MBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[sac]

Trine 85 Franklin 72   (.......or 82-75, which is what the individual scoring adds up to)

another big game for Fr. Scott Rogers, the 6-4 F from Waterford, MI scored 23 points on 9-10 from the floor to lead the Thunder .

[Happy Calvin Guy]

miaa.org stats still seem to be missing some data.....

[sac]

miaa.org stats still seem to be missing some data.....

Hope's are really messed up, on the team stat page they have Hope avg' 90 pts a game, even though they've topped 90 just once.   The point total adds up for all six games, but some of the stats seem to include only 5 games.

[OC_SID]

Yeah, it's missing Hope-Calvin round #1 stats ... I sent an email stating that they're wrong.

[northb]

Now a possible monkeywrench.   I've never been an official scorer, so am unsure, but aren't charging fouls also counted as turnovers?  However, I don't think taking a charge is credited as a steal - correct?  The fully correct formula might be A:[(TO-S)-CT], where CT is 'charges taken'.

Greg or anyone else knowledgable about college scoring rules?

(And, of course, the ultimate monkeywrench if the above is correct is that I can't ever recall seeing 'charges taken' on a stat sheet or box score!)

And let me add a tamarin-wrench (not quite as large as a monkey-wrench).  Should blocks be subtracted as well?? 

A block can be a form of a steal, depending on who gets the blocked ball

Probably not - unless there is a change of possession, in which case it is also a steal (I assume).  I was only looking at changes of possession.

Incidentally, by PM (so the source will have to identify himself if he wants credit! ) I got confirmation that my beliefs were correct: a charge IS a turnover, but taking a charge is not counted as a steal.  Alas, my final monkeywrench was also correct: no one (officially, at least) keeps track of charges taken.

That last is unfortunate.  Taking charges (as opposed to committing blocking fouls) is a very valuable (albeit dangerous and painful ) skill, which can wreak havoc on a team's penetration plans.

How about technical fouls, how are they scored in this equation?  And then would you include technicals induced?

[devossed]

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/Stats_Manuals/Basketball/2010EZ.pdf

some very interesting reading, especially because it's only 13 pages and you can navigate through the pertinent info rather quickly...

[Erm Schmigget]

Is there any way to figure out whether there have been any DIII games exceeding 39 points and 23 rebounds this year, men and/or beings?

DK-

I can tell you really want to talk about Carissa Verkaik.  The "wo-per-being's" discussion board is a great place for the topic.  I've started with a few toughts about her and Carrie Snikkers.  Let's see if some others would like to join us there.

[KnightSlappy]

Of course it's way too early for this, but Hope is the #1 team in the country based on (regional) RPI. Calvin comes in at #4 in the GL without even winning a game yet, thanks to Hope's win over Wheaton! I'm sure these numbers are subject to rapid change.

Reg	Rank	Team	WP	OWP	OOWP	RPI	Natl	Pool	Status	Reg	Over	Conf
GL	1	Hope	1.000	1.000	.609	.9022	1	A	(C)	2-0	4-2	MIAA
GL	2	Wilmington	1.000	.679	.604	.7402	3	A	(C)	6-0	7-1	OAC
GL	3	John Carroll	1.000	.679	.581	.7345	4	C	1	6-0	6-0	OAC
GL	4	Calvin	.000	1.000	.667	.6667	22	C	5	0-1	2-4	MIAA
GL	5	Mount Union	.600	.800	.451	.6627	25	C	7	3-2	3-3	OAC
GL	6	Penn State-Behrend	.800	.643	.521	.6517	31	C	9	4-1	4-1	AMCC
GL	7	Baldwin-Wallace	.500	.783	.507	.6429	36	C	12	3-3	3-3	OAC
GL	8	Olivet	.000	1.000	.559	.6397	39	C	14	0-1	2-3	MIAA
GL	9	Geneva	.750	.611	.578	.6377	40	N/A		3-1	5-3	PrAC

Pool A: Top ranked team in Pool A eligible conference
Pool B: Pool B eligible team
Pool C: At large candidate
Pool N/A: Not eligible for postseason participation

Status:
#: Rank in Pool (C or B)
(C): Pool A candidate, ranks within top 18 of Pool C
(C bubble): Pool A candidate, ranks within top 28 of Pool C
Blank: Ranks outside of the top 28 of Pool C

Sorry for the difficult formatting, I'm still learning the table code.

[Erm Schmigget]

Nice work KS.  Will you try to keep weekly updates posted here?

[KnightSlappy]

Nice work KS.  Will you try to keep weekly updates posted here?

Yeah, I'll probably post in the GL Region board, and the full rankings on the Pool C board.

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Of course it's way too early for this, but Hope is the #1 team in the country based on (regional) RPI. Calvin comes in at #4 in the GL without even winning a game yet, thanks to Hope's win over Wheaton! I'm sure these numbers are subject to rapid change.

Reg	Rank	Team	WP	OWP	OOWP	RPI	Natl	Pool	Status	Reg	Over	Conf
GL	1	Hope	1.000	1.000	.609	.9022	1	A	(C)	2-0	4-2	MIAA
GL	2	Wilmington	1.000	.679	.604	.7402	3	A	(C)	6-0	7-1	OAC
GL	3	John Carroll	1.000	.679	.581	.7345	4	C	1	6-0	6-0	OAC
GL	4	Calvin	.000	1.000	.667	.6667	22	C	5	0-1	2-4	MIAA
GL	5	Mount Union	.600	.800	.451	.6627	25	C	7	3-2	3-3	OAC
GL	6	Penn State-Behrend	.800	.643	.521	.6517	31	C	9	4-1	4-1	AMCC
GL	7	Baldwin-Wallace	.500	.783	.507	.6429	36	C	12	3-3	3-3	OAC
GL	8	Olivet	.000	1.000	.559	.6397	39	C	14	0-1	2-3	MIAA
GL	9	Geneva	.750	.611	.578	.6377	40	N/A		3-1	5-3	PrAC

Pool A: Top ranked team in Pool A eligible conference
Pool B: Pool B eligible team
Pool C: At large candidate
Pool N/A: Not eligible for postseason participation

Status:
#: Rank in Pool (C or B)
(C): Pool A candidate, ranks within top 18 of Pool C
(C bubble): Pool A candidate, ranks within top 28 of Pool C
Blank: Ranks outside of the top 28 of Pool C

Sorry for the difficult formatting, I'm still learning the table code.

Never too early for math

We get our first really big Great Lakes regional matchup this weekend when John Carroll 6-0 visits Wilmington 7-1 (6-0 in region).  Thats figures to be a big one in the OAC race.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

New poll is out - Hope falls from ORV 26 to ORV 27.  Carthage falls from 17 to 24.  Wheaton falls from 6 to 8. 

Completely ridiculous.  Wheaton (IMHO) was the 3rd best team I saw last weekend.

[KnightSlappy]

New poll is out - Hope falls from ORV 26 to ORV 27.  Carthage falls from 17 to 24.  Wheaton falls from 6 to 8. 

Completely ridiculous.  Wheaton (IMHO) was the 3rd best team I saw last weekend.

I am curious to know who you think was the best/worst.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Not a lot of separation between the teams, and I really didn't think about how to rank them 1-4.  I just know that Wheaton was not one of the best teams this weekend, and certainly is no top 10 or even 20 team.  If you forced me to rank them, I'd do it like this (just an honest opinion)

Hope/Carthage
Calvin/Wheaton

[KnightSlappy]

Not a lot of separation between the teams, and I really didn't think about how to rank them 1-4.  I just know that Wheaton was not one of the best teams this weekend, and certainly is no top 10 or even 20 team.  If you forced me to rank them, I'd do it like this (just an honest opinion)

Hope/Carthage
Calvin/Wheaton

You are right that they are all very close (only one game couldn't have gone either way). I also think you are right that Carthage and Hope were 1 and 2 and Calvin and Wheaton were 3 and 4.

If we start with the assumption that the 4 teams are "pretty close" talent wise; Hope had one unexpected positive result (a blowout) and so did Carthage (true road win). Calvin had 2 expected results (a close win and a close loss) and Wheaton had one unexpected negative result (a blowout). You could argue that Wheaton was the worst performing team of the weekend.

If you argue that Wheaton's loss was a road game, then at best they had 2 expected results, and you could still argue that they performed the worst of the weekend.