MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

BTW, Mark Veenstra and Willie Dawkins both played between 73-77, not 70-74 as you mention. Dawkins was one of the most impressive basketball athletes ever in the MIAA. He was usually listed 6'3" or 6'4" but that was only if you counted the 'fro he sported. He was a muscular 6'2". I was speaking this year to a Calvin hoopster and a competitor of Willie who assured me that Dawkins could actually touch the rim with his hair. Even granting him two inches of 'fro, that's amazing.

Thats quoted straight from the MIAA website, I'm finding more and more stuff like that every year.

[ziggy]

Team capsules:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x617077414/NCAA-Division-III-Tournament-Mens-capsules

I found it hard to believe this is UW Platteville's first trip to the NCAA's since 1998 like the "capsule" states.  Probably because UWP won the 1999 National Championship.

During the 90's they were a fixture in March, they made the tournament every year from 91-99 and bost an unbelievable 30-5 tournament record with 4 National Championships.  1991, 1995, 1998, 1999

It's not every day you can hear the "where's your banners" chant two straight games.

"Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap,   clap,clap,clap> "Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap  clap,clap,clap "Where is Calvin?"

Classy, Sac.

Calvin will still have the 2009 MIAA Champions trophy in their trophy case back in GR.

Did Calvin have bragging rights over Hope in 2004?

Calvin romping Adrian at the Civic Center; a classic MIAA final.

[KnightSlappy]

When it comes to rooting for Hope, I find myself in bulldogalum's camp. If Hope is the conference representative, I want them to win, though I'll admit, I wouldn't let a Hope loss ruin my weekend. I assume most Hope fans have similar feelings when the shoe is on the other foot.

As long as they don't end up with one of those banners, Hope can win as much as they want as far as i'm concerned.

Yes, Albion made a Final Four appearance back in '78 when it had the great John Nibert, and it's made the league more of a three-team affair in this decade on a few occasions. But other than that -- and that's a quarter-century of Albion being just another MIAA also-ran, incidentally -- it's been unrelentingly Hope and Calvin.

The '05 Albion team was an Elite Eight team (knocked out by MIAA Calvin).  Not too shabby there for the Brits.

[GoKnights68]

Team capsules:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x617077414/NCAA-Division-III-Tournament-Mens-capsules

I found it hard to believe this is UW Platteville's first trip to the NCAA's since 1998 like the "capsule" states.  Probably because UWP won the 1999 National Championship.

During the 90's they were a fixture in March, they made the tournament every year from 91-99 and bost an unbelievable 30-5 tournament record with 4 National Championships.  1991, 1995, 1998, 1999

It's not every day you can hear the "where's your banners" chant two straight games.

"Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap,   clap,clap,clap> "Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap  clap,clap,clap "Where is Calvin?"

Classy, Sac.

Calvin will still have the 2009 MIAA Champions trophy in their trophy case back in GR.

Did Calvin have bragging rights over Hope in 2004?

Calvin romping Adrian at the Civic Center; a classic MIAA final.

2004 was the first time since this 2009 season that the MIAA regular season champion was not in the national tourney.*  

*Hope last season of course did not need to be invited as they won the conference tourney as well...

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[sac]

Team capsules:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x617077414/NCAA-Division-III-Tournament-Mens-capsules

I found it hard to believe this is UW Platteville's first trip to the NCAA's since 1998 like the "capsule" states.  Probably because UWP won the 1999 National Championship.

During the 90's they were a fixture in March, they made the tournament every year from 91-99 and bost an unbelievable 30-5 tournament record with 4 National Championships.  1991, 1995, 1998, 1999

It's not every day you can hear the "where's your banners" chant two straight games.

"Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap,   clap,clap,clap> "Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap  clap,clap,clap "Where is Calvin?"

Classy, Sac.

Calvin will still have the 2009 MIAA Champions trophy in their trophy case back in GR.

Did Calvin have bragging rights over Hope in 2004?

Calvin romping Adrian at the Civic Center; a classic MIAA final.

Before this season, 2004 was the first time the MIAA regular season champion was not invited to the tourney.*  

*Hope last season of course did not need to be invited as they won the conference tourney as well...

1999 Calvin and Hope tied for the regular season crown...........Defiance won the MIAA Tournament and was the lone MIAA representative in the NCAA's

[GoKnights68]

Team capsules:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x617077414/NCAA-Division-III-Tournament-Mens-capsules

I found it hard to believe this is UW Platteville's first trip to the NCAA's since 1998 like the "capsule" states.  Probably because UWP won the 1999 National Championship.

During the 90's they were a fixture in March, they made the tournament every year from 91-99 and bost an unbelievable 30-5 tournament record with 4 National Championships.  1991, 1995, 1998, 1999

It's not every day you can hear the "where's your banners" chant two straight games.

"Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap,   clap,clap,clap> "Where is Calvin?" <clap, clap  clap,clap,clap "Where is Calvin?"

Classy, Sac.

Calvin will still have the 2009 MIAA Champions trophy in their trophy case back in GR.

Did Calvin have bragging rights over Hope in 2004?

Calvin romping Adrian at the Civic Center; a classic MIAA final.

Before this season, 2004 was the first time the MIAA regular season champion was not invited to the tourney.*  

*Hope last season of course did not need to be invited as they won the conference tourney as well...

1999 Calvin and Hope tied for the regular season crown...........Defiance won the MIAA Tournament and was the lone MIAA representative in the NCAA's

Crap, I wrote what I meant to say out wrong.  I meant say this year was the first time SINCE 2004 that the regular season champ was not in the national tourney.

[calvin_grad]

I'd agree with GS here. I have always found it very difficult to root for Calvin in the post season. I tend to believe that it doesn't matter if either Hope or Calvin doing well in the NCAA tournament when it comes to a national reputation for the MIAA. I think outside the diehards who know that Albion has been a pretty solid program this decade no one outside Michigan thinks of MIAA basketball as much more than Hope, Calvin, and 6 other teams. If the MIAA collective "we" wants to see the MIAA's reputation improve I think you need to hope some school other than Hope or Calvin develops a record of consistent success, which means winning the MIAA every few years and making the NCAA tourney picture as a Pool C pretty regularly.

+k if I could give it, CHN.  I feel the same way.  Honestly, as a Calvin fan, I find it difficult to root for Hope.  I'm not going to root for UWP, I'm not rooting for Hope.  My favorite team and alma mater is out - I couldn't care less what happens the rest of the way until the NC game.  I will agree with KnightSlappy.  If Hope gets to that game, I'm rooting for the other team.

The whole line about "I'm rooting for Hope because it helps or boosts the league" makes no sense to me for the exact reasons that GS stated.  How does it help exactly?  Someone else besides Calvin and Hope needs to consistently get to the tourney to boost the view of the MIAA, IMHO.

[GoKnights68]

Have a safe trip, Hope fans, for those of you that are making the trip down to Wheaton tomorrow.  I was at the place for the 2005 tourney.  Although the arena is somewhat small, it is a pretty nice venue, and has a nice atmosphere to it.  It reminds me of a new high school gym.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Have a safe trip, Hope fans, for those of you that are making the trip down to Wheaton tomorrow.  I was at the place for the 2005 tourney.  Although the arena is somewhat small, it is a pretty nice venue, and has a nice atmosphere to it.  It reminds me of a new high school gym.

That's a good description of Wheaton's arena. The rest of their athletic facility is very nice though. The weight and cardio room is great. I won't be there but last time I was there I don't remember ample parking lot space real close to the gym.

[Gregory Sager]

The '05 Albion team was an Elite Eight team (knocked out by MIAA Calvin).  Not too shabby there for the Brits.

Again, though, that's only a pebble dropped in the very big Hope/Calvin pond that is the MIAA's postseason legacy.

Have a safe trip, Hope fans, for those of you that are making the trip down to Wheaton tomorrow.  I was at the place for the 2005 tourney.  Although the arena is somewhat small, it is a pretty nice venue, and has a nice atmosphere to it.  It reminds me of a new high school gym.

That's a good description of Wheaton's arena.

I don't think that a lot of you Hope and Calvin folks have a very good idea of how the rest of D3 lives. Wheaton's gym is not small by D3 standards. In fact, the seating capacity of King Arena (2,600) is well above the norm for D3.

[NW Hope Fan]

  I will agree with oldknight.  If Hope gets to that game, I'm rooting for the other team.

Where did he say that? I think the "root for the other team" came from other less mature Calvin fans (and stinger  ).

I get the whole "don't root for" idea, but to actually root against??? Grow up and ask Jesus to help you get the HATE out of your heart!

I remember sitting in a CRC church ( ) with a mixed group of friends (Hope and Calvin alumni) listening to the last Calvin National Championship on the radio. It was exciting, and I don't think there was a Hope person in the group that was bummed that Calvin won. We all cheered, and had a nice little CRC/RCA love fest.

[KnightSlappy]

The '05 Albion team was an Elite Eight team (knocked out by MIAA Calvin).  Not too shabby there for the Brits.

Again, though, that's only a pebble dropped in the very big Hope/Calvin pond that is the MIAA's postseason legacy.

How many other conferences can boast 3 separate Elite Eight schools and 2 Final Four schools in the past 5 years?

[wiz]

I'd agree with GS here. I have always found it very difficult to root for Calvin in the post season. I tend to believe that it doesn't matter if either Hope or Calvin doing well in the NCAA tournament when it comes to a national reputation for the MIAA. I think outside the diehards who know that Albion has been a pretty solid program this decade no one outside Michigan thinks of MIAA basketball as much more than Hope, Calvin, and 6 other teams. If the MIAA collective "we" wants to see the MIAA's reputation improve I think you need to hope some school other than Hope or Calvin develops a record of consistent success, which means winning the MIAA every few years and making the NCAA tourney picture as a Pool C pretty regularly.

Thanks for the honest post.  You find it difficult to root for Calvin in the post season and I find it difficult to root for Hope.  We're in agreement.  

I have been watching Calvin and Hope games since the 60's and have enjoyed the rivalry very much.  I have congratulated players and coaches from both teams when they have won.  I don't condone tripping a college student running around with a flag, throwing bottles into a crowd of celebrating students, or stealing flags from 3 year olds running around the gym.  But, I have never rooted for Hope and am quite certain I never will.  One year I did wish they would beat Albion but it turned my stomach to do so.  Fortunately, Albion won that game so I don't have to live with all the disgusting guilt it could have caused.  It is fine if you feel the same way about Calvin and the honesty is appreciated.

Hope might win one game in the post season but it is doubtful they will win two.  And, the next day, will no longer have any significance.  The same would be true of Calvin or any other MIAA team.  A championship would be the trump card and provide some signicance for the school and the league.

I am a partisan Calvin fan and it isn't going to change.

[arena]

I'd agree with GS here. I have always found it very difficult to root for Calvin in the post season. I tend to believe that it doesn't matter if either Hope or Calvin doing well in the NCAA tournament when it comes to a national reputation for the MIAA. I think outside the diehards who know that Albion has been a pretty solid program this decade no one outside Michigan thinks of MIAA basketball as much more than Hope, Calvin, and 6 other teams. If the MIAA collective "we" wants to see the MIAA's reputation improve I think you need to hope some school other than Hope or Calvin develops a record of consistent success, which means winning the MIAA every few years and making the NCAA tourney picture as a Pool C pretty regularly.

Thanks for the honest post.  You find it difficult to root for Calvin in the post season and I find it difficult to root for Hope.  We're in agreement.  

I have been watching Calvin and Hope games since the 60's and have enjoyed the rivalry very much.  I have congratulated players and coaches from both teams when they have won.  I don't condone tripping a college student running around with a flag, throwing bottles into a crowd of celebrating students, or stealing flags from 3 year olds running around the gym.  But, I have never rooted for Hope and am quite certain I never will.  One year I did wish they would beat Albion but it turned my stomach to do so.  Fortunately, Albion won that game so I don't have to live with all the disgusting guilt it could have caused.  It is fine if you feel the same way about Calvin and the honesty is appreciated.

Hope might win one game in the post season but it is doubtful they will win two.  And, the next day, will no longer have any significance.  The same would be true of Calvin or any other MIAA team.  A championship would be the trump card and provide some signicance for the school and the league.

I am a partisan Calvin fan and it isn't going to change.

Hear, Hear.  I won't apologize for not rooting for Hope, ever.  Partisan forever.  Much like Rush hoping for Obama's policies to fail, I won't root for Hope.

[oldknight]

 
One year I did wish they would beat Albion but it turned my stomach to do so.  Fortunately, Albion won that game so I don't have to live with all the disgusting guilt it could have caused.  

Not living with disgusting guilt! So how long have you been an apostate of Calvinism?