MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[tniem]

Quoting Sac: "I forget who, and it doesn't matter, made the comment Hope got dominated on the boards........what boards?  14 missed shots doesn't produce alot of opportunities to get rebounds."

The box score shows Hope had 9 offensive, and 11 defensive rebounds for a total of  20 rebounds.
UWP had 6 offensive, and 26 defensive rebounds for a total of 32 rebounds. 

Granted only 17 possible rebounds occurred on one end of the floor, but 35 occured on Hope's end of the floor.  If Hope getting one out of four possible rebounds on it's end of the floor isn't being dominated    I am curious what your
criteria for being dominated on the glass is?   

How many offensive boards do you expect a team to get?  Hope rebounded 1 out of 4 on its end of the floor, on the year they rebounded 32% of the available offensive rebounding opportunities.  For this game that would have been 11, they rebounded 9.........so 2 off.

On defense for the year Hope rebounded 69% of the available defensive boards, for this game that would be 11.8, they rebounded 11.

They didn't get dominated on the glass, they got dominated in FG shooting.

I've continued to lurk but usually have no reason to post.  But sac, thank you, for posting a good explanation of why rebounding statistics are often the most overrated statistic in the game.

Too often you hear commentators talk about a good offense rebounding team in a game when they couldn't hit the broad side of the barn and have just gotten a lot of opportunities for good bounces.  I like the statistic that you put together for rebounding efficiency.  I would love to see that put out for all teams as a much more accurate guide to good rebounding.  You would still anticipate the defensive team to rebound at a higher rate (they start most shots to the back of the offensive player, or the hoop side) but would standard be 70% and good teams higher?  I think that is a much better statistic than simply the number of rebounds.

[oldknight]

Thanks for the post, GoodKnight.  Sounds like Powell is excited to play for Calvin, and he could make an immediate impact right a way, as guards are needed after graduating Veldhouse and Smith, to 4 year varsity players.

As for the poll on top, I think it is safe to say that the coaches will probably pick Hope to win the league, after returning 4 starters (am I correct?). 

Oldknight has seen Powell play, and he's having trouble typing right now because his hands are vibrating with excitement at the prospect of this kid in maroon and gold.

GK might be using hyperbole here--but not by much. I first became aware of Powell when my best friend (a former All-MIAA first teamer) told me how impressed he was with Powell when he saw Bryan play in December. I watched Powell play last month and I have some opinions on his decision to become a Knight.

There are three great prep guards in West Michigan this year: Catholic Central's Duke Mondy (Providence), the much discussed VanDussen (still undecided), and Powell. I first saw Powell play last month--which was before I even knew he was on Calvin's radar screen--and I came away mighty impressed. He might be a shade below Mondy and VanDusssen, but only by the slimest of shades. Bryan is really, really good. He offers Calvin instant help in the backcourt. He has an exceptionally quick first step and is not one a dimensional scorer because he is equally adept at hitting the three ball and at slashing to the basket and finishing. Because of his footspeed he puts a lot of pressure on opposing defenses and he gets fouled often. This is very good news for Knight fans.

[GoKnights68]

Can Powell play the 2 spot?

Do you think he is good enough to make in impact on the varsity team immediately?

[oldknight]

Can Powell play the 2 spot?

Do you think he is good enough to make in impact on the varsity team immediately?

I think he could play either the 1 or the 2. I can't imagine Powell will spend one second on the JV roster and think it's likely he'll be a starter right away.

[GoKnights68]

Can Powell play the 2 spot?

Do you think he is good enough to make in impact on the varsity team immediately?

I think he could play either the 1 or the 2. I can't imagine Powell will spend one second on the JV roster and think it's likely he'll be a starter right away.

Good to hear.  While I personally still predict Hope to win the league, Calvin's starting line-up for Calvin will be respectfully good with (just my opinion of what it will be) Mantel, Veltema, Rodts, Salo, and Powell.  The advantage Hope will have is that will probably have a better bench than Calvin, but we'll see.

[realist]

FWIW:  Calvin this past year garnered just over 35% of potential offensive rebounds in their games.  They grabbed 75% of the potential defensive rebounds.  
Sac asks me "How many offensive boards do you expect a team to get?    Obviously everyone possible.  
 

[realist]

gk68:  I am not sure I agree with you on Hope having the "better bench" for next year.  When I look at their rosters for this season I see lots of strenght at guard, but a shortage (pun intended) when it comes to front line players.  Calvin may be weaker are guard, but if Schnyders, and Sytsma are back I give Calvin the edge up front. 

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I know FDF has a nice summary planned for all the Hope Seniors at some point.  But I have to jump the gun just to point a couple things out.

First is Jesse Reimink finished with 604 points on the season, incredibly this is the 2nd highest point total in Hope history.  His average per game is 20.8 which probably ranks about 9th or 10th on Hope's per game avg list.

Career wise Jesse ends up 13th on the all-time Hope scorers list with 1441, just 14 behind Stephen Cramer.

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I found this to just be interesting in so many ways, but if the 2006 Hope team ever gets together for a reunion of some kind, there will a total of 5 career 1,000 point scorers in the room from that team.  (not 6 like I said at dinner the other night)

Stephen Cramer  1,455
Jesse Reimink 1,441
Andy Phillips 1,200
Greg Immink  1,113
Marcus VanderHeide 1,085

Working on the summary - but I'm a bit confused.  I too have seen Jesse's points number listed at 1441, but according to both the MIAA and Hope archived stats, he scored 87, 270, 360, and 604 in his four years for a total of 1321. 

[goodknight]

Working on the summary - but I'm a bit confused.  I too have seen Jesse's points number listed at 1441, but according to both the MIAA and Hope archived stats, he scored 87, 270, 360, and 604 in his four years for a total of 1321. 

Yet it seems that he scored no fewer than 2,000 in his games against Calvin.

[AlwaysHope]

Thanks for the post, GoodKnight.  Sounds like Powell is excited to play for Calvin, and he could make an immediate impact right a way, as guards are needed after graduating Veldhouse and Smith, to 4 year varsity players.

As for the poll on top, I think it is safe to say that the coaches will probably pick Hope to win the league, after returning 4 starters (am I correct?). 

Actually, Hope is losing starting center Zach Osburn in addition to Jessie.  We hope that Andy Venema can step it up to replace these lost rebounds. 

[oldknight]

In case you were wondering what scholarship schools think about Powell's abilities, let me highlight this quote from today's Jane Bos' column:

Other schools that were interested, including some that offered Powell a full-ride scholarship, were Loyola-Chicago, Central Michigan, Ferris State, Northwood, Michigan Tech, Northern Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Cornerstone, Hope and Aquinas.

This announcement is quite a coup for KVS.

[Knightmare]

In case you were wondering what scholarship schools think about Powell's abilities, let me highlight this quote from today's Jane Bos' column:

Other schools that were interested, including some that offered Powell a full-ride scholarship, were Loyola-Chicago, Central Michigan, Ferris State, Northwood, Michigan Tech, Northern Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Cornerstone, Hope and Aquinas.

This announcement is quite a coup for KVS.

Sounds like great news for the Knights!  Hopefully this is only the start and can spur on some others to come join the start of an excellent freshman class.

Can we also hope that Josh Englsma makes a surprise announcement that he is coming out of retirment as well?  One can dream and hope. 

[sac]

Thanks for the post, GoodKnight.  Sounds like Powell is excited to play for Calvin, and he could make an immediate impact right a way, as guards are needed after graduating Veldhouse and Smith, to 4 year varsity players.

As for the poll on top, I think it is safe to say that the coaches will probably pick Hope to win the league, after returning 4 starters (am I correct?). 

Oldknight has seen Powell play, and he's having trouble typing right now because his hands are vibrating with excitement at the prospect of this kid in maroon and gold.

GK might be using hyperbole here--but not by much. I first became aware of Powell when my best friend (a former All-MIAA first teamer) told me how impressed he was with Powell when he saw Bryan play in December. I watched Powell play last month and I have some opinions on his decision to become a Knight.

There are three great prep guards in West Michigan this year: Catholic Central's Duke Mondy (Providence), the much discussed VanDussen (still undecided), and Powell. I first saw Powell play last month--which was before I even knew he was on Calvin's radar screen--and I came away mighty impressed. He might be a shade below Mondy and VanDusssen, but only by the slimest of shades. Bryan is really, really good. He offers Calvin instant help in the backcourt. He has an exceptionally quick first step and is not one a dimensional scorer because he is equally adept at hitting the three ball and at slashing to the basket and finishing. Because of his footspeed he puts a lot of pressure on opposing defenses and he gets fouled often. This is very good news for Knight fans.

These are mlive high school guru Stephen Bell's pre-season ranking of gaurds in the state.

Senior Guards
1. Mike Green 6-1 Saginaw
2. Ausin Harper 6-2 Grand Haven ---Western Michigan
3. Duke Mondy 6-3 Grand Rapids Catholic Central ---Providence
4. Alex Marcotullio 6-3 Warren De La Salle ---Northwestern
5. Willie Cruz 6-3 Macomb L'anse Creuse ---Eastern Kentucky
6. Korey VanDussen 6-2 Zeeland East
7. Shane Moreland 6-1 Flint Powers
8. Scott Rogers 6-4 Waterford Kettering
9. Demetrius Ford 5-10 Detroit Cody
10. Deangelo Haley 6-3 Detroit Central
11. Alex Lyle 6-3 Wayland Northwood
12. Joe Estrada 6-4 Grand Ledge
14. Deandre Upchurch 6-0 Flint Northwestern
14. Bryan Powell 6-1 Wyoming Park ---Calvin
15. Rashad Porter 6-0 Romulus

I've italicized Mondy and VanDussen.   

I'm pretty sure Logan Neil, Ryan Ross, Nate King and David Krombeen were ranked somewhere at their positions last year.  I think only Krombeen was a top 15 player at his position though..........that worked out well.

Kelvin Carter, Ty Tanis were certainly ranked 2 years ago.


#12 Joe Estrada is right down the road from me and there was some chatter in the paper about D1's looking at him a few weeks ago.

If you're on this list, you're usually a pretty good player for D3.

[goodknight]

This is how Inside Prep Sports ranks the top 10 point guards in Michigan:
BTW, they have Duke Mondy ranked No. 1 in the shooting guard category.

1. Samuel Burton 6'1 Oak Park
2. Delano Collins 6' Detroit Renaissance
3. Jeff Hines 6'4 Auburn Hills Avondale
4. Nate Robertson 6'3 Ann Arbor Pioneer
5. Demario Prince 5'7 Detroit Henry Ford
6. Andrew VanDierenDonck 6'5 Wyandotte
7. Austin Nichols 6' Lansing Catholic
8. Korey VanDussen 6' Zeeland East
9. Austin Anderson 6' Westland John Glenn
10. Bryan Powell 6' Wyoming Park

[oldknight]

These are mlive high school guru Stephen Bell's pre-season ranking of gaurds in the state.

Senior Guards
1. Mike Green 6-1 Saginaw
2. Ausin Harper 6-2 Grand Haven ---Western Michigan
3. Duke Mondy 6-3 Grand Rapids Catholic Central ---Providence
4. Alex Marcotullio 6-3 Warren De La Salle ---Northwestern
5. Willie Cruz 6-3 Macomb L'anse Creuse ---Eastern Kentucky
6. Korey VanDussen 6-2 Zeeland East
7. Shane Moreland 6-1 Flint Powers
8. Scott Rogers 6-4 Waterford Kettering
9. Demetrius Ford 5-10 Detroit Cody
10. Deangelo Haley 6-3 Detroit Central
11. Alex Lyle 6-3 Wayland Northwood
12. Joe Estrada 6-4 Grand Ledge
14. Deandre Upchurch 6-0 Flint Northwestern
14. Bryan Powell 6-1 Wyoming Park ---Calvin
15. Rashad Porter 6-0 Romulus

I've italicized Mondy and VanDussen.   

I'm pretty sure Logan Neil, Ryan Ross, Nate King and David Krombeen were ranked somewhere at their positions last year.  I think only Krombeen was a top 15 player at his position though..........that worked out well.

Kelvin Carter, Ty Tanis were certainly ranked 2 years ago.


#12 Joe Estrada is right down the road from me and there was some chatter in the paper about D1's looking at him a few weeks ago.

If you're on this list, you're usually a pretty good player for D3.

I saw Austin Harper (no. 2 on Bell's list) play once this year and I'm amazed he's ranked that high in the state. Admittedly I've seen Harper play only once and he didn't have a great game the night I was there (I think he was suffering the lingering effects of an ankle injury), but in my judgment, Powell is the better player. If so, KVS outrecruited Steve Hawkins.