free speech unless it's somehting you don't want to hear.

But they love deez Hopes

and they love deez Calvins

[wiz]

For those of us who are neither Hope or Calvin fans, could we please give "the rivalry" a rest?  While I'm as competitive as anyone, it is after all only a basketball game!

Going a step further, do Hope and Calvin fans take their witness seriously?  Do they think that their conduct during basketball games has no effect on their witness?  Is it just "innocent" fun when a fan trips or tackles a fan from the other school?  How about throwing items onto the court after the other team wins the championship?  What about adult fans who yell (and swear and threaten) fans from the other team?  As a Christian, I am disgusted at the witness of both Hope and Calvin from this past weekend...

You are a Hope fan, evne though you try to disguise it because it is only fair to be neutral and support all teams, blah, blah, blah.  I wouldn't be surprised if you are a retired minister or professor.

In a previous post, you wrote, I've had the experience over the last few years that while I enjoy competition as much as anyone, once the athletic contest is over, it is over.  My self esteem is not changed by whether "my" team won or lost, and I certainly hope that none of the player's self esteem has been changed, at least in the long run.


Well, I believe in the rivalry and, like you, I too am so worried about self-esteem that I really feel for those Platteville players that might be looking at this site and read how we're all ganging up on them and coming together for Hope to send these poor cheese-heads to the depths of defeat and despair.  What kind of witness might that be?  So, I guess I'll just have to support UWP this time around.

[bulldogalum]

For those of us who are neither Hope or Calvin fans, could we please give "the rivalry" a rest?  While I'm as competitive as anyone, it is after all only a basketball game!

Going a step further, do Hope and Calvin fans take their witness seriously?  Do they think that their conduct during basketball games has no effect on their witness?  Is it just "innocent" fun when a fan trips or tackles a fan from the other school?  How about throwing items onto the court after the other team wins the championship?  What about adult fans who yell (and swear and threaten) fans from the other team?  As a Christian, I am disgusted at the witness of both Hope and Calvin from this past weekend...

You are a Hope fan, evne though you try to disguise it because it is only fair to be neutral and support all teams, blah, blah, blah.  I wouldn't be surprised if you are a retired minister or professor.

In a previous post, you wrote, I've had the experience over the last few years that while I enjoy competition as much as anyone, once the athletic contest is over, it is over.  My self esteem is not changed by whether "my" team won or lost, and I certainly hope that none of the player's self esteem has been changed, at least in the long run.


Well, I believe in the rivalry and, like you, I too am so worried about self-esteem that I really feel for those Platteville players that might be looking at this site and read how we're all ganging up on them and coming together for Hope to send these poor cheese-heads to the depths of defeat and despair.  What kind of witness might that be?  So, I guess I'll just have to support UWP this time around.

Do whatever you feel you need to do, wiz, but realize that any Hope win at this point makes the MIAA look better.  I don't root for Hope very often, but when they're representing our conference in the postseason, I'll make an exception.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

If my math is correct. Jesse Reimink will go into Friday's game with 533 career rebounds. This puts him 5th all-time in the MIAA, behind Willie Dawkins of Alma (551) but well ahead of Craig Vossekuil of Kalamazoo (441). He is still far behind Floyd Brady's all-time Hope (and league) record of 648.  Jesse, Travis DePree, and Jeremy Veenstra are the only players of this decade in the top ten. He is Hope's 27th league MVP, 6 ahead of Calvin.

Amazingly, those rebounding records are for conference games only.  Jesse has 274 career conference rebounds.  For all games I have him with a current total of 590

[HopeConvert]

If my math is correct. Jesse Reimink will go into Friday's game with 533 career rebounds. This puts him 5th all-time in the MIAA, behind Willie Dawkins of Alma (551) but well ahead of Craig Vossekuil of Kalamazoo (441). He is still far behind Floyd Brady's all-time Hope (and league) record of 648.  Jesse, Travis DePree, and Jeremy Veenstra are the only players of this decade in the top ten. He is Hope's 27th league MVP, 6 ahead of Calvin.

Amazingly, those rebounding records are for conference games only.  Jesse has 274 career conference rebounds.  For all games I have him with a current total of 590

That makes sense. Thanks for the correction.

[miaafan2]

For those of us who are neither Hope or Calvin fans, could we please give "the rivalry" a rest?  While I'm as competitive as anyone, it is after all only a basketball game!

Going a step further, do Hope and Calvin fans take their witness seriously?  Do they think that their conduct during basketball games has no effect on their witness?  Is it just "innocent" fun when a fan trips or tackles a fan from the other school?  How about throwing items onto the court after the other team wins the championship?  What about adult fans who yell (and swear and threaten) fans from the other team?  As a Christian, I am disgusted at the witness of both Hope and Calvin from this past weekend...

You are a Hope fan, evne though you try to disguise it because it is only fair to be neutral and support all teams, blah, blah, blah.  I wouldn't be surprised if you are a retired minister or professor.

In a previous post, you wrote, I've had the experience over the last few years that while I enjoy competition as much as anyone, once the athletic contest is over, it is over.  My self esteem is not changed by whether "my" team won or lost, and I certainly hope that none of the player's self esteem has been changed, at least in the long run.


Well, I believe in the rivalry and, like you, I too am so worried about self-esteem that I really feel for those Platteville players that might be looking at this site and read how we're all ganging up on them and coming together for Hope to send these poor cheese-heads to the depths of defeat and despair.  What kind of witness might that be?  So, I guess I'll just have to support UWP this time around.

I'll take it as a compliment about being either a retired pastor or professor.  The truth is that I'm neither.  The truth is that year by year, I become less and less of a basketball fan because of the behavior of Calvin and Hope fans, especially when they play against each other.  Perhaps this is a good thing - life is certainly much bigger than basketball.

[HopeConvert]

For those of us who are neither Hope or Calvin fans, could we please give "the rivalry" a rest?  While I'm as competitive as anyone, it is after all only a basketball game!

Going a step further, do Hope and Calvin fans take their witness seriously?  Do they think that their conduct during basketball games has no effect on their witness?  Is it just "innocent" fun when a fan trips or tackles a fan from the other school?  How about throwing items onto the court after the other team wins the championship?  What about adult fans who yell (and swear and threaten) fans from the other team?  As a Christian, I am disgusted at the witness of both Hope and Calvin from this past weekend...

You are a Hope fan, evne though you try to disguise it because it is only fair to be neutral and support all teams, blah, blah, blah.  I wouldn't be surprised if you are a retired minister or professor.

In a previous post, you wrote, I've had the experience over the last few years that while I enjoy competition as much as anyone, once the athletic contest is over, it is over.  My self esteem is not changed by whether "my" team won or lost, and I certainly hope that none of the player's self esteem has been changed, at least in the long run.


Well, I believe in the rivalry and, like you, I too am so worried about self-esteem that I really feel for those Platteville players that might be looking at this site and read how we're all ganging up on them and coming together for Hope to send these poor cheese-heads to the depths of defeat and despair.  What kind of witness might that be?  So, I guess I'll just have to support UWP this time around.

I'll take it as a compliment about being either a retired pastor or professor.  The truth is that I'm neither.  The truth is that year by year, I become less and less of a basketball fan because of the behavior of Calvin and Hope fans, especially when they play against each other.  Perhaps this is a good thing - life is certainly much bigger than basketball.

I've been trying to stay on the sidelines on this back and forth, but I would like us to remember what pointlem said a few pages back: 99% of the adherents in this rivalry conduct themselves with class and grace. It's amazing how much good will there is in a rivalry this intense. Through this board I have met Calvin posters who have provided me with wonderful conversation and companionship - as well as some fun golf. Our student sections may occasionally cross a line, but at least everyone involved recognizes there are lines to be crossed (you paying attention Duke?). We are intense during the game and friendly after. I sit next to my best friend during the games, and he happens to teach at Calvin, and it has not diminished our friendship in any way, even though I cheer loudly and lustily for Hope. We are two schools divided by a mutual tradition, but ultimately bound together much more by what unites us than separated by what divides us. The Hope/Calvin games are a great atmosphere, intensely played and usually at a high level, and generally done with fine sportsmanship. They make me more of a basketball fan. Part of the attraction of any game is the subordination and loss of the self, and the rivalry game provides a wonderful, if vicarious, opportunity to do so.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

HC - well said!!  There's no doubt that the rivalry can unfortunately bring out the bad in some folks (on both sides), yet I have witnessed numerous times a fan from one team sincerely congratulating the opposing teams players on a good game, season, or career.

I often think back to a discussion I had with the AD at Aurora a few years back, following the Hope/Calvin game held there in the second round of the NCAAs.  Knowing that this was a "rivalry", Aurora prepared by brining in extra security and police.  The AD shared with me after the game, that while we were all fierce in our support of our own team, it looked like a "family reunion" afterwords, and he could have saved money on security. 

His use of that term (family reunion) hits the nail on the head for me.  If I go to a family reunion and we play anything (cards, volleyball, lawn darts, tiddly winks, whatever) it is guaranteed to be an extremely fierce competition, often ending with someone upset over loosing, arguing over some rule, or something similar.  Yet when we are done playing, we all sit down, eat together, drink together, and love each other.

[dumezrules]

Team capsules:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x617077414/NCAA-Division-III-Tournament-Mens-capsules

I found it hard to believe this is UW Platteville's first trip to the NCAA's since 1998 like the "capsule" states.  Probably because UWP won the 1999 National Championship.

During the 90's they were a fixture in March, they made the tournament every year from 91-99 and bost an unbelievable 30-5 tournament record with 4 National Championships.  1991, 1995, 1998, 1999

It's not every day you can hear the "where's your banners" chant two straight games.

"Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap,   clap,clap,clap> "Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap  clap,clap,clap "Where is Calvin?"

Rooting for Plattville.  clap, clap,    clap, clap, clap!

Gettin' sick of rooting for other teams to end Hope's season yet? 

You guys are something else.  Want to be a part of the biggest rivalry and stuff ballots to make it happen but want all the talk and favoritism to be one-sided.  You sound like an Obama democrat, believe in free speech unless it's somehting you don't want to hear.

Isnt being part of a rivalry involve needling the other side when things dont go their way?  When U of M  loses to my MSU team, I am all over my UM family....some of y'all need to relax a bit.  I believe totally in free speech except when it is demeaning to others.  Dont think any of the above quotes fit the demeaning category....

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Those two guys are Calvin students who some may say are the 'cause' of the "incident," others argue it was the Hope kid running in front of the Calvin section...   

You've got to be kidding me! The behavior of the Calvin students is not excused because someone was running by them.

[realist]

Someone please post the dead horse

As a Calvin fan I trust the administration there will address the issue of fan behavior in such a manner that it will satisfy all sides.  If Hope needed to address issues of fan behavior I have the same level of confidence they would do what needs to be done.

I was sad to see Calvin's season come to an end,  However, the Hope coaches, and players did everything they needed to do to make their season continue.  Great job, and good luck going forward.

As a fan of Calvin, and the MIAA I stand to gain more by any success the Hope team might have than I would by their failure.  Not to support the MIAA representative strikes me as petty or worse.