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On the Voisin issue, as to whether "you don't know what you have until he's gone," see:

http://miaa.org/mbb/stats/0506/0310howi.htm

That has to be about as brutal as it can get. How a 6'8" guy playing 30 minutes can't get an accidental rebound is astounding. If I remember correctly, a couple of those Wittenburg guys were some pretty big horses.

I only made the comment based on my perception of Hope fan's discontent with the current state of their front court. I don't know, maybe y'all wouldn't take him today.

[Erm Schmigget]

On the Voisin issue, as to whether "you don't know what you have until he's gone," see:

http://miaa.org/mbb/stats/0506/0310howi.htm

That has to be about as brutal as it can get. How a 6'8" guy playing 30 minutes can't get an accidental rebound is astounding. If I remember correctly, a couple of those Wittenburg guys were some pretty big horses.

I only made the comment based on my perception of Hope fan's discontent with the current state of their front court. I don't know, maybe y'all wouldn't take him today.

Voisin was the first name to come to my mind after HC's question.  I was at the game referenced here, and yes, Witt had 2 guys Voisin's size, both showing the kind of skill we (Hope) wished he would have.  Those 4 misses, if I recall, were all puppies that clanged off the front of the rim.  It was sickening to watch.

I think the reason we talk about Mantel as much as we do is that sometimes, a topic arises when someone comments on Mantel, we begin to discuss the topic, and we stick with Mantel for our examples.  When this happens, it's less about him and more about the topic...using him just happens to help frame the ideas we want to express.

For all that has been said about Mantel, with one look at his overall contributions, this year and previous, quantifiable and otherwise, I think we all would be happy to have him on any team we support.  That just makes him more fun to pick on for those of us who don't enjoy what he contributes.   

[Gregory Sager]

On the Voisin issue, as to whether "you don't know what you have until he's gone," see:

http://miaa.org/mbb/stats/0506/0310howi.htm

That has to be about as brutal as it can get. How a 6'8" guy playing 30 minutes can't get an accidental rebound is astounding. If I remember correctly, a couple of those Wittenburg guys were some pretty big horses.

I only made the comment based on my perception of Hope fan's discontent with the current state of their front court. I don't know, maybe y'all wouldn't take him today.

Voisin was the first name to come to my mind after HC's question.  I was at the game referenced here, and yes, Witt had 2 guys Voisin's size, both showing the kind of skill we (Hope) wished he would have.  Those 4 misses, if I recall, were all puppies that clanged off the front of the rim.

According to the box score, two of his four misses were three-point attempts. I take it those were Great Dane puppies.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

On the Voisin issue, as to whether "you don't know what you have until he's gone," see:

http://miaa.org/mbb/stats/0506/0310howi.htm

That has to be about as brutal as it can get. How a 6'8" guy playing 30 minutes can't get an accidental rebound is astounding. If I remember correctly, a couple of those Wittenburg guys were some pretty big horses.

I only made the comment based on my perception of Hope fan's discontent with the current state of their front court. I don't know, maybe y'all wouldn't take him today.

Voisin was the first name to come to my mind after HC's question.  I was at the game referenced here, and yes, Witt had 2 guys Voisin's size, both showing the kind of skill we (Hope) wished he would have.  Those 4 misses, if I recall, were all puppies that clanged off the front of the rim.

According to the box score, two of his four misses were three-point attempts. I take it those were Great Dane puppies.

Thanks y'all - I was actually having a good day until I had to relive that   

Bald-Wally discussion coming up next?

[realist]

E.S.  I think you sort of nailed it with our using Mantel as our example for a larger class of individuals. 
Actually when I used DVS as one of the examples of a player that got a lot of posts it really wasn't him so much as it was him as a representative of transfers in general. 
Darn it FDF:     I made a bet we could go through the whole season without someone mentioning "the game that shall not be mentioned" , and a Hope poster brings it up.

[Erm Schmigget]

On the Voisin issue, as to whether "you don't know what you have until he's gone," see:

http://miaa.org/mbb/stats/0506/0310howi.htm

That has to be about as brutal as it can get. How a 6'8" guy playing 30 minutes can't get an accidental rebound is astounding. If I remember correctly, a couple of those Wittenburg guys were some pretty big horses.

I only made the comment based on my perception of Hope fan's discontent with the current state of their front court. I don't know, maybe y'all wouldn't take him today.

Voisin was the first name to come to my mind after HC's question.  I was at the game referenced here, and yes, Witt had 2 guys Voisin's size, both showing the kind of skill we (Hope) wished he would have.  Those 4 misses, if I recall, were all puppies that clanged off the front of the rim.

According to the box score, two of his four misses were three-point attempts. I take it those were Great Dane puppies.

Dang it!  I knew I should have looked at that again!   

Voisin was one of those big men that could shoot the 3.  Not like an Overbeek, who pretty much stayed in the paint (except that one time in Alma...I think...again, not looking stuff up).  This frustrated some, because we had just come out of the Overbeek era when Voisin came along.  When you're 6'8", I think most people expect you to play Overbeek's style, not out at the perimeter.

The missed puppies were shared by many that night at Witt.  But there I go again, bringing up that game.  Thank goodness we could travel the following day over to DePauw and watch the women on their road to the championship.   

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Any word out of Albion how transfer Jennings is going to make his mark?  Joining the JV team or extra spot on varsity, or wait till next year and have 4 years of playing??

He's listed without a uniform number on the varsity roster, but not on the JV roster.

[sac]

Wednesday action.......all games 7:30 pm

Calvin at Trine.....I don't believe Calvin has ever lost at Trine, but most of them have been close

Alma at Adrian.....Alma began its season over again on Saturday after Jordan Redditt and a couple other players supposedly quit the team(all stilll on the roster).  These teams split last season

Olivet at Hope.....desperation time for Olivet, Hope won both games a year ago

Kzoo at Albion.....the first place battle no one saw coming.  Its the 2nd most played rivalry in the MIAA (behind Kzoo/Hope).......this is game #188

[Adrian Hoops Fan]

MIAA week #1 down and yet the league seems more uncertain than ever.

    Hope - not a typical start to the season and then starting 0-1 (all be it @ Calvin) it is unusual to see. They still have lots of talent and will come togather as the season goes
     Calvin - sub 500 non conference?   Calvin? not something that happens often but off to a 2-0 start
    Albion - lost a ton of experience. same gritty physical team but do they have what it takes to win in a wide open miaa
    Olivet - lots of talent, very tough non-conference schedule.   BUT 0-2 start in conference. yet they have probably the most unstoppable force in league in McClary
     Trine - not much of a feared team, but held in there against adrian & albion
    Kalamazoo - 1 & 10 non conference and then pulls off a 2-0 league start?
    Alma - Its Alma who the hell knows whats going on is redditt there or is he gone?  Always at the bottom of standings but has a say in who gets the 4, 5 & 6 seeds
And Adrian - Biggest question mark in the league. What exactly are they? Very young, a new coach, 500 record.  After seeing them play, I have seen that they are a gritty physical team that ealy in the season didn't have any rhythm.  It looks like Mosely has found his scoring touch but where is the supporting cast.

Very interesting. Lots of questions and time for the cream to rise to the top .  Even in a down year, the MIAA will provide lots of excitement. All I know, is I don't have much confidence at all in picking any teams in this race.

[almcguirejr]

Wednesday action.......all games 7:30 pm

Calvin at Trine.....I don't believe Calvin has ever lost at Trine, but most of them have been close

Calvin lost at Trine in 2007. 68-58

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Wednesday action.......all games 7:30 pm

Calvin at Trine.....I don't believe Calvin has ever lost at Trine, but most of them have been close

Calvin lost at Trine in 2007. 68-58

And with tonight being Calvin's first away game of the entire 09-10 season, I wonder if that will have any impact?

[Happy Calvin Guy]

Wednesday action.......all games 7:30 pm

Calvin at Trine.....I don't believe Calvin has ever lost at Trine, but most of them have been close

Calvin lost at Trine in 2007. 68-58

And with tonight being Calvin's first away game of the entire 09-10 season, I wonder if that will have any impact?

Calvin has played two games in Holland and three in Arizona.  They may officially go in the books as neutral sites but we have had 5 games away from Van Noord so far this year. 

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Wednesday action.......all games 7:30 pm

Calvin at Trine.....I don't believe Calvin has ever lost at Trine, but most of them have been close

Calvin lost at Trine in 2007. 68-58

And with tonight being Calvin's first away game of the entire 09-10 season, I wonder if that will have any impact?

Calvin has played two games in Holland and three in Arizona.  They may officially go in the books as neutral sites but we have had 5 games away from Van Noord so far this year. 

True, but those are still quite different than an away game.

- For the two games in Holland, you might as well say they were home games, given the team's familiarity with the location and the overwhelming edge in crowd support.

- For the games in Arizona - since Calvin and all the teams they played were far, far from home, and playing in front of small crowds (289 in the first game is the only attendance listed) I would assume these were truly neutral games.  If I had to guess, I would suspect that Calvin probably had the crowd advantage their as well (Calvin tends to travel fairly well).

Tonight, the Knights will face, for the first time this season, a team who didn't have to travel to the game, is in their own locker room, in the gym they practice in, with a home crowd (not that Trine typically has a great turnout - avg 265 for a home game).  Will that make a difference - maybe not.  I just think it's interesting, since it's nearly 2 months since games began, and this Knight team has not had to face this yet.

[realist]

AHF:  Glad you posted.  Always nice to hear how some others are viewing the MIAA race this year.  The key thing about the race this year is defending home court, and failing to do that really causes problems.  Albion with 2 wins on the road is actually in the catbird seat if they can defend home court.
Looking at Calvin's 7-6 reecord, and how the MIAA has started they have defended home court, and my impression is they will do reasonably well on the road.  I don't view Trine as a tough "home court"  not like an Albion, Olivet, Adrian or even Kalamazoo.   Winning on the road at Hope is the hardest venue.

[Intangir]

- For the games in Arizona - since Calvin and all the teams they played were far, far from home, and playing in front of small crowds (289 in the first game is the only attendance listed) I would assume these were truly neutral games.  If I had to guess, I would suspect that Calvin probably had the crowd advantage their as well (Calvin tends to travel fairly well).

My parents live in Phoenix and went to the game Calvin won in OT, I'm pretty sure I remember them saying that Calvin definitely had more fans (though I suspect it was more like 'Calvin actually had fans' than any real big number of people).